[XBOX360] Refresh Rate
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Mortibus




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PostPosted: Sun, 28th Jan 2007 01:50    Post subject: [XBOX360] Refresh Rate
will there be patch that let's u change RR coz 60hz is a bit crappy using monitor specialy CRT
anyone?
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PostPosted: Sun, 28th Jan 2007 11:23    Post subject:
No, either your monitor supports 60hz or it don't. It cannot be changed with a software patch. And games are either made for 50 or 60.


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Weedo




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PostPosted: Sun, 28th Jan 2007 11:35    Post subject:
Every monitor supports 60 hz but such a low refresh rate screams for a TFT monitor and makes all the VGA bugs/problems on a TFT even more unexplainable.
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Mortibus




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PostPosted: Sun, 28th Jan 2007 12:59    Post subject:
Parallax_ wrote:
No, either your monitor supports 60hz or it don't. It cannot be changed with a software patch. And games are either made for 50 or 60.


my monitor TFT supports 75hz and CRT 85hz, suxx they didn't made higher rr for monitors on regular tv it's unnoticable but on CRT it's flickering like hell Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Sun, 28th Jan 2007 13:16    Post subject:
Oh shit, I was thinking of tv-monitors, not CRTs Razz


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PostPosted: Sun, 28th Jan 2007 13:27    Post subject:
cant say its noticable on my 21" crt....yes i would use higher refresh for pc but not on console...u dont notice the rr on tv....or on hdtv over comp...
as i said really really cant notice on my crt with the 360...have 2 inputs, pc on one (1280x1024x120) & 360 on other (1280x1024x60)....if i drop pc rr to 60 then i really notice it on desktop but not during games


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Weedo




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PostPosted: Sun, 28th Jan 2007 16:31    Post subject:
Maybe you don't notice it but it's still not good for your eyes! Many people even get a headache when they sit in front of a CRT computer monitor with 60 hz refresh rate for a long time.
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Mortibus




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PostPosted: Mon, 29th Jan 2007 13:40    Post subject:
Weedo wrote:
Maybe you don't notice it but it's still not good for your eyes! Many people even get a headache when they sit in front of a CRT computer monitor with 60 hz refresh rate for a long time.


well i can play straight for 2 hours on normal TV without headaches,but if i play on CRT for at least 1 hour i feel like shit

on TFT there is absolutely no difference between 60hz and 75hz, no flickering at all
so here u go buy at least 19" WS TFT, avoid CRT's at all cost Smile
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Subander




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PostPosted: Wed, 31st Jan 2007 23:05    Post subject:
Yep CRT monitors flicker in 60hz because they are progressive (60 flashes per second), especially white can be really flickery.

TFT's arent updated by flash refresh (the LCD backlight does not turn on and off in the same way) but by merely changing each pixel (and its three subpixels) as needed, if needed. TFT's only flicker (on videocamera) when the backlight flickers to a set frequencey (think fluorescent tube bulbs). On TFT's the refresh rate can be thought of as "maximum frames per second" instead of amount of flicker.


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PostPosted: Wed, 31st Jan 2007 23:36    Post subject:
and 4:3 suxx big time for x360, coz most of the games don't have FS support and u get this black stripes, it's maybe ok to watch some WS movies/videos but while playing games u loosing a lot especialy if it's small 15,17"
time to get some WS 22" at least, coz those LCD TV's is twise expensive only becoz they have TV decoder and remote control Neutral
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PostPosted: Tue, 6th Feb 2007 21:15    Post subject:
do you use an origanil ms soft vga cable, i had a lot of flickering probs when i was using a third party cable on my 17inch lcd, i just bought an 22inc widescreen lcd, tell u wot though i think only way to get the best out of the 360 is to get a hd tv, even on my 22 inc lcd, the games look good but with lcds i think, you seen to get an foggy effect,
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PostPosted: Tue, 6th Feb 2007 22:47    Post subject:
ezzzy wrote:
do you use an origanil ms soft vga cable, i had a lot of flickering probs when i was using a third party cable on my 17inch lcd, i just bought an 22inc widescreen lcd, tell u wot though i think only way to get the best out of the 360 is to get a hd tv, even on my 22 inc lcd, the games look good but with lcds i think, you seen to get an foggy effect,


tried both original and tp ones
and yes i guess u need hdtv to realy enjoy the picture
i got back to normal tv coz it does look a bit blury on tft, that analogue cable just won't cut it Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Wed, 7th Feb 2007 01:35    Post subject:
The 360's VGA output is, as a hifi-person, very washed out in colors and contrast. It's like maxing out the brightness and lowering contrast to half on your normal TV.

Some people dont mind but I do and thats why I use component to my HDTV. I'd like the extra resolution of VGA (no overscan = more pixels visible) but its too washed out.

MS could patch it in a future update (they already adjusted it a tiny bit last year) but it might even be a hardware problem not fixable through software.
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