Where are games like Elite!!!
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SoundTrak




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PostPosted: Wed, 11th Oct 2006 21:30    Post subject: Where are games like Elite!!!
And i mean properly like Elite. Free-roaming game, endless. Trading, upgrading ships, building a reputation, walking around on planets! None of the on-line subscription, pay-to-play for the rest of your lives. I game, you could pick up at any time. When Elite was out, games had such a promising future. Now, just going backwards!! What is happening!!
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PostPosted: Wed, 11th Oct 2006 21:32    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Wed, 11th Oct 2006 21:44    Post subject:
I'll have to give it a try. Anyone got a person rating for this? Or comparision with Elite?
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PostPosted: Wed, 11th Oct 2006 22:09    Post subject:
The short answer is - there are no games like Elite any more. Elite was stunning because there was nothing else like it at the time. Personally I thought Frontier was even better than Elite.

X3, mentioned above. Is pretty good, but the X games generally have horrible physics. Very simplistic flight model and the acting is so bad that it prevented me from getting into the game. Plus points are the presentation, economic model is good and you can run your own fleet of ships and manufacturing stations.

Darkstar One - looked good until I got the full version. Was unable to get it running smoothly even on minimum detail. It has really nice graphics and a slightly nicer flight model than X.

Edge of Chaos - is a bit old now but still playable. The economic model is a bit rubbish (though more advanced than the original Elite series). Proper newtonian physics and a nicely crafted universe to play in.


I think that's about the lot Sad

Edit - I lost a big chunk of my life to Eve-Online and if I didn't have an addictive personality I would sign up again tomorrow. Total freedom within the game universe, good community etc and skills don't require endless grinding. They used to do free one-week trials.


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PostPosted: Wed, 11th Oct 2006 22:13    Post subject:
kasis wrote:
The short answer is - there are no games like Elite any more. Elite was stunning because there was nothing else like it at the time. Personally I thought Frontier was even better than Elite.

X3, mentioned above. Is pretty good, but the X games generally have horrible physics. Very simplistic flight model and the acting is so bad that it prevented me from getting into the game. Plus points are the presentation, economic model is good and you can run your own fleet of ships and manufacturing stations.

Darkstar One - looked good until I got the full version. Was unable to get it running smoothly even on minimum detail. It has really nice graphics and a slightly nicer flight model than X.

Edge of Chaos - is a bit old now but still playable. The economic model is a bit rubbish (though more advanced than the original Elite series). Proper newtonian physics and a nicely crafted universe to play in.


I think that's about the lot Sad


I am with kasis here. Fronter was the best game from the series, and there is no game as ELITE out there at the moment.

You could try Freelancer.I think it's best ELITE wanabe game at the moment.
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PostPosted: Wed, 11th Oct 2006 22:19    Post subject:
SoundTrak thats Nforce the alieniest forum on the hole wide web

anyway back to your question ... the X saga are great games but they are to buggy and the hole space sim imperium is to slow for me ... and X3 is fine but still too slow ... i don`t wanna spend my hole real life to complete a virtual life in a game ... thats just crazy ....

Another game i can recomend you is Freelancer or DarkStar-One this games are hated by fans of real Sci-fi becoz the paste is too fast , too action like but i love them ... like i said before i hate to spend my hole life infront a monitor ... don`t get me wrong i love long games but not too slow ...

anyway you can even find some good freeware space-sims like Star Wraith or others try http://www.reloaded.org/ to find those


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PostPosted: Wed, 11th Oct 2006 22:34    Post subject:
Thx guys, great feedback. Elite, a good game, but me too much preferred Frontier!!! Played it for years, dream about all day when i was a kid. A shame nothing still ives up to the standard. Thx guys
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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Oct 2006 09:32    Post subject:
Elite was my favorite game on C64 at the time, and unfortunately it hasnt found a good successor.I agree that Frontier1,2 added somthing graphic wise, but lost some of its magic in process.
The game was about discovering space, exploration. there were few quests,few mysteries to solve, profit could be made from economy.
Youre traveling in hyperspace from a system to another and suddenly you get caught into an hyperspace trap: you're nowhere, no indication of where you are, then strange alien motherships (like goa'ould ships from stargate) shows up into your radar and start pumping out a myriad of fighters to kill you. if you survive you'll get warped back to your original system..or sometimes get warped at the other end of the milky way ...
That kind of thrill I never met again for a space sim anymore.

