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Karmeck




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PostPosted: Sat, 4th Aug 2007 20:25    Post subject: id Software games now on steam
http://www.steampowered.com/v/index.php?area=news&id=1141&cc=US

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Bought Commander Keen, they use dos box and it works fine. Doom 3 and RoE retail keys do not work on steam (tested)
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Epsilon
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PostPosted: Sat, 4th Aug 2007 20:45    Post subject:
Paying for a 20 year old game only to have it run through a third party solution like dosbox?, apparently almost anything can sell these days Wink
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Krono




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PostPosted: Sat, 4th Aug 2007 20:59    Post subject:
i want to play hexen again
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Pluvius




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PostPosted: Sat, 4th Aug 2007 21:05    Post subject:
Even as jaded as I am, this news is pretty amazing. Every PC game and addon id's ever made except for Quake IV and a few obscure early games (including a couple of Commander Keen games that were outside of the main series) are on there for $70. Plus a 10% discount if you get them now. I'm not a huge id fan but that's still a fantastic deal.

Rob
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LeoNatan
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PostPosted: Sat, 4th Aug 2007 22:30    Post subject:
70$ for such old games? Yes, even D3 is considered old.
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Mortibus




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PostPosted: Sun, 5th Aug 2007 00:12    Post subject:
LeoNatan wrote:
70$ for such old games? Yes, even D3 is considered old.


lawl i wouldn't play them for free Laughing
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FranK_aka_Spooky




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PostPosted: Sun, 5th Aug 2007 14:37    Post subject:
http://vogons.zetafleet.com/viewtopic.php?t=16285


haha oh wow, Valve is fucking retarded using DosBox for Doom instead of asking the zDoom team or whatever to use their windows ports and streamline them into Steam

I'd be actually really happy if the would bring old games to Steam but then they should do proper Windows ports and not shit like that.
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KrutojPoc




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PostPosted: Sun, 5th Aug 2007 18:37    Post subject:
LeoNatan wrote:
70$ for such old games? Yes, even D3 is considered old.

Yeah i agree Very Happy 70$ for a pile of old games . lol
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FISKER_Q




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PostPosted: Sun, 5th Aug 2007 18:54    Post subject:
FranK_aka_Spooky wrote:
http://vogons.zetafleet.com/viewtopic.php?t=16285


haha oh wow, Valve is fucking retarded using DosBox for Doom instead of asking the zDoom team or whatever to use their windows ports and streamline them into Steam

I'd be actually really happy if the would bring old games to Steam but then they should do proper Windows ports and not shit like that.


Well Steam just provide the service, it must have been ID who have packaged this released with Doxbox, but i must say it's pretty shocking since they, of any, should be the ones with the knowledge of the GPL.

And they've violated it on several points.
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Pluvius




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PostPosted: Sun, 5th Aug 2007 22:10    Post subject:
LeoNatan wrote:
70$ for such old games? Yes, even D3 is considered old.


Doom 3 and its addon by themselves are $30 at retail, nearly half the price. All of the other games, along with the convenience of being able to get them all at one place and one time legally with simple downloads, are surely worth $40 assuming you like id's games (otherwise the price would be irrelevant).

As for DOSBox, the obvious reason why they used it is because it's the only program that would work with everything (Commander Keen doesn't have any Windows ports to my knowledge), not to mention that using zDoom or something like that would likely piss off purists and maybe even have legal repercussions. (You can download zDoom yourself and get the WAD from the Steam folder if you want to go that route.) The couple minor violations of the GPL are easy to fix; they've already updated the downloads to include a copy of the license, and it would be just as easy to include the DOSBox source code or a link to it.

Rob
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mrhelpfull




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PostPosted: Sun, 5th Aug 2007 23:04    Post subject:
This topic changed my life,Steam FTW Rolling Eyes
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chiv




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PostPosted: Mon, 6th Aug 2007 08:11    Post subject:
i warned you people... steam will eat us all...
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SpykeZ




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PostPosted: Mon, 6th Aug 2007 08:25    Post subject:
Good thing i level'd my anti eat ability.
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chiv




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LeoNatan
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PostPosted: Mon, 6th Aug 2007 09:25    Post subject:
Pluvius wrote:
LeoNatan wrote:
70$ for such old games? Yes, even D3 is considered old.


