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Posted: Sat, 26th Mar 2005 17:32 Post subject: Gaming scene? Welcome to the Realm of Hype |
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Now, one thing I'm really sick of is H-Y-P-E.
Most of the games shipped recently are highly over-rated.
Take Half-life 2, with astonishing graphics but crappy story and monotonous gameplay. Admit it, single player in Call of Duty was far more intriguing. I'm not a fan of the "OMFG!!!! OMFG!!!! LOOK AT THAT, I SHOT HIM AND HE FELL OFF THE LEDGE, IT WAS SOOOOO REALISTIC!!!! IT LOOKED KINDA REAL!!! OMFG THIS GAME IS AWESOME" rag-doll feeling, so Hl2 didn't impress me much. It was over-hyped, short, with an mp mod (deathmatch) which was hilarious at best. CS:source was good (identical to the old one, though), but I'd prefer not to talk about the horrible steam system. And, well, I won't talk about the countless bugs in the game either. You could say I'm indulgent.
Take Brother in Arms. A Call of Duty clone tactical-based in which enemies respawn at their pleasure, and your aim is incredibly inaccurate. I couldn't help but wonder....how is it possible that I shoot so bad while rushing? If the enemy is exactly in front of me, 6 feet distant, how can I possibly miss WITH EVERY SINGLE SHOT OF MY RIFLE? Of course it is a rhetorical question: it's the way the game tells you "hey, this is a tactical game! you shouldn't rush, but walk slowly while crouched, flank the Germans and then shoot them".
Brilliant. I want ot thank IGN for giving them 9.1. Maybe they meant that the developers needed to be kicked in the ass 9.1 times. I hope so.
Take Prince of Persia 2. The Prince is now a sort of stereotypical dark hero with a voice so rough you wonder if he's smoked Marlboro Red since the age of four. It hasn't even improved a bit: more fights, less platforming, and if you die you have to repeat parts of the game over and over. Graphics are not so impressive as they were in POP: Sands of Time. Too hyped.
Thanks god, not everything is lost. There are still good games like WOW, SC: Chaos Theory, KOTOR 2 (if u can ignore the bugs), The Sims 2, RTW.
Still, I have the impression that customers are more and more often annihilated by the hype, which is a dangerous thing because it lowers the expected quality standard of games.
Supporting shit means that software houses will program and sell shit, on a vast scale.
I hope I'm not starting some flame war this time...but if I am, well, let it be a spectacular one. 
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Posted: Sat, 26th Mar 2005 17:44 Post subject: |
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Half life 2 wasn't hype I found it to be a great game. Not everyone likes the same thing so to say the hype around it was wrong then that is just your opinion. Also since your hear I am guessing you don't buy many if any games so hype should really pose no relivance in your life. I think your mad about "hype" is because you have been a sucker to it many many times. Let it go dude hype sells games and that is what they are here for to be sold.
"Don't believe the hype"
oh and if you start a flame war it will be a closed one before anything else
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Posted: Sat, 26th Mar 2005 17:48 Post subject: |
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psychoace wrote: | Half life 2 wasn't hype I found it to be a great game. Not everyone likes the same thing so to say the hype around it was wrong then that is just your opinion. Also since your hear I am guessing you don't buy many if any games so hype should really pose no relivance in your life. I think your mad about "hype" is because you have been a sucker to it many many times. Let it go dude hype sells games and that is what they are here for to be sold.
"Don't believe the hype"
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agree but hl2 was overhypted !!!
there are a lot of better games in my opinion !!!
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Posted: Sat, 26th Mar 2005 18:00 Post subject: |
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I believed HL2 would be an amusing gaming experience and I got that and Im aint complaining.
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Posted: Sat, 26th Mar 2005 18:02 Post subject: |
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hl2 got so damn hyped just because of the damn hackers who stole parts of the game. Its an ok game no more no less.
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Posted: Sat, 26th Mar 2005 18:10 Post subject: |
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swebarb wrote: | hl2 got so damn hyped just because of the damn hackers who stole parts of the game. Its an ok game no more no less. |
exactly !!!!!!