X series caught some Elite fans, I tried hard to like their games, but the combat system is missing a lot, and they insist way to much in economy for my taste.
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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Oct 2006 09:57    Post subject:
Elite IV: The Next Encounter
availability: Due for release on 30/03/2007
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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Oct 2006 12:11    Post subject:
snop1050 wrote:
Elite IV: The Next Encounter
availability: Due for release on 30/03/2007


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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Oct 2006 12:14    Post subject:
http://www.play.com/Games/PC/GENBRW/3-/680942/Elite_IV_The_Next_Encounter/Product.html


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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Oct 2006 12:48    Post subject:
sequel has been planned from 1999 Laughing
http://www.avault.com/news/displaynews.asp?story=11291999-91658

Elite Nuk'em Forever anyone? Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Oct 2006 13:47    Post subject:
I preferred Privateer as well.

X:3 is.... not Elite. It's not really very good either. As a game it stinks basically (and this is coming from someone who bought it and spent ages reading online guides and so forth trying to find the FUN in playing it. Alas I was unsuccessful)

Another game you could try is HardWar - that wasn't bad, it wasn't great, but it wasn't bad.


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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Oct 2006 13:53    Post subject:
its crazy. too think the universe was 800kb, a game that bought so much to me, still cant be be remade, even with all the fancy graphics, dvds, surround sound, gigabytes and gigaherz, futuristic world we live in today. goes to show, game developers are being pressured more than ever, to reach deadlines, hurrying o finish games, cuz now its a fierce competition these days.
the old days, people were pushing to bounderies when making games, on themselves and the computer itself. publishers n developers need them sort of people in their team, not a guy/gal who got 20 degrees in graphics, just because he wanted a job that paid 50,000 a year.
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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Oct 2006 13:58    Post subject:
i agree you with you soundtrak. the geniuses game devs stopped developping long ago, leaving behind them a trail of classic games that constitute for me the golden age of gaming. sigh..

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13. How come there are eight galaxies with thousands of planets in only 22K of memory?

The star systems in Elite were all generated pseudo-randomly. In explanation imagine a number sequence that looks random - like adding the last two numbers together, and only keeping the last two digits. You need to choose two numbers to start with, called the seed. Choosing 12 and 34 would give a sequence 12 34 46 80 26 06 32 38 70 08 ... for example. This particular method is known as a Fibbonachi sequence after the guy that first thought of it. There are better techniques, but the principle is the same. Such a sequence can then be used to give the planetary names, their coordinates, sizes, type of economy etc. with the software designed to rule out silly options. Hence the only storage is the "seed" - which for Elite was six bytes for each galaxy, but in the interests of saving memory (yes - six bytes was considered a lot) each galaxy used the same seed rotated by one (this is like dividing by two and copying the carry into the top binary digit).

(There were originally 2^48 Galaxies (yes that's 280,000,000,000,000 odd galaxies) but David Johnson-Davies of Acornsoft rightly thought that was just plain silly!)


http://www.frontier.co.uk/games/elite/faq.html
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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Oct 2006 14:01    Post subject:
screenshot of BBC version of Elite Very Happy

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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Oct 2006 14:07    Post subject:
claaic! remember seeing Frontier the 1st time! Most amazing thing I ever saw
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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Oct 2006 14:21    Post subject:
This subject has been discussed so many times before. What we usually come up with is that Freelancer with mods is the closest you can come at the moment.

But to be honest, download Frontier and play it again. It still rocks Smile



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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Oct 2006 14:23    Post subject:
Mos DEF!! Play it til this day. Its weird tho, Its like I KNOW the universe like the back of my hand. LOL
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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Oct 2006 15:58    Post subject:
What was the game that you could fly around like Elite and then land on the planets and travel around by car or foot? I don't think it was Frontier, but it has been awhile.
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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Oct 2006 16:39    Post subject:
I played elite when i was very young, one of the first games i remember playin on my BBC. I had to rely on my older bro to get me a ship with docking computer coz it was too difficult for me otherwise. then i remember getting the disk version with extra ships, woohoo Razz will always be a classic for me and nothing has really come close, 'cept mebbie freelancer.
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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Oct 2006 18:36    Post subject:
This looks pretty Shweet! http://www.spaceforce2.com/gallery3.aspx


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