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 Posted: Fri, 3rd Nov 2006 12:42 Post subject: The future belongs to Islam |
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| Quote: | | The Muslim world has youth, numbers and global ambitions. The West is growing old and enfeebled, and lacks the will to rebuff those who would supplant it. It's the end of the world as we've known it. An excerpt from 'America Alone'. |
| Quote: | You might formulate it like this:
Age + Welfare = Disaster for you;
Youth + Will = Disaster for whoever gets in your way.
Islam has youth and will, Europe has age and welfare. |
| Quote: | In a few years, as millions of Muslim teenagers are entering their voting booths, some European countries will not be living formally under sharia, but -- as much as parts of Nigeria, they will have reached an accommodation with their radicalized Islamic compatriots, who like many intolerant types are expert at exploiting the "tolerance" of pluralist societies. In other Continental countries, things are likely to play out in more traditional fashion, though without a significantly different ending. Wherever one's sympathies lie on Islam's multiple battle fronts the fact is the jihad has held out a long time against very tough enemies. If you're not shy about taking on the Israelis and Russians, why wouldn't you fancy your chances against the Belgians and Spaniards?
"We're the ones who will change you," the Norwegian imam Mullah Krekar told the Oslo newspaper Dagbladet in 2006. "Just look at the development within Europe, where the number of Muslims is expanding like mosquitoes. Every Western woman in the EU is producing an average of 1.4 children. Every Muslim woman in the same countries is producing 3.5 children." As he summed it up: "Our way of thinking will prove more powerful than yours." |
http://www.macleans.ca/culture/books/article.jsp?content=20061023_134898_134898
The article is really long. |
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Nov 2006 13:50 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Nov 2006 13:58 Post subject: |
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| JeanPerrier wrote: | | who wrote it? a muslim? |
| Quote: | | He is of mixed Jewish and Catholic descent on his father's side and Belgian Catholic on his mother's side; he was baptized a Catholic, confirmed an Anglican, and currently attends a small rural American Baptist Church. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Steyn
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ChinUp
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Nov 2006 14:31 Post subject: |
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This only suggests to us all that we remove any connection between organized religion & governing policies .. its becoming painfully obvious that any link between organized religion & governing is fraught with nonsense ..
Get the religion out of courtrooms .. government officials should not be encouraged to pay any allegiance to religous groups .. & laws needs to be written up that prevent any religous group having any superiority over other religions ..
Our courts & government administration needs to function outside of religous influence or preference .. religions need to be regarded as cult movements that are free to practice & gather so long as they don't make any attempt to influence people who are not members of their religious movement ..
in short keep your religion out of government & public affairs .. this way any religious movement to overthrow government & or public administration .. can be nipped in the bud while its small as a result of legislation that carries penalties for attempting to control & or influence others via religous influence .. ie no more preaching in the streets or in the media ..
The people need to have to go & look for religous organizations .. we don't need religous organizations coming to the people ..
"Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in & out of favor." ~ Frost
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Nov 2006 14:48 Post subject: |
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i sure hope not.
The future belongs to no religion.
infact, fuck religion. Its a bad thing that caused to much problems in the history of the world.
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Nov 2006 15:35 Post subject: |
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omfg, macleans was recently taken over by a fucking retard of an editor...
| Quote: | | Whyte, a former editor at the National Post, is seen to have taken the magazine in a more conservative direction |
so a former editor at an Asper family shitrag (read: paper must be pro-Israel) is up to the same tricks here 
| Quote: | Maclean's magazine goes over-the-top with racist, provocative story
October 27, 2006
Derrick O'Keefe
For some time now, Maclean's has been morphing from a rather staid mouthpiece of Canada's elites into a shrill, increasingly offensive and downright racist publication.
This week's issue of Maclean's (October 23-30, 2006), however, renders obsolete such corny little pokes in the eye at what has become a glossy weekly of hate mongering. The cover and accompanying story, "Why the future belongs to Islam," written by Mark Steyn, is an overtly racist piece of propaganda.
Before I briefly describe the putrid "thesis" of the article, a description of the cover picture is in order. The dark, ominous image features a background mass of people entirely covered in full black face veil. In the foreground, a young pre-teenaged girl -- the only one with her face uncovered -- looks up with a dark menacing stare. The subheading on the cover hints at Steyn's argument: "The Muslim world has youth, numbers and global ambition. The West is old, barren and exhausted."