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Posted: Sat, 26th Mar 2005 18:23 Post subject: |
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Now realism and games is a fragile concept. I know you think: "Not hitting while rushing towards someone" is bad for realism.
But when you come to think of it, so is being able to sustain several shots (as you normally do in these games) and still being able to function as if you were at peak physique.
Or what about just being able to get shot several times? Anyone who has ever had any severe trauma know it's basically impossible to function, let alone run, shoot, or think properly.
The fact of the matter still is though, in a simulated computer world, where you're supposed to be alone vs. a certain number of foes, realism is already out the window. Anything you do from here will only be a way of trying to balance things out.
For instance, some think that putting a bunch of AI-controlled team mates will make things more believable... but then it's the scripted sequences that take away the realism of it all. Everyone behaves as a robot that is set to follow a sequence of scripted maneuvres.
Another part of it is modifying how weapons are handled. For instance; if we allow you to fight 10-20 enemies with armed rifles while you are ALONE, how can we still make this fun AND "sort of real"?
If you can sustain ridiculous amounts of damage (as ie. in BiA) and still be able to hit your target while running, you open the doors to a Rambo-factor that, while perhaps a tad bit realistic on a small scale (meaning, you can hit properly) would take away the realism on a large scale (1vs20 come on!).
I believe that as long as we have AI that think and reason in very boring ways, we will have this issue. I believe, as long as we are limited to a certain space in which both we and the AI can walk (set level boundries) there will be unrealistic components. I also believe that despite all these ... less real things, a game can be very very entertaining.
That's partly what I want in a game... entertainment.
The game that has achieved the best realism/fun-balance up to date is OPERATION FLASHPOINT, imho. Pity it's so outdated.
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Posted: Sat, 26th Mar 2005 18:44 Post subject: |
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I thought as a game HL2 was OK, but it DEFINATLY did not have "Next-Gen" Graphics like all the ads in magazines and such said.
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Posted: Sat, 26th Mar 2005 18:46 Post subject: |
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I agree with the mate who post this thread:
Hl2 was just another FPS with better gfx - that is all. Brothers In Arms for PC is actually a really horrible port, I personally prefer the COD franchise, realism or not ( BTW: I live in Israel, served in the army - I WANT A GAME TO BE FUN AND FAST PACED. NOT REALISITC).
But after all, opinion is just an opinion. Hype is essential for the publishers to sell the game, or any other product so just let them.
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Posted: Sat, 26th Mar 2005 18:47 Post subject: |
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psychoace wrote: | Also since your hear I am guessing you don't buy many if any games so hype should really pose no relivance in your life. |
I agree w/ that however trying an entire game for free is a perfect way to give an unbiased opinion of the game itself (not including the price). When $60 bucks comes into the matter, some people will either say, "This thing better be GOOD." and have ultra-high, mind-blowing expectations and be pissed once they find out the game is only mediocre. Then some will finish the mediocre game and say, "Wow! That was a great game!" to try and psychologically "tip the scale" if you will, to justify the $60 hole in their walllet.
Lots of game reviewers are sent copies of the game to be reviewed by the publisher. Notice PC Gamer only mentions price when good games at low-prices are reviewed and IGN and Gamespot rarely mention price.
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Posted: Sat, 26th Mar 2005 19:17 Post subject: |
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BIA was way to hyped up
It's way to short for one, controling tanks in a coordinated fashion is a bitch and its not all that realistic...I dont care if its scripted realism, as long as the game makes u feel as if ur taking part in the action IE: Call of Duty - crazzy amounts of confusion and hectic shit, played through it 4 times now + expansion and MOH Games...and for all the hype the storyline got for BIA, it was fuckin boring..MOH:PA had a much more dramatic feel...felt like they tried to reproduce MOH:PA in BIA and missed something...like urgency and interest.
I dunno
I hope the CoD franchise release another expansion or like Call of Duty: D-Day and shit
To be honest, all war games are starting to feel the same and I think I know why and it has nothing to do with gameplay and crap like that.
