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Tr0jen
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 Posted: Tue, 14th Sep 2004 03:16 Post subject: CM5 or FM5 - Your Call ! |
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I would like to know which one you guys are going to go after when they are out...I myself I have looked at both & I feel CM5 has my vote.
CM5 has the player stats are out of 100, that itself is a great bonus, this means there should be a noticeable difference in one player from the other & also make bring young players into the team more enjoyable as training players was always boring, never was there all that much a difference...well thats what I think, let me know what you think?
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| Posted: Tue, 14th Sep 2004 03:24 Post subject: |
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fm2005 without a doubt.
sports interactive (si) are the king of the hill when it comes to these types of games.
i cant see anyone taking the crown from them.
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| Posted: Tue, 14th Sep 2004 03:47 Post subject: |
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They have the reputation as the king of the hill for management sims but I reckon people might be suprised by CM5. SI will probably add shitty useless gimmicky features and have wasted time on changing the interface (yet again) for no real reason other than to make it seem like a massive overhaul.
I'm sure the developers of CM5 are more than aware of what has made the CM series popular and, if they build on it by making the right improvements, I reckon they might be able to release the better game.
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| Posted: Tue, 14th Sep 2004 05:59 Post subject: |
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FM2005 all the way.
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Ispep
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| Posted: Tue, 14th Sep 2004 07:41 Post subject: |
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Dryan way off the mark 
They HAD to change the interface for legal reasons, and it is in fact CM5 that has gone down the gimmicks route - from everything I've read and seen as well it appears to be more streamlined and aimed at the casual gamer.
As for stats out of 100 being better than 20 it's an age old debate and there isn't an easy answer because it's paramount how the engine actually translates this stat - and in the case of CM5 we have little idea yet.
My mind is already made up, but FM still has some convincing to do - I just can't see CM5 taking any of my time.
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Ispep
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| Posted: Tue, 14th Sep 2004 08:21 Post subject: |
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I know what you mean with the features list, some of them were actually ommitted features that used to be in the old CM series and are making a spectactular comeback... being asked what you think of your chances this season is one, but there are a few more.
The media editor isn't really a media editor at all, it's a 'mind games comments editor' - and details are sparse - they don't just come right out and say this, instead they let you speculate until someone had the nerve to bring it up and get shot down for questioning (mind games comment editor is too much of a mouthfull. well that's all fair and well, but why not inform us of it's limitations a few months back so we didn't get our hopes up of changing the almost certain to be basic and generic news reporting that comes default  )
...you should go on the forums and speak out, they get all pissed off hundreds of apologists with calm and collective, nice demenours will flood your topic with what basically amounts to licking SiGames ass.
But still, it's the same with PES - I could list you many faults with the game that drive me crazy (just one is the way defenders goto the last known location rather than anticipate the movement of the player - which means you end up with the defender circling the attacker as he moves forward and chasing his heels. The catch up logic in the old games was also a stinker)
But I still love the game and play it on an almost daily basis - there's nothing better, not even FIFA 2005 which I found to be a bit refreshing - and with PES4 the cycle will continue 
Demo for FM2005 is very close, a week or so I believe - so you can make your mind up properly then.
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| Posted: Tue, 14th Sep 2004 08:28 Post subject: |
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I've been on the SI forums. I made a suggestion regarding the transfer system that I had discussed with people in a CM IRC channel and I never got a reply from any of the SI staff. It was quite a well thought out idea buts since I wasn't brown nosing them I don't think they listened.
I know what you mean regarding the brown nosers - there are thousands of them and they defend SI at any opportunity. You can't even defend yourself against them because there are so many.
The SI staff are just as bad. I've hated Miles ever since his comment that the warez version has a virus and will completely fuck your computer. Fair enough - I can understand they want to stop people from downloading the game but wouldn't they be better doing that by improving the game instead of blatantly lying about the pirate version.
I've also had a couple of conversations with some members of the SI staff and they never take any suggestions on board. I think they have an arrogance about them because their game has been successful and aren't willing to listen to any constructive criticism.
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| Posted: Tue, 14th Sep 2004 10:52 Post subject: |
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WTF is football manager 5 ?
CM all the way for me... If its as good as CM3..
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Saner
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| Posted: Tue, 14th Sep 2004 10:56 Post subject: |
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FM2005
SIgames make the best when it comes to that.
sure CM4 was tosh, but they fixed that with CM 03/04
CM5 may be good, but without the original team who made the name it will never be as good as what the previous CMs have been (allthough in time it could turn out to be ok)
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I saw things like that in here and in other "woman problems" topics so...... Am I the only one that thinks some authorities needs to be alerted about Saner and him possibly being a rapist and/or kidnapper ? |
Saner is not being serious. Unless its the subject of Santa!
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| Posted: Tue, 14th Sep 2004 11:43 Post subject: |
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fm2005 it has everything going for it. cm5 isnt bring anything new. fm2005 has even more leagues than cm4 i dont think cm5 is getting any bigger.
