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 Posted: Tue, 3rd Jul 2007 09:51 Post subject: In Game Advertising (Including Quake Wars.) |
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In Game Ads
Quake Wars is prob going to be a culprit this as well (Their using the company "Massive") as they already got place holders set up in the only map were able to play it in.
Articles and comments about in-game advertising in Quake Wars:
CVG
Blue's News
Shack News
Joystiq
Some funny "spoofs" about it lol...
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Surray
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| Posted: Tue, 3rd Jul 2007 09:54 Post subject: |
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I wouldn't mind ingame advertising if it has a good side.. like a full MMO that has ingame advertising instead of a monthly fee, or games with ingame advertising costing only 25$, things like that.
But if everything stays the same AND we get bombarded with commercials while playing the game I'd probably feel very annoyed.
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| Posted: Tue, 3rd Jul 2007 10:52 Post subject: |
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i think in-game advertising is pathetic. WE are paying full price for the game, ON TOP of advertisers paying developers to put their adverts in... its like buying a dvd and getting adverts in it... it wouldnt be bad if game prices were lower as a result of being subsidised by advertisers, but this just feels like absolute greed, and i think if it goes unchecked it could turn out to be a major issue in the future...
not saying it damages the gameplay or necessarily the experience, i just see it as insulting, a real slap in the face, to be bombarded by advertising in a game i payed for...just feels really low and dirty..
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| Posted: Tue, 3rd Jul 2007 10:59 Post subject: |
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The thing is..with BF2142, the game installed adware/spyware on the computer to send home what your looking at so they could monitor your "interests", if they include the spyware with the game, I won't be buying it even after all this time I've waited so much for it. I can stomache the ads since it brings money if to the devs to continuously support the game like EA doesn't, but installing BS on my computer that's gunna send shit out, fuck that.
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| Posted: Tue, 3rd Jul 2007 11:00 Post subject: |
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| chiv wrote: | | i think in-game advertising is pathetic. WE are paying full price for the game, ON TOP of advertisers paying developers to put their adverts in... its like buying a dvd and getting adverts in it... it wouldnt be bad if game prices were lower as a result of being subsidised by advertisers, but this just feels like absolute greed, and i think if it goes unchecked it could turn out to be a major issue in the future... |
If you have read interviews with the developers, they are putting the advertisement in so that they can fund post-launch stuff, such as patches.
http://bluesnews.com/cgi-bin/board.pl?action=viewthread&threadid=78662 |
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| Posted: Tue, 3rd Jul 2007 11:32 Post subject: |
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| Parallax_ wrote: | | chiv wrote: | | i think in-game advertising is pathetic. WE are paying full price for the game, ON TOP of advertisers paying developers to put their adverts in... its like buying a dvd and getting adverts in it... it wouldnt be bad if game prices were lower as a result of being subsidised by advertisers, but this just feels like absolute greed, and i think if it goes unchecked it could turn out to be a major issue in the future... |
If you have read interviews with the developers, they are putting the advertisement in so that they can fund post-launch stuff, such as patches.
http://bluesnews.com/cgi-bin/board.pl?action=viewthread&threadid=78662 |
Patches and bug fixing support should be free with the 50 euro you pay for it.
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| Posted: Tue, 3rd Jul 2007 11:34 Post subject: |
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| Praetori wrote: | | Patches and bug fixing support should be free with the 50 euro you pay for it. |
Not all developers are in a financial situation to support that. Also, it's not the same as EA who are just pimping ads cause they are greedy. |
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| Posted: Tue, 3rd Jul 2007 12:01 Post subject: |
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| Parallax_ wrote: | | Praetori wrote: | | Patches and bug fixing support should be free with the 50 euro you pay for it. |
Not all developers are in a financial situation to support that. Also, it's not the same as EA who are just pimping ads cause they are greedy. |
Not all, no. But it should be limited to indy games and such, those that usually already have a reduced initial purchasing fee.
ID games and EA, though? They should be able to fix bugs with the money we paid 'em.
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| Posted: Tue, 3rd Jul 2007 12:17 Post subject: |
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| Praetori wrote: | | ID games and EA, though? They should be able to fix bugs with the money we paid 'em. |
EA was just an example of who should not use it.
