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oh yes. i like that idea
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MannyK
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| Posted: Tue, 2nd Sep 2008 02:25 Post subject: |
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guess #4 is about crap STeam and GameTap , and #9 also about those two plus those games that use the TAGES internet activation and Securom (even #6 talks about Securom it installs drivers with $ in front of them making them invisible)
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| Posted: Tue, 2nd Sep 2008 02:27 Post subject: |
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Some of those are not realistic at all, and if passed piracy would massively increase, that's the last thing PC gaming needs. Number 2 and 3 almost contradict each other, how is it a right to expect updates to a bug free game? This only applies to MMORPG's in my opinion.
As a consumer the most powerful right you have is the use of discretion when it comes to spending your money. If you don't appreciate a product, don't buy it.
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| Posted: Tue, 2nd Sep 2008 02:42 Post subject: |
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@ AnimalMother
#2 just basically says games should not be rushed
how would piracy massively increase?
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| Posted: Tue, 2nd Sep 2008 02:48 Post subject: |
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I think piracy would decrease rather than increase.
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| Posted: Tue, 2nd Sep 2008 02:49 Post subject: |
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"7) Gamers shall have the right to re-download the latest versions of the games they own at any time."
Good fuckin luck. The only company I can think of that does this is Blizzard, and they only started doing it 1 month ago.
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| Posted: Tue, 2nd Sep 2008 02:52 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: | Some of those are not realistic at all, and if passed piracy would massively increase, that's the last thing PC gaming needs. Number 2 and 3 almost contradict each other, how is it a right to expect updates to a bug free game? This only applies to MMORPG's in my opinion.
As a consumer the most powerful right you have is the use of discretion when it comes to spending your money. If you don't appreciate a product, don't buy it. |
you can't expect a perfect game but they're saying that atleast when you release a patch it should really fix the problem in the game and not just fix one and pop another etc...
but yeah these days 70% of games aren't completely finished when they're out
I think in all fairness we can say that if a person has played through a game and loved the experience he's gonna want more and he is gonna buy the game eventually when he can afford it to get more games like that ( the witcher *worships* )
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| Posted: Tue, 2nd Sep 2008 03:28 Post subject: |
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| -=Cartoon=- wrote: | i love stardock  |
yah, well then why don't you go marry it! I bet it's possible since you live in paradise!    Luckiest asshole alive!!
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| Posted: Tue, 2nd Sep 2008 03:28 Post subject: |
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| djaoni wrote: | | I think piracy would decrease rather than increase. |
Yeah in an ideal world. But people are bastards and most would just take advantage of the increased ease of piracy.
Back when copy protection was in it's infancy, the proportional amount of piracy was absurd. This is of course taking account of the fact that back then point-to-point file sharing and limited popularity mean that a direct comparison of numbers is meaningless.
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| Posted: Tue, 2nd Sep 2008 17:10 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: | Some of those are not realistic at all, and if passed piracy would massively increase, that's the last thing PC gaming needs. Number 2 and 3 almost contradict each other, how is it a right to expect updates to a bug free game? This only applies to MMORPG's in my opinion.
As a consumer the most powerful right you have is the use of discretion when it comes to spending your money. If you don't appreciate a product, don't buy it. |
Im with ya, some of the suggestions are down right stupid, like we would be a kinda of race, the gamer race. And have the "right" to get a the game in a"finished state" , are you kidding me. Why not put in a demand there you want the right to sun just because you travel to a sunny country.
And #10, what kinda world do you live in, we would be back to "Don't copy that floppy".
How would #1 work, would I like come to you're house to see that it is not working, and just hope you just didn't install the game and went back to the store.
"meaningful updates" whats that? Maybe Horse armor was not the best thing in the world but those that like it, do you want to take it away from them.
#4 Steam? The reason they do this is because it's best for the costumer, before steam a update for CS got out but everyone was not knowing about it and this crated frustration. What steam dose is helping ppl keep up to date with minimal effort.
#5 there is to much to take in account here to make this work, software you have installed may slow you're computer down. OR there might be something wrong with you're hardware. OR a driver issue.
#6 "without their consent" Think it is stated in the EULA, and with securom there is a big box of text first time you start the game that u need secrum installed to play the game and you have to agree for it to install.
#7 So you wanna force every game developer to sett up server so you can download you're game at any time?
#8 Why do I have to be scanned at the air port, what did I do wrong?
#9 Steama gain? you can run it in off line mode.
It may look beautifully in theory but in real life it's down right retarded.
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| Posted: Tue, 2nd Sep 2008 17:20 Post subject: |
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Why is it stupid to want a fucking finished game? Are you actually defending devs who release bugridden crapfests?