Most war games focus on an american perspective, which is ok...but christ, the americans only joined the war AFTER pearl harbour which was in either 41 or 42? war started in 39 i believe...The British and the Canadians were in there in Holland and alot of other eastern euro countries. Taking some missions from say ALL the allied countries would be interesting...CoD comes closest to achieving this i think
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Posted: Sat, 26th Mar 2005 20:00 Post subject: |
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More like we dont want crap. I remember I time when almost every single game I played regardless of what system it was on was at least good. Today thats not the case.
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Posted: Sat, 26th Mar 2005 20:10 Post subject: |
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Well one I said you guys are too picky as a joke. But two come on. If you think HL2, BiA, and Prince of Persia are crap you're too picky. I'm starting to get sick of you guys. Every time I come on here now I see people complaining over every single little tiny thing.
Oh about BiA. I haven't played the PC version so I don't know what the port is like. But I have the xbox version and love it. I think it's a great WW2 game and something different. I still like Call of Duty a little better though. I got rid of GTA: San Andreas (comes out for PC in June so I'll just download it) and Halo 2 (I find the Halo games highly overrated) towards BiA and I have no regret.
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Posted: Sat, 26th Mar 2005 20:26 Post subject: |
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i see games listed on the main page... and thats usually the first time i ever read the title... never check ign or them gamesites... shits way too hard to navigate and spammed with ads... so this hype never reaches me, and i like it that way... maybe yall should stop wishing for dev's to create the perfect game for your liking... cause it wont happen, and u know it
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Posted: Sat, 26th Mar 2005 20:31 Post subject: Re: Gaming scene? Welcome to the Realm of Hype |
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The Wronged wrote: | Now, one thing I'm really sick of is H-Y-P-E.
Most of the games shipped recently are highly over-rated.
Take Half-life 2, with astonishing graphics but crappy story and monotonous gameplay. Admit it, single player in Call of Duty was far more intriguing. I'm not a fan of the "OMFG!!!! OMFG!!!! LOOK AT THAT, I SHOT HIM AND HE FELL OFF THE LEDGE, IT WAS SOOOOO REALISTIC!!!! IT LOOKED KINDA REAL!!! OMFG THIS GAME IS AWESOME" rag-doll feeling, so Hl2 didn't impress me much. It was over-hyped, short, with an mp mod (deathmatch) which was hilarious at best. CS:source was good (identical to the old one, though), but I'd prefer not to talk about the horrible steam system. And, well, I won't talk about the countless bugs in the game either. You could say I'm indulgent. | When I bought HL2 I was impressed. I also got CS:S for free with it. Countless bugs? TBH most games do come out with the odd bug. No bugs in HL2 stopped the gameplay. Steam, I can't see what peoples problems are with it. I get new content through. No hunting it down, no installing new maps. I just let Steam update it while I get a drink. Easy. Yes occasionally it has bandwidth probs. But any gamw when you're playing it can have probs with high latence. Yet no one ever mentions that.
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Take Brother in Arms. A Call of Duty clone tactical-based in which enemies respawn at their pleasure, and your aim is incredibly inaccurate. I couldn't help but wonder....how is it possible that I shoot so bad while rushing? If the enemy is exactly in front of me, 6 feet distant, how can I possibly miss WITH EVERY SINGLE SHOT OF MY RIFLE? Of course it is a rhetorical question: it's the way the game tells you "hey, this is a tactical game! you shouldn't rush, but walk slowly while crouched, flank the Germans and then shoot them".
Brilliant. I want ot thank IGN for giving them 9.1. Maybe they meant that the developers needed to be kicked in the ass 9.1 times. I hope so.
| Brothers in Arms a clone of Call of Duty. Which planet did you just come from? I can't see how anyone can complain about the accuracy of the shooting in BIA. Sure they've not got it 100% right, but it's better than the railgun you have on most games. I prefer to think of BIA as a thinking mans COD, which is probably why you hate it.
