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Yeah, a dozen carefully picked photos vs an army of gun-wielding rednecks and psychos
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repo1
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Feb 2008 19:06 Post subject: |
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And how many gun owners have you met in real life? Are you saying that 50% of of the American homes are occupied by rednecks and psychos?
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ChinUp
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Anyone in possession of a firearm who isn't a member of a well trained local militia group is an armed enemy of the people. Go live on an island cowboy where your only a danger to yourself. As a citizen you have a duty to your fellow citizens, arming yourself against them is in total contradiction to that, you betray your fellows in the name of fear. Like a child who cannot comprehend civil duty in possession of a loaded weapon. Your scared of everyone, cant you see the problem with that, so sacred you want a gun to protect yourself from them out there, this is a serious problem you have.
repo1 its wing nuts like you who think killing people is justice & end up shooting up your workplace, family or local shopping mall in some misguided bid for justice, voting from the rooftops is totally brain dead, the act of a person who has totally lost sight of what being human is.
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Feb 2008 19:37 Post subject: |
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| repo1 wrote: | | Are you saying that 50% of of the American homes are occupied by rednecks and psychos? |
In so many words, yes... but since an image is worth 1000 words... 
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repo1
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Jenni
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Feb 2008 19:55 Post subject: |
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I'd be using the shotgun on that cat if it did that to my settee.
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Feb 2008 21:04 Post subject: |
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| ChinUp wrote: | Anyone in possession of a firearm who isn't a member of a well trained local militia group is an armed enemy of the people. Go live on an island cowboy where your only a danger to yourself. As a citizen you have a duty to your fellow citizens, arming yourself against them is in total contradiction to that, you betray your fellows in the name of fear. Like a child who cannot comprehend civil duty in possession of a loaded weapon. Your scared of everyone, cant you see the problem with that, so sacred you want a gun to protect yourself from them out there, this is a serious problem you have.
repo1 its wing nuts like you who think killing people is justice & end up shooting up your workplace, family or local shopping mall in some misguided bid for justice, voting from the rooftops is totally brain dead, the act of a person who has totally lost sight of what being human is. |
No, its simply a fact that some of us want to have a bit of protection lying around when someone breaks into our home, with the intent of robbery/rape/murder. A lot of people around here (Silicon Valley) own a gun, and most of them are educated, well-to-do liberals. And despite the fact that we own firearms, we are still a normal, functioning society, and not the inhuman monsters you make us out to be.
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ChinUp
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Feb 2008 22:04 Post subject: |
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tainted4ever .. To own a gun for your own protection is an admission of no confidence in the citizenry your supposed to have the courage to trust & serve. You want to have your cake & eat it.
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Jenni
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Feb 2008 22:10 Post subject: |
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I think it's common sense. Theres no way I'd live in America without owning a gun, unless I was in some kind of complex with security.
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Feb 2008 22:33 Post subject: |
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i agree you should have a gun in home for self defense. it's normal. with licence of course.
used to own couple of colts and sold them when i was something like 15-16
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Feb 2008 22:43 Post subject: |
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If you own a gun in the states without being a part of the local national guard you are operating outside of the intents & purposes of those who founded America. They founded a nation where the people held a solemn duty to each others liberty. Owning a gun in the name of insecurity rather than public duty is poison to liberty.
"For a people who are free, and whom mean to remain so, a well-organized and armed militia is their best security." Thomas Jefferson
Like I said you want all the power & none of the responsibility. Its that kind of mentality that creates the lawlessness that promotes the insecurity your using now to justify your willingness to arm yourself against your own people.
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Feb 2008 22:58 Post subject: |
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Maybe so ChinUp. But for guns in the states the cat is out of the bag now. To bring out measures to outlaw fire arms there now just wouldn't work.
I'm happy that theres very few firearms in the UK and that suits me. But when I lived in Florida my husband had a gun in the place we lived. I didn't like having a gun in the house and neither did he. Although he was comfortable with it, I wasn't.
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Feb 2008 23:04 Post subject: |
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| ChinUp wrote: | | tainted4ever .. To own a gun for your own protection is an admission of no confidence in the citizenry your supposed to have the courage to trust & serve. |
Of course I have no confidence in them. 10% of them are criminals in prison. Even more outside of jail are illegal immigrants or impoverished inner city kids looking for a quick buck or some fun. They have guns. They break into my house. What am I supposed to do, lay down and let them fuck my sister at gunpoint while they haul my plasma out of my house and execute my father in the bathroom? Cus stuff like that happens here. So, no thanks, the only person I would like to trust is myself and my gun. I'm not a criminal, or a psycho. I'm a normal person. And there are millions like me who keep guns for the exact same purpose.
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Like I said you want all the power & none of the responsibility. Its that kind of mentality that creates the lawlessness that promotes the insecurity your using now to justify your willingness to arm yourself against your own people.
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No, it's not my mentality. I'm a law abiding citizen. The people who promote lawlessness and insecurity are criminals. Unlike in Europe, it is quite easy for our criminals to acquire guns here. So should all the law abiding citizens in the US let all the criminals walk over them just because the criminals have guns? No, we too will have guns, and we will use them if need be. As long as we use our guns for lawful purposes, there is no reason not to own one.
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Like I said you want all the power & none of the responsibility.
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And what responsibility is there? The guns are out of reach of children, and are never brought out into the open or wantonly used. I have never used the gun for any illegal or unsafe purpose. What other responsibility is there?