The fear mongering rolls out from there, barren of logic and exhausting all the old racist notions imaginable. Steyn asserts that the "Muslim World" -- which is defined, of course, to "other" even and especially those of Muslim faith who live within and/or are citizens of the "western" world -- represents a menace that threatens to overcome good, non-Muslim (though he doesn't identify Christian specifically), "western civilization". Although the article focuses on the influx of Muslim populations into Europe, the fear mongering is obviously designed to be universal. Europe, Steyn laments, is "too enfeebled to resist its remorseless transformation into Eurabia..."
Steyn's language mirrors some of the far-right rhetoric warning of a "reconquista" of the United States by Mexicans and other Latin Americans (much of the southwest United States was, after all, stolen through war from Mexico). This alone makes his writing despicable. Seen within the "War on Terror" hysteria aimed at criminalizing Muslims in general, the rise of Islamophobia fanned to help at once justify war abroad and repression at home, and the particular context of the ongoing outrage at the infamous cartoons, Steyn's article must be understood as a deliberate, hateful and provocative act.
Some brief excerpts should suffice to illustrate the nature of the article, beginning with the author's adoringly absurd attempt to identify the "social democratic welfare state" as a cause of terrorism and societal decline.
-"Big government is a national security threat: it increases your vulnerability to threats like Islamism, and makes it less likely you'll be able to summon the will to rebuff it."
-"The children and grandchildren of those fascists and republicans who waged a bitter civil war for the future of Spain now shrug when a bunch of foreigners blow up their capital." [The fascists won that "civil war", given their superior foreign backing from Germany and Italy (Steyn doesn't tell us which side he'd have been on), and the 2004 ousting of their Iraq War supporting government is among the Spanish people's greatest victories since the end of Franco.]
-"In the old days the white man settled the Indian territory. Now the followers of the badland's radical imams settle the metropolis. And another difference: In the old days, the Injuns had bows and arrows and the cavalry had rifles. In today's Indian territory, countries that can't feed their own people have nuclear weapons." [I think Steyn just converted the North Koreans to Islam. He also unwittingly confirmed what leftists and indigenous activists are always told to stop bringing up: That there is a direct connection between the racist, colonialist genesis of today's imperial centres and their racist, neo-colonialist war-making in the hinterlands/"Injun territory" of today.]
-"Of course, not all Muslims support terrorists -- though enough of them share their basic objectives (the wish to live under Islamic law in Europe and North America) to function wittingly or otherwise as the 'good cop' end of an Islamic good cop/bad cop routine. But, at the very minimum, this fast-moving demographic transformation provides a huge comfort zone for the jihad to move around in."
Anyway, I wish I could conclude by saying that it is only the wing-nut editorial board of Maclean's we need to worry about, but sadly it's getting harder all the time to distinguish the Maclean's/National Post "bad cop" from the Globe and Mail "good cop" in their right-wing routine.
In terms of the future belonging to Islam, let us hope that the future belongs to people of all faiths, ethnicities, and backgrounds, who will learn to live together on our fragile planet in equality, genuine sustainability and justice. We might also wish for a future where the peoples of the Middle East and Central Asia, in particular, will no longer have to live under the gun of wars of occupation and resource-theft. Surely the future, in fact, can and should belong to the world's poor majority, so long excluded, marginalized, scorned, criminalized, and blamed for their own oppression.
The good news is that Maclean's, the National Post and the rest of the corporate print media are in sharp decline, their influence ever waning, albeit too gradually. The more determined we are in developing and popularizing critical, independent media and in organizing against empire-building and racism in all its forms, the sooner Maclean's will belong to the past, and the sooner the future will belong to all of us. |
http://www.sevenoaksmag.com/commentary/macleans.html
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no religion ftw indeed.
it's been said all the conflicts around the world happen due to religions..
i don't believe god - which is a good thing, i believe in myself
yes
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Nov 2006 17:20 Post subject: |
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| cnZ wrote: | no religion ftw indeed.
it's been said all the conflicts around the world happen due to religions..
i don't believe god - which is a good thing, i believe in myself |
here we go .. you know this is how religions convince government not to downgrade religions to cult movements .. religions will say nobody will believe in god if religions don't get to jam there private agendas down peoples throats .. via religous texts in courtrooms, classrooms .. public preaching & religous definitions for god in the dictionary ..
think about it like this .. god is to organized religion .. like food is to cooks .. just because you take away the mass produced offerings of food by professional cooks .. does not mean to say people wont eat any more .. all it means is people will prepare food in there own way .. rather than the way professional cooks have been dictating food should be prepared ..
believing in god is like eating .. some people eat in food chains called churches .. other people cook it up in their own way .. @ home ..
