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Cohen
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both suck if you ask me..
Best option you have in the UK is virgin media, they arent that good really but for "unlimited" they offer something no other provider does, which is 100% unlimited downloading before 4 PM-12PM every day. Long as you dont download more than 3GB between 4 and midnight your fine.
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nouseforaname
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| Posted: Thu, 13th Dec 2007 23:40 Post subject: |
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bullshit lies. unlimited = unlimited. don't advertise it as such if it isn't. Doesn't the EU have strong laws against false advertising?
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Jenni
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| Posted: Thu, 13th Dec 2007 23:43 Post subject: |
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| watergem wrote: | both suck if you ask me..
Best option you have in the UK is virgin media, they arent that good really but for "unlimited" they offer something no other provider does, which is 100% unlimited downloading before 4 PM-12PM every day. Long as you dont download more than 3GB between 4 and midnight your fine. |
They're not that good?
Like I said in the other thread, I have full speeds except when they reduce my line during the short period.
I have no complaints about them apart from their customer service. |
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Cohen
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| Posted: Fri, 14th Dec 2007 00:01 Post subject: |
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I wasn't meaning they aren't good in a quality sense.. Ive had no probs either. I meant they state its unlimited when in reality its only unlimited off of peak times. Like mouse said, shouldn't advertise a service falsely. But its in the small print i believe. so they get away with it, average UK plebian doesn't know shit about the internet.
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| Posted: Fri, 14th Dec 2007 01:05 Post subject: |
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Jeez, I would be pissed if someone limited my speed at certain times. Unlimited - always, ftw.
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| Posted: Fri, 14th Dec 2007 03:47 Post subject: |
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| Unauthorized wrote: | | Jeez, I would be pissed if someone limited my speed at certain times. Unlimited - always, ftw. |
I think most IPs do.
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nouseforaname
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| Posted: Fri, 14th Dec 2007 03:51 Post subject: |
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In Canada Bell is the only company to restrict speeds, nobody else does. They don't make this fact obvious btw, just admit it on their website forum.
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| Posted: Fri, 14th Dec 2007 03:59 Post subject: |
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No, Shaw does as well. There have a traffic shapping program, I forgot its name. It slows downs speeds for a lot of torrents, esp at busy times and the location/node where you are. I think usenet is ok tho.
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| Posted: Fri, 14th Dec 2007 07:18 Post subject: |
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| pistolshrimp wrote: | | No, Shaw does as well. There have a traffic shapping program, I forgot its name. It slows downs speeds for a lot of torrents, esp at busy times and the location/node where you are. I think usenet is ok tho. |
Shaw uses Ellacoya router's to shape packets, they can easily identify even encrypted torrent packets etc, they also use throttling tactics against peer to peer traffic, this allows for easier QoS control, Voip which is time sensitive and throughput for online gaming. Ports are not affected it is done all by packet type.
Shaw's National Operations Center will not deny it is using Shaping technologies but refuses to say what it is shaping.
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| Posted: Fri, 14th Dec 2007 07:52 Post subject: |
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| nouseforaname wrote: | | In Canada Bell is the only company to restrict speeds, nobody else does. They don't make this fact obvious btw, just admit it on their website forum. |
Rogers happens to be the worst for shaping, and most ISP's do, it's too efficient at bandwidth management not to.
To further my other comment on Shaw (which Roger's does as well) Shaping is done based on usage as well, so if you are in an area wrought with saturation you will be
throttled to high hell, if you are in an area with little traffic very small amounts of shaping will be done, it's a sliding scale done at each router/node.
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| Posted: Fri, 14th Dec 2007 08:10 Post subject: |
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It's lame, I always said it was. If they advertised unlimited, then it should be unlimited.
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| Posted: Fri, 14th Dec 2007 08:22 Post subject: |
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| TripleNine wrote: | | It's lame, I always said it was. If they advertised unlimited, then it should be unlimited. |
I don't think most Canadian providers advertise unlimited speeds, I think they used too,
but there was a time when they allowed that, quickly finding out that you would have to
expand exponentially to accomodate.