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"For a people who are free, and whom mean to remain so, a well-organized and armed militia is their best security." Thomas Jefferson.
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I believe that he was talking about a nation who wants to free itself from their oppressive government. I fear that has nothing to do with law enforcement, and so I don't see why you brought that quote up.
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ChinUp
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repo1
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Feb 2008 23:56 Post subject: |
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You mean that "united team" were no one trusts each other enough to feel comfortable with them having guns at home? Sort of contradicts itself don't you think? It's a culture of fear and distrust of your neighbor.
I'd rather be an individualist because that's how god made me. If he wanted me to be in a team he would have made me an ant.
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| Posted: Sun, 24th Feb 2008 00:05 Post subject: |
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| ChinUp wrote: | | repo1 wrote: | You mean that "united team" were no one trusts each other enough to feel comfortable with them having guns at home? Sort of contradicts itself don't you think? It's a culture of fear and distrust of your neighbor.
I'd rather be an individualist because that's how god made me. If he wanted me to be in a team he would have made me an ant. |
 I knew it .. superstitious bible head. Join the local guard worm, learn the responsibility of owning a gun in protection of your peoples liberty. Owning a gun for your own protection is nothing but an admission that you have given up on yourself & on your nation . |
I haven't given up on myself, but I have given up on any chance of my local government fixing the crime problem. Does this mean I have given up on the nation? Absolutely not. Some things about it suck, but some things about it are great. One of the things that sucks is the ready availability of firearms for our criminals. Because of this, I too own a firearm. Does this destabilize the nation in any way? No. The people doing the destabilization are the criminals, not me. They are not part of the team. I am. So, the fault is not with me for owning a gun, as you are attempting to make it seem, but with the criminals who use guns to their own advantage.
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Think about it, unless you know how to operate as a team, any intelligent attacking force can get you to shoot each other for them. Mad
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But I don't shoot people that don't harm me. So, how can some foreign power convince me to shoot everyone around me, if I have no reason to?
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| Posted: Sun, 24th Feb 2008 00:11 Post subject: |
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Its called crossfire, something that takes training to learn how to avoid . tainted4ever I do understand where your coming from its just that you have placed yourself in the criminals shoes, even thou what your doing is legal .
Think about the motives behind criminal gun ownership . Think about what law abiding citizens behaving like scared criminals serves those who capitalize on protection rackets .. You are smart, you know how protection racket & extortion works. think
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| Posted: Sun, 24th Feb 2008 00:16 Post subject: |
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| ChinUp wrote: | Its called crossfire, something that takes training to learn how to avoid . tainted4ever I do understand where your coming from its just that you have placed yourself in the criminals shoes, even thou what your doing is legal .
Think about the motives behind criminal gun ownership . |
A crossfire is kind of hard to achieve if you're the only one on your side with a gun.
I have not placed myself in the shoes of a criminal, because I am not a criminal. I know what a criminal will do, and I know what will happen if he succeeds. Because of this, I own a gun.
The motives behind criminal gun ownership are to inspire fear and make it easy to overpower your prey. However, if I(the prey) also have a gun, he'll have a much harder time of it. And that is why I own a gun. Without a gun, I would have no chance, and would be prone to having all sorts of horrible things happen to me.
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ChinUp
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| Posted: Sun, 24th Feb 2008 00:18 Post subject: |
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Try & think about the difference between owning a gun in the name of community service & owning one in the name of personal gain.
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| Posted: Sun, 24th Feb 2008 00:21 Post subject: |
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| ChinUp wrote: | | Try & think about the difference between owning a gun in the name of community service & owning one in the name of personal gain. |
Personal gain? You make it sound like I'm some sort of mercenary. The only thing I gain from owning a gun is protection, just like a burglar system. Nothing else.
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Yes protection, thats just what you have a gun for, I'm sorry you are so isolated that you need to stand alone.
gangsters paradise.
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| Posted: Sun, 24th Feb 2008 00:27 Post subject: |
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| ChinUp wrote: | | Yes protection, thats just what you have a gun for, I'm sorry you are so isolated that you need to stand alone. |
Unfortunately that is the sort of society I live in, and there is nothing I can do about it. I doubt there is anything anyone can do about it as a matter of fact (I'm thinking in practical terms here).
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yes i understand that, the trouble is it destroys solidarity. The only real enemy of tyrants. Do you understand what I mean by gangsters paradise ?
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| Posted: Sun, 24th Feb 2008 00:50 Post subject: |
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| ChinUp wrote: | | yes i understand that, the trouble is it destroys solidarity. The only real enemy of tyrants. Do you understand what I mean by gangsters paradise ? |
I have no idea what you're talking about =/
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tainted4ever .. do you admire gangsters ?
repo1 .. do you realize how many people get shot with their own gun ?
I swear folks actually look into criminal records, look into what crimes actually occur & how they are perpetrated. The best security is a close knit community. Always has bin always will be. You want security set up a neighborhood watch & stick to it vigilantly, you want a gun join the local guard even in a technical capacity.
I've living in many US cities & in red neck city north west & south west US plus hitchhiked all over the states & Europe. Don't imagine I'm some fool who is making shit up, the most secure folks are the ones who pull their finger out & band together ..
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tainted4ever .. do you admire gangsters ?
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I swear folks actually look into criminal records, look into what crimes actually occur & how they are perpetrated. The best security is a close knit community. Always has bin always will be.
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I have looked into those records. 80% of the crimes here are perpetrated by people outside of the city. Some people come all the way from Oakland to perpetrate crimes here.
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