Obviously profesional religions don't want people to be believing in god in there own way .. it shuts them out .. ruins there monopoly on god .. but frankly thats tuff .. because the religious business people no longer serve any use in modern society .. nobody wants to go to church any more ..
"Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in & out of favor." ~ Frost
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Anyone that uses religion to move a political agenda has questionable faith. Does not matter, Islamic or Christian. The guys at the top sit pretty with money & power, two things that are (in my opinion) an affront on God. Heck, some of those so called religious leaders probably start to believe they are God!
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Nov 2006 17:49 Post subject: |
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Quantity > Quality
I dont think so
And yea religion is stupid, but denying its place in world history would be stupid to.
Edit: if we look a the old muslim societies did women have any rights there ? because if they want to restore those societies in the modern europe i could imagine alot of muslim women would be against it and use their voting rights.
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Nov 2006 18:47 Post subject: |
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I vote no.
Squirrely: Now come on y'all. We can't waste time arguing. There could still be survivors out there. We need to hunt them down, and kill them.
Beary: How about we kill them, and then rape their bodies so we can use their blood as lubricant.
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Nov 2006 19:12 Post subject: |
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Poor young muslims vs Rich Western Countries... Not even in their dream.
We will pwn them in no time. I'm against war, but if a muslim country declares war on mine, I will enlist directly to protect my country against what I consider the worst threat against myself my people.
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Nov 2006 19:46 Post subject: |
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Why people divide this conflict in "us" and "them" continue to amaze me.
"Why don't you zip it, Zipfero?" - fraich3
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| Mutantius wrote: | | Why people divide this conflict in "us" and "them" continue to amaze me. |
indeed .. if there is any us & them its .. those who support organized religion influencing government, law & people intentionally or via not being willing to appose it .. & those who don't want organized religions influencing government, law & people + aren’t afraid to openly appose it ..
"Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in & out of favor." ~ Frost
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| Posted: Sat, 4th Nov 2006 03:46 Post subject: |
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| Mutantius wrote: | | Why people divide this conflict in "us" and "them" continue to amaze me. |
Agreed
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FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR.
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Religion is dying out slowly but surley, even among the muslims. Technology is taking over. If you look at numbers, the amount of people that follow a religion have dwindled quite alot in the past 100 years.
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| Pizda2 wrote: | | Religion is dying out slowly but surley, even among the muslims. Technology is taking over. If you look at numbers, the amount of people that follow a religion have dwindled quite alot in the past 100 years. |
I can't speak for other religions, but the fact is that Islam is on the rise, more so in the last couple of years. |
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| Pizda2 wrote: | | Religion is dying out slowly but surley, even among the muslims. Technology is taking over. If you look at numbers, the amount of people that follow a religion have dwindled quite alot in the past 100 years. |
I completely disagree with that. I think religion is on the rise. Plus true believers of religion do have more kids. All 3 major religions(christian being Roman Catholic) do not recognise birth control.
Compu said Islam is raising, I believe that. Christianity is on the rise too. Just take a good look at the states. Even here, every block has at least one church and the parking lots are always full on Sundays. Churches are a bit sneaky too the way they convert people. They like home in on the poor. They have all these food programs, kids clothes programs run by Christian volunteers. It is a good thing to help people, but these people they help feel obligated to the church. They want to be considered 'good' so they attend services. They give what money they can but if they can''t afford to donate money then they donate their time.
I had a girlfriend who had the father of her 2 children (1 under 1 yr) walk out on her. I paid her hydro that month, some food. She used one of these church food programs. They put a ton of pressure on her to join their church. It was their Hip Hop for food program. Take about sucking in the 'inner city'
I even had this women tring to get me to come for dinner at her church.
I think more people than we think are just not able to comprehend the complex life around them, they know nothing about science, lack education and need someone to tell them what to do, how to act, what to believe, give them strength so they look to religion.
You know what I think is such bullshit, someone can murder 10 people, go to confession, and all is well because they are still on their way to heaven
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| Posted: Sat, 4th Nov 2006 22:29 Post subject: |
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Islam
-easy to get in, hard to get out
Sounds like Nazi groups in Norway, lol.
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