ID games are not funding Quake Wars though, Activision is. I dunno about the financial situation of Splash damage, who is developing it, and what their relationship with Activision is - but it can't be too good considering they have to put ads in to fund post-development of the game. |
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| Posted: Tue, 3rd Jul 2007 12:53 Post subject: |
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IMO, ads can be good for the game-experience. Take like a football game, you want the ads on the billboard to be as real as possible. It enhances the realism of the game
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| Posted: Tue, 3rd Jul 2007 13:35 Post subject: |
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| Parallax_ wrote: | | Praetori wrote: | | ID games and EA, though? They should be able to fix bugs with the money we paid 'em. |
EA was just an example of who should not use it.
ID games are not funding Quake Wars though, Activision is. I dunno about the financial situation of Splash damage, who is developing it, and what their relationship with Activision is - but it can't be too good considering they have to put ads in to fund post-development of the game. |
Ah, right. Splash damage. But still. It's an A+++, it shouldn't need in game advertising. That is, unless they sell the game for 30 euro or less.
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| Posted: Tue, 3rd Jul 2007 14:16 Post subject: |
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I've seen ads in a lot of online games I used to play. Honestly I'd prefer never to have some garbage shoved down my throat, ever. Counter-Strike has ads in the maps now for instance, on a side note, is he sporting Speedo on his backpack?
They take advantage of to many people that don't even know what spyware is, those monitoring programs might as well be trojans.
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| Posted: Tue, 3rd Jul 2007 14:26 Post subject: |
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I have a question to all of you : have anyone of you played Ubisoft games while being connect to the net , some people don`t know this but new Ubisoft titles while playing the SP campaign connect to the net to download new ads
They stuff game advertising in all new titles , Rainbow SIx Vegas (movie posters , Axe ads , redbull posters and so on ) , Splinter cell , Graw (axe posters , redbull , and others)
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| Posted: Tue, 3rd Jul 2007 15:13 Post subject: |
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| hafriski wrote: | I have a question to all of you : have anyone of you played Ubisoft games while being connect to the net , some people don`t know this but new Ubisoft titles while playing the SP campaign connect to the net to download new ads
They stuff game advertising in all new titles , Rainbow SIx Vegas (movie posters , Axe ads , redbull posters and so on ) , Splinter cell , Graw (axe posters , redbull , and others) |
Every application on my PC that doesn't absolutely NEED net access is firewalled (and I never play anything online).
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| Posted: Tue, 3rd Jul 2007 15:39 Post subject: |
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You never play online. You're missing out on a great deal. Single player games have nothing on multiplayer.
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| Posted: Tue, 3rd Jul 2007 17:15 Post subject: |
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I usually have no problems with in game advertising, a lot of the times is adds to the realism of the setting. What I do have a problem with is the fact that they seem to be creeping into every game, now a lot of times when you have advertising in products or services they are offset by making them cheaper or free to the end user (as the advertisers will be paying for most of that service through their adverts). However when many titles seem to stay the same or gradually get worse in quality and overall game length then I see is as exploting the end user.
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| Posted: Tue, 3rd Jul 2007 18:36 Post subject: |
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| Parallax_ wrote: | | chiv wrote: | | i think in-game advertising is pathetic. WE are paying full price for the game, ON TOP of advertisers paying developers to put their adverts in... its like buying a dvd and getting adverts in it... it wouldnt be bad if game prices were lower as a result of being subsidised by advertisers, but this just feels like absolute greed, and i think if it goes unchecked it could turn out to be a major issue in the future... |
If you have read interviews with the developers, they are putting the advertisement in so that they can fund post-launch stuff, such as patches.
http://bluesnews.com/cgi-bin/board.pl?action=viewthread&threadid=78662 |
i think thats bullsh*t. if your paying them full price for a game, you expect it to work, and if it doesnt, you expect them to FIX IT so that it does.
when you buy a microwave, or a tv, and the thing fails or doesnt work right a week after you get it, youd damn well expect whoever made it to fix it given that you paid for a working product, not for 'a product that may or may not work, we cant guarantee how well though'.. that post launch crap is a lame excuse to justify what they are doing. and yes, i think i, like others here, have a right to bitch, because i actually DO purchase games...