Doom 3 and its addon by themselves are $30 at retail, nearly half the price. All of the other games, along with the convenience of being able to get them all at one place and one time legally with simple downloads, are surely worth $40 assuming you like id's games (otherwise the price would be irrelevant).

As for DOSBox, the obvious reason why they used it is because it's the only program that would work with everything (Commander Keen doesn't have any Windows ports to my knowledge), not to mention that using zDoom or something like that would likely piss off purists and maybe even have legal repercussions. (You can download zDoom yourself and get the WAD from the Steam folder if you want to go that route.) The couple minor violations of the GPL are easy to fix; they've already updated the downloads to include a copy of the license, and it would be just as easy to include the DOSBox source code or a link to it.

Rob

Lol, sure they were once worth the money. But ffs, it's 2007, and to expect people to pay 70$ for games whose timespan is from early 90s to 2003 is just stupid. If this pack was 20-30$, I'd buy it. But 70$? LaughingLaughing
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BoZo_




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PostPosted: Mon, 6th Aug 2007 16:31    Post subject:
Bah, no multiplayer for DOOM, that's crap.

don't copy that floppy
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Pluvius




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PostPosted: Mon, 6th Aug 2007 20:26    Post subject:
LeoNatan wrote:
Pluvius wrote:
LeoNatan wrote:
70$ for such old games? Yes, even D3 is considered old.


Doom 3 and its addon by themselves are $30 at retail, nearly half the price. All of the other games, along with the convenience of being able to get them all at one place and one time legally with simple downloads, are surely worth $40 assuming you like id's games (otherwise the price would be irrelevant).


Lol, sure they were once worth the money. But ffs, it's 2007, and to expect people to pay 70$ for games whose timespan is from early 90s to 2003 is just stupid. If this pack was 20-30$, I'd buy it. But 70$? LaughingLaughing


Feel free to cite a place (including eBay) where you can get those twenty other games and addons for anywhere close to $40. If you can only come up with piracy, then you lose the argument. The entire point of offering these old games cheaply and conveniently is so you don't have to pirate them.

I might feel differently if these were console games. Those are so easy to pirate that a computer-illiterate bonehead could do it, downloading ROMs from a website, getting an emulator, and playing. Not to mention that most re-releases of old console games I've seen are total ripoffs, charging $40 for one or two games. PC games, especially ones which are too old to be freely available at any warez outlet but not old enough to be on abandonware sites (which make up a big chunk of the id package), are not worth the time and effort when you can just get them for $2 a piece, especially if you have a job that's anywhere above minimum wage.

Rob
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LeoNatan
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PostPosted: Mon, 6th Aug 2007 20:39    Post subject:
70$ is not cheap. And to remind you, we are here (on a piracy board), because of overpriced crap. And it has nothing to do with the salary or how rich or poor I am. Games should not cost so much, especially old shit that should be already free anyway.
Now stfu. If you can't cope with the deal we pirate stuff, gtfo. Until a genuinely good offer is put, I will continue to pirate things.
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mrhelpfull




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PostPosted: Mon, 6th Aug 2007 22:33    Post subject:
Seems a fair price to be honest for a slice of gaming history
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SpykeZ




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PostPosted: Mon, 6th Aug 2007 22:56    Post subject:
LeoNatan wrote:
we are here (on a piracy board), because of overpriced crap.


hmmm, I joined for the hell of being on another forum to talk about games.

And considering that price from a legal view, it's worth it.

Hexen <3

Anyone play Liquidator ? It was like a new age hexen.
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mrhelpfull




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PostPosted: Mon, 6th Aug 2007 23:49    Post subject:
Im actually curious bout that Liquidator game,how does it play anyhow?


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SpykeZ




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PostPosted: Mon, 6th Aug 2007 23:54    Post subject:
mrhelpfull wrote:
Im actuallu curious bout that Liquidator game,how does it play anyhow?


If you never played hexen..or if you have and didn't like it, then I doubt you'll like it.