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| Posted: Tue, 2nd Sep 2008 17:21 Post subject: |
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I agree with Karmeck. I think that this all sounds really rosy on paper, but for the majority of the industry, these suggestions simply wouldn't work out very well. It does seem to work alright for Stardock, and that's great, more power to 'em, but it's silly for anyone to think that these rules would work for every single developer/publisher.
| Naish wrote: | | Good fuckin luck. The only company I can think of that does this is Blizzard, and they only started doing it 1 month ago. |
Uh, what about Steam?
Correcting people since 2007 even if they're not wrong.
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| Posted: Tue, 2nd Sep 2008 17:26 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: | | Number 2 and 3 almost contradict each other, how is it a right to expect updates to a bug free game? This only applies to MMORPG's in my opinion. |
2 probably means the game should be playable, small balancing fixes are always very possible. Take for instance Gothic 3, you couldn't even get to all the endings in the unpatched game because of too many bugs, #2 tries to prevent such things from happening, while #3 ensures bugfixes if there are any found.
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| Posted: Tue, 2nd Sep 2008 17:30 Post subject: |
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| djaoni wrote: | | Why is it stupid to want a fucking finished game? Are you actually defending devs who release bugridden crapfests? |
It's a relative so you cant demand it as a fact. You cant demand that a game is bug free. It just don't work in the real world. And to be honest I rater see a game come out buggy then not coming out at all.
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| Posted: Tue, 2nd Sep 2008 17:30 Post subject: |
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| djaoni wrote: | | Why is it stupid to want a fucking finished game? |
Well, the question here is what exactly does "finished" mean?
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| Posted: Tue, 2nd Sep 2008 17:31 Post subject: |
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| Cedge wrote: | | djaoni wrote: | | Why is it stupid to want a fucking finished game? |
Well, the question here is what exactly does "finished" mean? |
Not an unoptimized PS2 port with 600 bugs?
And what's this talk about the real world, do you think Stardock releases games in their own fantasy world or something?
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Karmeck
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| Posted: Tue, 2nd Sep 2008 17:39 Post subject: |
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That is of cause what every one wants. But that is not how the world works.
"And what's this talk about the real world"
This would work in a fantasy world were every one bought their games, but in this the "real" world that is not how things work.
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| Posted: Tue, 2nd Sep 2008 17:50 Post subject: |
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| djaoni wrote: | | Not an unoptimized PS2 port with 600 bugs? |
That statement only applies to PS2 ports, which, in case you weren't aware, the vast majority of PC games are not.
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| Posted: Tue, 2nd Sep 2008 17:51 Post subject: |
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lol at "#4 Steam? The reason they do this is because it's best for the costumer" YEAH RIGHT it doesn't even have costumer support
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| Posted: Tue, 2nd Sep 2008 17:51 Post subject: |
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But the thing is you can pirate like every game right now, I just don't see what changes.
And what is it that wouldn't "work in the real world"? That devs play the game before releasing?
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| Posted: Tue, 2nd Sep 2008 17:56 Post subject: |
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| djaoni wrote: | | That devs play the game before releasing? |
Or commitment to support the game post-release. |
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| Posted: Tue, 2nd Sep 2008 18:44 Post subject: |
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| Naish wrote: | "7) Gamers shall have the right to re-download the latest versions of the games they own at any time."
Good fuckin luck. The only company I can think of that does this is Blizzard, and they only started doing it 1 month ago. |
Mythic started doing that in 2004... Blizzard was never first with anything, just learn that and don't post until then 
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| Posted: Tue, 2nd Sep 2008 20:20 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Tue, 2nd Sep 2008 20:45 Post subject: |
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Except in your interpretation #1 and #9 potentially contradict themselves. Biased idealists are almost useless.
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| Posted: Tue, 2nd Sep 2008 21:02 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: | | Except in your interpretation #1 and #9 potentially contradict themselves. Biased idealists are almost useless. |
yeah maybe they do contradict but im sure the original 1 - 10 are not finalised and there would be changes and certain games that are exempt.
i think the way that its headed would be a good idea tho.
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| Posted: Tue, 2nd Sep 2008 21:21 Post subject: |
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| Newty182 wrote: | | yeah maybe they do contradict but im sure the original 1 - 10 are not finalised and there would be changes and certain games that are exempt. |
Exempt from what? The fantasy wishlist that a single small publisher wishes the rest of the industry would follow?
It doesn't really matter, dude, since it's not like these are universal rules the entire industry has agreed to or anything.
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| Posted: Tue, 2nd Sep 2008 21:28 Post subject: |
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Reading from the link in the first post they want it like a brand that a game can earn. Like a "Editors choice".
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Gamers shall have the right to not be treated as potential criminals by developers or publishers.
heres what these things could mean.