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Take Prince of Persia 2. The Prince is now a sort of stereotypical dark hero with a voice so rough you wonder if he's smoked Marlboro Red since the age of four. It hasn't even improved a bit: more fights, less platforming, and if you die you have to repeat parts of the game over and over. Graphics are not so impressive as they were in POP: Sands of Time. Too hyped. | No comment never played it.
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Thanks god, not everything is lost. There are still good games like WOW, SC: Chaos Theory, KOTOR 2 (if u can ignore the bugs), The Sims 2, RTW.
Still, I have the impression that customers are more and more often annihilated by the hype, which is a dangerous thing because it lowers the expected quality standard of games. | WOW. Hehehe give me better graphics and the more adult audience of EQ2 thanks. I found WOW to be full of 1337 h4x0rz. In other words. 13 year old kids who talk shit all the time. Kotor2, strange how you manage to ignore the bugs there, where some of them are game destroying. Yet you can't with HL2.
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Supporting shit means that software houses will program and sell shit, on a vast scale.[\quote] Not true. Bad games have came out since the Atari console days. Theres still good games coming out now.
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Posted: Sat, 26th Mar 2005 20:38 Post subject: |
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And dont mind that the fatass gabe is sitting there raping you up the ass every time you run steam because of that great EULA.
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Posted: Sat, 26th Mar 2005 20:43 Post subject: |
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Show me software that doesn't have a licence. Most people ignore it and play the game anyway. Steam is no different.
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Posted: Sat, 26th Mar 2005 20:47 Post subject: |
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Your point is true to some extent, but have you actually bothered to read the steam EULA? It's pretty scary to think that thousands of people actually agree to that shit.
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Posted: Sat, 26th Mar 2005 21:05 Post subject: |
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Ignorance is bliss Mchart, a concept americans gladly live by.
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Posted: Sat, 26th Mar 2005 21:15 Post subject: |
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fisk wrote: | Ignorance is bliss Mchart, a concept americans gladly live by. |
I just love how this turned into Super Fun American Bashing Hour (c). Who even said anything about nationality? You're a discriminating cunt to generalize an entire continent of individuals. How's this- Everyone in <your country here> is a worthless piece of garbage. How do you like it? Not too much, i'd wager. Not to mention, some of the people in this very thread talk about reading the EULA and not agreeing with it, and they list their location inside the US. Guess you didn't notice?
I guess you're working on the assumption that only Americans skip the EULA without reading it? Give me a fucking break. Get over yourself. "Ooooh, i'm deep, and moody! I have insight! Look at my sig- i'm hard!" Please. Seriously.
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Posted: Sat, 26th Mar 2005 21:30 Post subject: |
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You think HL2 is garbage and Sims 2 is great? That's sad... really dude, sad as hell.
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Posted: Sat, 26th Mar 2005 21:32 Post subject: |
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teatrosatanico wrote: | You're a discriminating cunt to generalize an entire continent of individuals. |
Maybe I am, your irritation doesn't disprove my statement though.
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How's this- Everyone in <your country here> is a worthless piece of garbage.
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Now you're overinterpreting what I wrote, I never claimed ignorance is bad for instance.
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How do you like it? Not too much, i'd wager.
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I like it because it's true. I claim every american, and even every citizen on this planet is ignorant. Do you counter-argue that statement too?
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Not to mention, some of the people in this very thread talk about reading the EULA and not agreeing with it, and they list their location inside the US. Guess you didn't notice?
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So what?, This is not a counter-argument to my statement. I offered this as a backbone to Mchart understand why so many people agreed to the EULA. Seeing as the EULA really only applies to the country it was made in (good luck suing someone; in for instance Belize for breach of contract). The country it was made in was America, ergo (you should know the rest of this sentence).
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I guess you're working on the assumption that only Americans skip the EULA without reading it? Give me a fucking break. Get over yourself. |
Your guess is wrong. And thus your conclusion is null and void.
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Posted: Sat, 26th Mar 2005 21:35 Post subject: |
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Fisk, i'm pretty glad that you've come through for me and made an ass of yourself. Congratulations.
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Posted: Sat, 26th Mar 2005 21:51 Post subject: |
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Actually teatro. I'd say fisk got the better of you.
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