If on the other hand you did, then theres a chance you'll like it. Everyone called it crap cause 1) it's russian 2) it was boring (mainly cause they never played a game like hexen)

I personally enjoyed it. You can tell more work went into the guns and enemies than anything else in the game. If you got some time to kill give it a try. You really have to play the game for what it was/is(a hexen clone..which hasn't really been done) and forget about other games you have played in the past.
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mrhelpfull




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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Aug 2007 00:08    Post subject:
Actually i remember really liking the first Hexen,loved the atmosphere.
The second was more a 3rd person affair if i remember correctly,still ive got
some time on my hands,maybe ill give it a try.
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Pluvius




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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Aug 2007 02:01    Post subject:
LeoNatan wrote:
70$ is not cheap.


It is for twenty-two games, two of which cost $30 together at retail and the rest of which can't be found at retail any more.

Look, I agree that it's immoral for video-game companies to charge money for twenty-year-old games when they haven't done anything to improve them. (Though I find your insistence that a new copy of a popular game that's only four years old isn't worth $20 to be a bit stupid, quite frankly.) But it's pointless to whine about that when only once in a blue moon do you ever see a successful game company release any part of its back catalog for free. This is the best deal you're likely ever going to get for these games.

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And to remind you, we are here (on a piracy board), because of overpriced crap.


You might be, but I'm here because this is a great place to find out about ultra-obscure games (which usually suck, but hey, you never know) that you'd never hear about anywhere else. I do pirate because games tend to cost more than they're worth to me, as well as more than the opportunity cost to me of pirating them, but neither of those things apply to this particular offer.

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If you can't cope with the deal we pirate stuff, gtfo. Until a genuinely good offer is put, I will continue to pirate things.


Am I the only one who remembers when warez groups encouraged people to legally buy games that they like?

Rob
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nightlith




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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Aug 2007 03:53    Post subject:
mmm
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Am I the only one who remembers when warez groups encouraged people to legally buy games that they like?


Pretty much just schooled the thread, lol.

Hey, I agree, while $70 may seem steep, at 33 games, that's close to $3/game. Considering I see people dump cash into Virtual Console and Live Arcade, this little offering from id is win/win for everyone. Mind you, I still have the OOOOOLD Quake cd, that including most of the games that's been offered here (though I think I lost the activator that lets you unlock all of them), so I probably won't get this. However, assuming these all run flawlessly upon install from steam without me dicking around with emulator options, I'd get it purely for convenience.

Shit though, they knock off $20 and I wouldn't even think about buying it. At least at $70 I gotta wait till next week before I can plunk cash on it And to top it off, my pc is so old they might not even run!!!

i can has computar?!
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chiv




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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Aug 2007 04:20    Post subject:
i still have quake on cd too... shit... i still have the original pc gamer demo cd with the very first quake demo on it... quake is the greatest game ever. EVER. i think the price is pretty fair.. shit, you fork out almost that amount of cash on single games these days that arent even half as good as what id have done, and thats not even time relative... even though the graphics are old, quake is still a better game than many releases in the past 2 or so years...
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KrutojPoc




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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Aug 2007 09:57    Post subject:
I agree with LeoNatan, unless you are true ID fanatic this pack is seriously overpriced. The only game from this pack which is not completely ancient is Doom3 + Exp.
BUT, its still old. Its 3 years old game. And what if i am not interested in Doom 3? That means i pay 70$ for a pile of games, 90% of which are so old they should be abandonware for a long time already. No thanks. 30-40$ is much better price. And i dont care if Doom 3 alone is 20$, if i want Doom 3 i'll buy it for 20$, not for 70$
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SpykeZ




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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Aug 2007 10:15    Post subject:
Pluvius wrote:

Am I the only one who remembers when warez groups encouraged people to legally buy games that they like?

Rob


some respected groups still do
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Pluvius




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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Aug 2007 20:40    Post subject:
KrutojPoc wrote:
30-40$ is much better price.


It'd also be much better if my employer paid me $50 an hour and gave me a free handjob every week as benefits, but that's unfortunately not going to happen.

Rob
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mrhelpfull




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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Aug 2007 21:00    Post subject:
What? No free handjobs,leave that job at once bro,we all deserve *free benefits* !
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