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Cohen




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PostPosted: Mon, 17th Mar 2008 20:11    Post subject: stealing internet
Just thought id ask if anyone else does this.. im currently connected via airport on macbook to some schmuck in my area with a non-passworded wireless connection Laughing Its pretty uber compared to mine.


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CaptainCox
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PostPosted: Mon, 17th Mar 2008 20:14    Post subject:
I dont do it personally, but a guy at work have exactly the same situation as you in his house. I guess some ppl are not really in to computer stuff...gullible fools




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Cohen




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PostPosted: Mon, 17th Mar 2008 20:16    Post subject:
Im so tempted to cancel my ISP and just leech, there is at least 5 connectable hosts in the area Laughing


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nouseforaname
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PostPosted: Mon, 17th Mar 2008 20:20    Post subject:
now now, it's called "borrowing" Wink


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PostPosted: Mon, 17th Mar 2008 20:32    Post subject:
It's common thing here in buildings where many have wireless... If they are totally dumb and can't protect (or even read about it) their connection it's their fault... I support it!! Smile


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PostPosted: Mon, 17th Mar 2008 20:56    Post subject:
friend of mine brought his laptop and while i was checking for updates i realized that his laptop is not connected to my router [i got wired] so he enjoyed his free inet for couple of hours Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon, 17th Mar 2008 21:23    Post subject:
The only place where there's signal from neighbour's router is the privy and bathroom. So I watch TV on PDA or play Medal of Honor 2 on PSP online while taking a good long dump. Of course I have my own router two but it's so satisfying to steal a few megs of bandwidth Very Happy


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PostPosted: Mon, 17th Mar 2008 21:25    Post subject:
i steal in a completely different way used to have blueyonder but it was crappy so the subscription got canceld then they took all the stuff from downstairs but the upsairs is still conected still goin 2/3 years later the company has even been sold and bought---YAY
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PostPosted: Mon, 17th Mar 2008 23:51    Post subject:
Just remember who ever owns it can see all the passwords and stuff you send through it.
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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Mar 2008 00:31    Post subject:
Exactly. I setup open wireless networks when bored to just see how perverted my neighbours are
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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Mar 2008 00:39    Post subject:
I don't do it, and wouldn't. Just because of what repo! said. Passwords and such. Too open.
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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Mar 2008 01:59    Post subject:
Is it ok to not use WPA and WEP and just stick to MAC-Adress-filtering?
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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Mar 2008 02:04    Post subject:
TesterWS wrote:
Is it ok to not use WPA and WEP and just stick to MAC-Adress-filtering?

That's what I have been doing. Pretty safe, but I guess a dedicated hacker could do some elaborate MAC address spoofing. Possible but highly improbable. If someone manages that, he can share my connection any day Very Happy
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Cohen




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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Mar 2008 02:23    Post subject:
how can they see passwords etc.. what kind of passwords?

Cos if thats so, is 'he' gonna have my msn details or what?

Surely your not gonna notice someone borrowing it if they dont cause you serious lag..


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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Mar 2008 02:26    Post subject:
i leave my router wide open so i can connect to the persons computer and harvest all there credit card and banking details.
they all gotta pay for the internet somehow Laughing
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Cohen




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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Mar 2008 02:32    Post subject:
in theory though they cant really get anything unless they hack into you.. and the chances of an XP user or vista user hacking into a MAC based system = fail/near impossible right?


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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Mar 2008 03:58    Post subject:
If there is NO protection (not even MAC-Adress) than it's almost so as if your pc's are connected via LAN-Cable.

A personal Firewall should be enough Smile
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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Mar 2008 04:10    Post subject:
any of you guys believe in the community spirit of sharing internet? Razz

A couple years ago I piggybacked someone's internet for a few months, when I moved and got my own connection I left my wireless open for a couple months in the interest of karma and whatnot. There are even people who publicly advertise a shared (free) wireless connection in the city in the interest of sharing info whilst fucking greedy ISPs (which = Rogers here)...


