Windows XP X64
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Sajuuk_Khar




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PostPosted: Sat, 13th Oct 2007 14:23    Post subject: Windows XP X64
i was thinking on buying this Win but i could use a second opinion on it. has anyone used this version of XP??? i know what Microsoft says about it (googled it) but i am hoping that someone browsing this site uses it and could tell me if it worths having it installed!!! i mean real facts not only developer bla bla bla!!!

my system is AMD Athlon X64 X2 (dual core) 5200+ (~2,61 Ghz), 1GB DDR2 800Mhz, GForce 8600 GTS 256ram/128bits <---> i think!!! do you guys think i should use WinXP X64 or should i remain to the old WinXP SP2 32bits???

10x


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$en$i
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PostPosted: Sat, 13th Oct 2007 18:01    Post subject:
Do not use this version, even less buy it, even more for you who only have 1GB of ram, a x64 version is useful starting from 4GB.
Stick with XP 32-bit, 1GB of ram would be a little short for a stock version of Vista (i.e. unless you use vLite to remove part of the bloat) but you can still download Vista and see if it works ok, with it you would be able to use the directx10 compatibility of your gfx card.

cf. http://www.vlite.net/about.html
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PostPosted: Sat, 13th Oct 2007 19:30    Post subject:
Why do you need 4GB of ram??? I wanted to download and try 64 bit version of XP for some time now, but if that is really important (4GB of ram) then... no way hose...


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Nakitu




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PostPosted: Sat, 13th Oct 2007 21:30    Post subject:
dingo_d wrote:
Why do you need 4GB of ram??? I wanted to download and try 64 bit version of XP for some time now, but if that is really important (4GB of ram) then... no way hose...



You dont need 4gb to use windows 64. You need windows 64 to be able to use more then 2 gb of ram because 32bit system cant handle that much memory.
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Nakitu




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PostPosted: Sat, 13th Oct 2007 21:41    Post subject:
$en$i wrote:
Do not use this version, even less buy it, even more for you who only have 1GB of ram, a x64 version is useful starting from 4GB.
Stick with XP 32-bit, 1GB of ram would be a little short for a stock version of Vista (i.e. unless you use vLite to remove part of the bloat) but you can still download Vista and see if it works ok, with it you would be able to use the directx10 compatibility of your gfx card.

cf. http://www.vlite.net/about.html


Its not only about memory. Its about 64 bit instructions which is much more imortant then anything else.
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PostPosted: Sat, 13th Oct 2007 22:01    Post subject:
Nakitu wrote:
$en$i wrote:
Do not use this version, even less buy it, even more for you who only have 1GB of ram, a x64 version is useful starting from 4GB.
Stick with XP 32-bit, 1GB of ram would be a little short for a stock version of Vista (i.e. unless you use vLite to remove part of the bloat) but you can still download Vista and see if it works ok, with it you would be able to use the directx10 compatibility of your gfx card.

cf. http://www.vlite.net/about.html


Its not only about memory. Its about 64 bit instructions which is much more imortant then anything else.

+ the 64bit version of Far Cry looked FANTASTIC Very Happy
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dingo_d
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PostPosted: Sat, 13th Oct 2007 22:56    Post subject:
So it will work just fine with 1GB+ ram... that is the main point...


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chiv wrote:
thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found.

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$en$i
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PostPosted: Sat, 13th Oct 2007 23:31    Post subject:
Nakitu wrote:
You need windows 64 to be able to use more then 2 gb of ram because 32bit system cant handle that much memory.
32-bit systems can handle 4GB of memory, with the /3GB switch it gives us 3GB for the apps and 1GB reserved for the OS... Wink
Nakitu wrote:
Its not only about memory. Its about 64 bit instructions which is much more imortant then anything else.
Yeah 64-bit instructions would certainly worth the reinstall, if not even the purchase as Sajuuk_Khar asked, and the hassles of drivers/apps/codecs unavailabilities/incompatibilities and drawbacks of this under-supported version... Not.
dingo_d wrote:
So it will work just fine with 1GB+ ram... that is the main point...
You will have few benefits and a lot of possible problems. My advice is to keep your 32-bit XP. Vista x64 on another hand will be far more mainstream and drivers have to released both for 32-bit and 64-bit version to deserve the WHQL status.
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PostPosted: Sun, 14th Oct 2007 01:01    Post subject:
I've been using x64 pretty much since it's release. And it definately runs faster than the 32bit version. I'm not sure about application performance, but you should see an performance increase in case the app is native 64bit.

There was a lot of incompatibility issues with 64bit windows as early as a year ago. Some applications wouldn't work, others wouldn't install, because the installer wouldn't recognize the x64 as valid windows version.

And drivers especially are a problem. You can't use 32bit drivers and it's a bit difficult to locate 64bit ones for certain devices like webcams, keyboard/mice, dial-up or certain ADSL modems, DVB cards and similar things. Especially stuff older than a year and a half.