I think they should offer more transparency though, I don't like an ISP not telling me why my download.com files go at 300k, and my Torrent's go 80k or so.
I think I read somewhere that there is a lawsuit going on to see if that is even legal, it is most likely in the U.S.A. but I am sure if they win the suit most providers will be scrambling to find alternate methods or network management.
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| Posted: Fri, 14th Dec 2007 08:52 Post subject: |
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| Martian123 wrote: | | TripleNine wrote: | | It's lame, I always said it was. If they advertised unlimited, then it should be unlimited. |
I don't think most Canadian providers advertise unlimited speeds, I think they used too,
but there was a time when they allowed that, quickly finding out that you would have to
expand exponentially to accomodate.
I think they should offer more transparency though, I don't like an ISP not telling me why my download.com files go at 300k, and my Torrent's go 80k or so.
I think I read somewhere that there is a lawsuit going on to see if that is even legal, it is most likely in the U.S.A. but I am sure if they win the suit most providers will be scrambling to find alternate methods or network management. |
I haven't heard of torrent packet filtering around here. I know they does in the u.s. Did you try private tracker? Public tracker are not really good, it really depend on your upload speed. Anyway with utorrent it is encrypted. So they are not supposed to know if you use torrent or not. There is a new law supposed to go public this week about the copyright, I think it's censured so it is difficult to get information about it.
Here:
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=6315846683
Many offer unlimited here but if you use it too much, they may throttle you. Some other was advertising unlimited but it had a cap of 100gig, after a action/lawsuit, they changed that.
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| Posted: Fri, 14th Dec 2007 09:51 Post subject: |
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be* is 24mbit actually unlimited...
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nouseforaname
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| Posted: Fri, 14th Dec 2007 16:03 Post subject: |
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| Martian123 wrote: | | nouseforaname wrote: | | In Canada Bell is the only company to restrict speeds, nobody else does. They don't make this fact obvious btw, just admit it on their website forum. |
Rogers happens to be the worst for shaping, and most ISP's do, it's too efficient at bandwidth management not to. |
My ISP is a third-party that uses Rogers cable lines. I guess I'm not sure if they throttle torrents since I rarely use those, but 24/7 I get 5 mbit from usenet, and I download over 200 gb /month every month for the last 2 years. I also live right downtown, around a couple universities as well so I imagine demand is high in my neighborhood.
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| Posted: Fri, 14th Dec 2007 17:55 Post subject: |
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I'm with Virgin, an they tend to cut you right down speed wise during the day, i have their 20mb package, off-peak, like 1.5-1.7 down, peak time's, forget it, 200k-600k top's, unlimited yes, as i've never had any letter's an i download 10-15gig 1pm onward'(mkv's)..
They shape like mofo's during the day...
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| Posted: Fri, 14th Dec 2007 18:58 Post subject: |
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| nouseforaname wrote: | | Martian123 wrote: | | nouseforaname wrote: | | In Canada Bell is the only company to restrict speeds, nobody else does. They don't make this fact obvious btw, just admit it on their website forum. |
Rogers happens to be the worst for shaping, and most ISP's do, it's too efficient at bandwidth management not to. |
My ISP is a third-party that uses Rogers cable lines. I guess I'm not sure if they throttle torrents since I rarely use those, but 24/7 I get 5 mbit from usenet, and I download over 200 gb /month every month for the last 2 years. I also live right downtown, around a couple universities as well so I imagine demand is high in my neighborhood. |
3rd party ISP's use Rogers lines, therefore they should be throttled.
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Fri, 14th Dec 2007 19:04 Post subject: |
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| Martian123 wrote: | | nouseforaname wrote: | | In Canada Bell is the only company to restrict speeds, nobody else does. They don't make this fact obvious btw, just admit it on their website forum. |
Rogers happens to be the worst for shaping, and most ISP's do, it's too efficient at bandwidth management not to.