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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Mar 2008 04:12    Post subject:
Vodka-Redbull wrote:
The only place where there's signal from neighbour's router is the privy and bathroom. So I watch TV on PDA or play Medal of Honor 2 on PSP online while taking a good long dump. Of course I have my own router two but it's so satisfying to steal a few megs of bandwidth Very Happy


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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Mar 2008 04:33    Post subject:
nouseforaname wrote:
any of you guys believe in the community spirit of sharing internet? Razz

A couple years ago I piggybacked someone's internet for a few months, when I moved and got my own connection I left my wireless open for a couple months in the interest of karma and whatnot. There are even people who publicly advertise a shared (free) wireless connection in the city in the interest of sharing info whilst fucking greedy ISPs (which = Rogers here)...

no because if someone uses your internet to do anything illegal its you who ends up without an ISP.

i dont mean just hacking someone could use your wifi to port scan etc and your isp would be very angry
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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Mar 2008 04:54    Post subject:
snop1050 wrote:
nouseforaname wrote:
any of you guys believe in the community spirit of sharing internet? Razz

A couple years ago I piggybacked someone's internet for a few months, when I moved and got my own connection I left my wireless open for a couple months in the interest of karma and whatnot. There are even people who publicly advertise a shared (free) wireless connection in the city in the interest of sharing info whilst fucking greedy ISPs (which = Rogers here)...

no because if someone uses your internet to do anything illegal its you who ends up without an ISP.

i dont mean just hacking someone could use your wifi to port scan etc and your isp would be very angry


besides all the bullshit people have the capacity to share internet whilst simultaneously fucking ISPs ... it's called being a decent human Wink too bad "decent human" is such a crap shoot :/


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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Mar 2008 04:55    Post subject:
TesterWS wrote:
Is it ok to not use WPA and WEP and just stick to MAC-Adress-filtering?
MAC filtering can be easily spoofed (e.g. SMAC), WEP is weak and can be cracked in minutes (e.g. aircrack). I would not go for anything less than WPA2 (or WPA) with a decent key.
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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Mar 2008 09:11    Post subject:
nouseforaname wrote:
any of you guys believe in the community spirit of sharing internet? Razz

A couple years ago I piggybacked someone's internet for a few months, when I moved and got my own connection I left my wireless open for a couple months in the interest of karma and whatnot. There are even people who publicly advertise a shared (free) wireless connection in the city in the interest of sharing info whilst fucking greedy ISPs (which = Rogers here)...


Yah, this is where I see P2P going. We'd have neighbour hood fast wireless networks, and a couple nerds on each street sharing their load of 20tb of warez! MPAA coudln't stop that, short of driving round and dector vans ala tv license people.

I have two connections, I'd keep my 2mbit open but I'm worried about the legal liability :-/
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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Mar 2008 12:02    Post subject:
$en$i wrote:
TesterWS wrote:
Is it ok to not use WPA and WEP and just stick to MAC-Adress-filtering?
MAC filtering can be easily spoofed (e.g. SMAC), WEP is weak and can be cracked in minutes (e.g. aircrack). I would not go for anything less than WPA2 (or WPA) with a decent key.


But don't they need my MAC Adress for this?

Further when I used WPA my router died once in a while Sad And without WPA my connections seems faster.
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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Mar 2008 12:23    Post subject:
Only reason why I wouldn't 'borrow' Very Happy anybody's internet connection is that I don't know what that person is downloading from the net. Sounds strange saying that here but there are worse things than downloading warez and if that person were to get caught then anyone else on that connection would have a tough time proving his/her innocence.
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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Mar 2008 15:41    Post subject:
swingman wrote:
Only reason why I wouldn't 'borrow' Very Happy anybody's internet connection is that I don't know what that person is downloading from the net. Sounds strange saying that here but there are worse things than downloading warez and if that person were to get caught then anyone else on that connection would have a tough time proving his/her innocence.
good point and another reason why i will never leave my router open, to many pedos out there! on the news when the shannon girl went missing they were saying there were 1000+ pedos (on record) within a few mile radius i wonder how many live near you!
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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Mar 2008 15:47    Post subject:
My old room mate is trying to setup a wireless mesh network for free wireless in a small city outside of calgary.

Same concept as people has stated above. A large group of wireless routers, advertised and shared among an even larger group.

If the connection is open, i say use it.


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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Mar 2008 15:48    Post subject:
snop1050 wrote:
swingman wrote:
Only reason why I wouldn't 'borrow' Very Happy anybody's internet connection is that I don't know what that person is downloading from the net. Sounds strange saying that here but there are worse things than downloading warez and if that person were to get caught then anyone else on that connection would have a tough time proving his/her innocence.
good point and another reason why i will never leave my router open, to many pedos out there! on the news when the shannon girl went missing they were saying there were 1000+ pedos (on record) within a few mile radius i wonder how many live near you!

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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Mar 2008 16:23    Post subject:
People that run on unprotected networks should try hamster and ferret, pretty useful apps. Getting passwords via unprotected wireless isn't super easy unless the site you/they use doesn't have any encryption. Hamster and ferret allow you to grab their session cookie and use that yourself to log into their accounts.


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