Otherwise they've been running great lately, no compatibility problems with stuff released nowadays.
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Nakitu




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PostPosted: Sun, 14th Oct 2007 09:39    Post subject:
$en$i wrote:
Nakitu wrote:
You need windows 64 to be able to use more then 2 gb of ram because 32bit system cant handle that much memory.
32-bit systems can handle 4GB of memory, with the /3GB switch it gives us 3GB for the apps and 1GB reserved for the OS... Wink


I have 4 gb of ram and on 32 bit system you can only use 2.7 gb.

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Due to an architectural decision made long ago, if you have 4GB of physical RAM installed, Windows is only able to report a portion of the physical 4GB of RAM (ranges from ~2.75GB to 3.5GB depending on the devices installed, motherboard's chipset & BIOS).

This behavior is due to "memory mapped IO reservations". Those reservations overlay the physical address space and mask out those physical addresses so that they cannot be used for working memory. This is independent of the OS running on the machine.


To have access to more ram you need to disable everything on youre system which makes that extra ram useless.
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PostPosted: Sun, 14th Oct 2007 10:35    Post subject:
The motherboard has a say in how much ram you can find on a 32 bit system when you have 4GB ram, so it varies from users how much they max out.


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PostPosted: Sun, 21st Oct 2007 11:00    Post subject:
just the kinda topic i wanted to open.

I bought a new machine yesterday with 2gb of ram and a core 2 duo 6750.

so it better to stick with 32bit xp? or shall i switch to vista?
bcause vista has dx10 and i have a 8800gt.

i'm playing some new and old games. Like morrowind and oblivion

any help plz Smile


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$en$i
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PostPosted: Sun, 21st Oct 2007 13:09    Post subject:
skidrow wrote:
just the kinda topic i wanted to open.

I bought a new machine yesterday with 2gb of ram and a core 2 duo 6750.

so it better to stick with 32bit xp? or shall i switch to vista?
bcause vista has dx10 and i have a 8800gt.

i'm playing some new and old games. Like morrowind and oblivion

any help plz Smile
Vista x64, if you have some old apps and games which may not work then dual boot it with win XP 32-bit over a 5 to 10 GB partition.
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PostPosted: Sun, 21st Oct 2007 13:13    Post subject:
$en$i wrote:
skidrow wrote:
just the kinda topic i wanted to open.

I bought a new machine yesterday with 2gb of ram and a core 2 duo 6750.

so it better to stick with 32bit xp? or shall i switch to vista?
bcause vista has dx10 and i have a 8800gt.

i'm playing some new and old games. Like morrowind and oblivion

any help plz Smile
Vista x64, if you have some old apps and games which may not work then dual boot it with win XP 32-bit over a 5 to 10 GB partition.


bah dual boot Sad


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$en$i
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PostPosted: Sun, 21st Oct 2007 14:27    Post subject:
skidrow wrote:
bah dual boot Sad
Then go Vista x64. Smile
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PostPosted: Sun, 21st Oct 2007 22:08    Post subject:
$en$i wrote:
skidrow wrote:
bah dual boot Sad
Then go Vista x64. Smile

Are there any bios emu hacks for x64 ? or they are for 32bit Vista only ?
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$en$i
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PostPosted: Mon, 22nd Oct 2007 01:57    Post subject:
alex7600 wrote:
$en$i wrote:
skidrow wrote:
bah dual boot Sad
Then go Vista x64. Smile

Are there any bios emu hacks for x64 ? or they are for 32bit Vista only ?
Yeah, search for Vista Loader OEM bios emulator. Afair the Microsoft.Windows.Vista.Ultimate.X64.OEM.DVD.READ.NFO-NoPE release use it.
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PostPosted: Mon, 22nd Oct 2007 08:18    Post subject: Re: Windows XP X64
Sajuuk_Khar wrote:
i was thinking on buying this Win but i could use a second opinion on it. has anyone used this version of XP??? i know what Microsoft says about it (googled it) but i am hoping that someone browsing this site uses it and could tell me if it worths having it installed!!! i mean real facts not only developer bla bla bla!!!

my system is AMD Athlon X64 X2 (dual core) 5200+ (~2,61 Ghz), 1GB DDR2 800Mhz, GForce 8600 GTS 256ram/128bits <---> i think!!! do you guys think i should use WinXP X64 or should i remain to the old WinXP SP2 32bits???

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PostPosted: Mon, 22nd Oct 2007 19:18    Post subject:
$en$i wrote:
alex7600 wrote:
$en$i wrote:
Then go Vista x64. Smile

Are there any bios emu hacks for x64 ? or they are for 32bit Vista only ?
Yeah, search for Vista Loader OEM bios emulator. Afair the Microsoft.Windows.Vista.Ultimate.X64.OEM.DVD.READ.NFO-NoPE release use it.

Thanks for info... now I want to move to quad-core and 4GB even more Smile
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