To further my other comment on Shaw (which Roger's does as well) Shaping is done based on usage as well, so if you are in an area wrought with saturation you will be
throttled to high hell, if you are in an area with little traffic very small amounts of shaping will be done, it's a sliding scale done at each router/node. |
I use Rogers and always get blazing fast speeds and theyve never bitched at me for downloading anything |
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| Posted: Fri, 14th Dec 2007 19:26 Post subject: |
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| SycoShaman wrote: | | Martian123 wrote: | | nouseforaname wrote: | | In Canada Bell is the only company to restrict speeds, nobody else does. They don't make this fact obvious btw, just admit it on their website forum. |
Rogers happens to be the worst for shaping, and most ISP's do, it's too efficient at bandwidth management not to.
To further my other comment on Shaw (which Roger's does as well) Shaping is done based on usage as well, so if you are in an area wrought with saturation you will be
throttled to high hell, if you are in an area with little traffic very small amounts of shaping will be done, it's a sliding scale done at each router/node. |
I use Rogers and always get blazing fast speeds and theyve never bitched at me for downloading anything |
it's area dependant
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nouseforaname
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Nakitu
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| Posted: Sat, 15th Dec 2007 18:45 Post subject: |
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We dont have limits on bandwith here but its expensive to have high speed line. I download around 700gb per month. No problems whatsoever. Fair usage policy is gay.
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| Posted: Sat, 15th Dec 2007 19:24 Post subject: |
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| TripleNine wrote: | | Martian123 wrote: | | TripleNine wrote: | | It's lame, I always said it was. If they advertised unlimited, then it should be unlimited. |
I don't think most Canadian providers advertise unlimited speeds, I think they used too,
but there was a time when they allowed that, quickly finding out that you would have to
expand exponentially to accomodate.
I think they should offer more transparency though, I don't like an ISP not telling me why my download.com files go at 300k, and my Torrent's go 80k or so.
I think I read somewhere that there is a lawsuit going on to see if that is even legal, it is most likely in the U.S.A. but I am sure if they win the suit most providers will be scrambling to find alternate methods or network management. |
I haven't heard of torrent packet filtering around here. I know they does in the u.s. Did you try private tracker? Public tracker are not really good, it really depend on your upload speed. Anyway with utorrent it is encrypted. So they are not supposed to know if you use torrent or not. There is a new law supposed to go public this week about the copyright, I think it's censured so it is difficult to get information about it.
Here:
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=6315846683
Many offer unlimited here but if you use it too much, they may throttle you. Some other was advertising unlimited but it had a cap of 100gig, after a action/lawsuit, they changed that. |
They can still tell, scary as that may be, picture it like this, if you encrypt a torrent packet they can't tell the contents of the packet, but they can tell that it is torrent. much like if you run a black marker to cover a sheet of white paper you can't tell what is written on the paper but you can still identify it as paper.
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| Posted: Sat, 15th Dec 2007 21:02 Post subject: |
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Are you sure of this? How can they tell if it's a torrent packet? This make no sense.
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| Posted: Sun, 16th Dec 2007 03:51 Post subject: |
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| TripleNine wrote: | | Are you sure of this? How can they tell if it's a torrent packet? This make no sense. |
I am not sure how else to explain it, you can disguise the contents of the packet but not the packet itself. They can tell if it is a torrent packet, they just don't know what information the packet contains, Picture wearing a mask to conseal your identity, so now you have a mask on, just by looking we cannot tell who you are, but we can easily distinguish that you are a human.
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| Posted: Sun, 16th Dec 2007 05:03 Post subject: |
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The person who explained this to me, works for 3 web a 3rd party shaw reseller, I will have to contact him and see if he knows.
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pancake
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| Posted: Sun, 16th Dec 2007 10:01 Post subject: |
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| KaiKo wrote: | | be* is 24mbit actually unlimited... |
yep thats what i have now and its awesome!!
Also there fair usage policy sounds pretty fair and is just their to cover their ass
https://www.bethere.co.uk/fairusage.do
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