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| Posted: Tue, 3rd Jul 2007 18:44 Post subject: |
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| chiv wrote: | | when you buy a microwave, or a tv, and the thing fails or doesnt work right a week after you get it, youd damn well expect whoever made it to fix it given that you paid for a working product, not for 'a product that may or may not work, we cant guarantee how well though'.. that post launch crap is a lame excuse to justify what they are doing. and yes, i think i, like others here, have a right to bitch, because i actually DO purchase games... |
Comparing one industry to the other is complete bullshit. Everyone with half a brain knows that you can release half-ass finished products in the software industry, that's just how it works.
It ain't the same as when a car manufacturer has to re-call 200k cars because they forgot to put in a vital part, or something was damaged. |
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| Posted: Tue, 3rd Jul 2007 19:00 Post subject: |
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the point isnt that one shouldnt expect problems in games, the point is that you expect that someone selling a product is responsible for making sure it works, thats why you pay them the money. they shouldnt need to get money from anywhere else to ensure they can actually support and fix the product they are selling.
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| Posted: Tue, 3rd Jul 2007 19:02 Post subject: |
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Well, first of all read my comment about economics. Secondly, what would you have?
a) Zero patches, zero post-launch support
b) Advertisement, patches, and post-launch support
I don't think their motives are greed, I think they don't have any other choice.
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| Posted: Tue, 3rd Jul 2007 20:11 Post subject: |
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| Parallax_ wrote: | Well, first of all read my comment about economics. Secondly, what would you have?
a) Zero patches, zero post-launch support
b) Advertisement, patches, and post-launch support
I don't think their motives are greed, I think they don't have any other choice. |
adding ads in game for post launch support is a sorry excuse for being lazy, devs wont need any of that post launch shit if they would beta test before a release.
as for patches... first person shooter games dont need constant updates and patches, maybe a patch to fix some bugs here and there or add a gun or map or 2 but other than that they dont need to add shit, they are justifying for their ads.
think about it if you could make an extra X amount of dollars to put some ads in your game wouldn't u to? its all about money.
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| Posted: Tue, 3rd Jul 2007 20:29 Post subject: |
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If the ads fits well into the style of the game and it's not extremely many ads, then I probably wont mind, but if they start putting ads in the loading scenes in the game, then they shouldn't be surprised if nobody buys their game*
If would be nice if e.g. GTA has a few billboards which says something like "Cool Cola" and has the red color and the usual Coca Cola style, it wouldn't really fit in if the billboard said "Coca Cola" as that kinda goes against their style
* But if the game is free (or at a very low price), then I wouldn't mind... just don't expect us to pay full price when most of the game is advertising anyway
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| Posted: Tue, 3rd Jul 2007 22:01 Post subject: |
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As of now Splash only intends to put 1-3 ads per map but don't want them to be in a place where it'll ruin game play, with the work they've done on this game I believe them, but someone on the official forums did make a valid point, the whole thing with ads is for them to be seen, no one would purchase ad space unless it was gunna be seen.
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| Posted: Tue, 3rd Jul 2007 22:03 Post subject: |
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They'll put a cola logo on the moon 
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| Posted: Wed, 4th Jul 2007 00:09 Post subject: |
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| HunterHare wrote: | | adding ads in game for post launch support is a sorry excuse for being lazy, devs wont need any of that post launch shit if they would beta test before a release. |
That's an hilarious statement when it comes to this game. Are you following it? Because then you know QW is being beta tested...  |
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| Posted: Wed, 4th Jul 2007 09:44 Post subject: |
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| HunterHare wrote: | | Parallax_ wrote: | | HunterHare wrote: | | adding ads in game for post launch support is a sorry excuse for being lazy, devs wont need any of that post launch shit if they would beta test before a release. |
That's an hilarious statement when it comes to this game. Are you following it? Because then you know QW is being beta tested... |
I'm pissed because i can't get into the beta and see the ads for myself  |
They only have place holders for them atm, like where there going to be placed. I'll take some screenshots for ya. |
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