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| Posted: Tue, 14th Sep 2004 15:16 Post subject: |
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FM2005 without a doubt. From what I see, CM5 appears to be rushed and dumbed down.
Feyenoord4ever - FM2005 is the next game from SI, the people who made all the CM games. Their contract with Eidos was up and Eidos own the name CM, so they're continuing the series under the name of Football Manager. SI own the game code, the database and the scouting network. If you like CM and are looking forward to the next version, you're looking forward to FM.
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| Posted: Tue, 14th Sep 2004 15:42 Post subject: |
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Football manager 5 for me all the way....Coz SI are makeing the game and Eidos have got some unknown programmers to do CM5...and they have to start from scratch with their game but SI have got all the code from the Champ series. So im going with FM5 for deffo...will check out CM5 though just to be nosy...hehe u never know
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| Posted: Tue, 14th Sep 2004 16:19 Post subject: |
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| Quboid wrote: | | SI own the game code, the database and the scouting network. If you like CM and are looking forward to the next version, you're looking forward to FM. |
exactly what ive been saying!. |
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| Posted: Tue, 14th Sep 2004 17:16 Post subject: |
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FM2005 for sure but I will give CM5 a try, the developers (SI) of CM4, are now doing the FM2005
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| Posted: Tue, 14th Sep 2004 17:31 Post subject: |
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Does anyone know what will be on the FM 2005 demo you will get with the FM mag?
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Ispep
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| Posted: Tue, 14th Sep 2004 18:04 Post subject: |
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A quickstart of the English leagues to be sure, and you play half a season of the 'full' game, minus probably the sounds.
It's a beta demo as well, so buggy and prone to fixes before gold.
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| Posted: Tue, 14th Sep 2004 18:23 Post subject: |
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FM2005 by a mile.
the eidos game is just going to be another brainless management game like premier manager. already changing basic things that champ manager has had from the start. the whole attributes out of 100 is bollocks, the fun is scouting out players that are great from the ones that are mediocre and not from just numbers alone, and they seem to have changed that straight away. fuck'em.
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| Posted: Tue, 14th Sep 2004 18:37 Post subject: |
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The only thing that bothers me for FM5 is the player photos. for instance say you have Robbie Savage in your team with his photo next to his name...but then your youth team coach promotes one ov the up n coming talents to the first team...with a randomly generated name ie Frank Skinner....what photo will he have????..will there be a randomly generated photo for him??...in my own opinion i think they should scrap the photos for players
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| Posted: Tue, 14th Sep 2004 19:03 Post subject: |
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its a good feature. i wonder if they'll have youth teams coz my m8 is called sam willamson he plays for city. hes amazing and for sure gonna be in the premiership in a year or 2. i wonder if they have real youths in there.
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| Posted: Tue, 14th Sep 2004 19:17 Post subject: |
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Regarding the photo thing there was a competition to get your face as one of the randomly generated photos IIRC so for randomly generated players the photos will be one of these CM fans.
This photo thing must be the most gimmicky feature they could have possible added. Unless being able to see a photo of the player is crucial to managing a football team. They could have improved the tactics or something but they add this shit - it sums it up.
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Sep 2004 02:23 Post subject: |
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I'm going to try them both obviously, but i doubt CM5 will be anything special.Can't be worse than that football strategy game from EA anyway...(can't remember the name)
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Sep 2004 09:53 Post subject: |
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Total Manager? That was bollocks,
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Sep 2004 10:00 Post subject: |
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Yeah, the manager from EA was a piece of shit. It wasn't balanced at all, players stats weren't correct and the managment was pure joke.
I'm looking forward to FM5.
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Sep 2004 12:25 Post subject: |
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football managers suck these day's the ones on the old amiga used to be just as complex and offer nearly all the features the ones we get now have.
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Sep 2004 13:52 Post subject: |
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Yeah - I used to love Premier Manager 3
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Tr0jen
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| Posted: Fri, 17th Sep 2004 01:42 Post subject: |
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after reading everyones comments, I am going to change my mind & follow the flock, I hope I am not lead a stray...
"Don't eat the yellow snow..." - Frank Zappa
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| Posted: Fri, 17th Sep 2004 08:01 Post subject: |
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Try both, its just that makers of CM are doing the same game but with out the rights to the CM name.
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| Posted: Tue, 21st Sep 2004 16:56 Post subject: |
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anybody got the fm5 beta demo ?
i cant believe they sell it on a magazine : 5.49 pounds
its the same sh.. every year, you buy a game thatll be outdated and not updated 8-10 month after its release.
i emailed one of the programmer a few years ago and he told me that they were considering implementing online updates : thats just bs
im a big cm fan (the original cm) since 1992 and bought a lot of versions but now im fed up.
maybe ill buy it this year as its in a dual format
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