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ChinUp
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There are alot of things, science can't answer.
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Cohen
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ChinUp
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nouseforaname
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Cohen
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| Posted: Thu, 3rd Jul 2008 02:34 Post subject: |
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OMG
it was a beautiful day here. Hot but not too hot. I don't 2 shits about religion atm but I would really love some wine I like red chilled, and white with 7-up.
*wishes she had some visits from people with wine* <-- but on the flip side I DON'T need the calories.
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| Posted: Thu, 3rd Jul 2008 02:36 Post subject: |
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I am starting to think you are all alcoholics, there are more threads about drinking on these boards.
Read not to contradict and confute, nor to believe and take for granted, but to weigh and consider.
To the world you may be one person, but to one person you may be the world.
In all your remembering, remember that you have choices
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| Posted: Thu, 3rd Jul 2008 02:52 Post subject: |
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Cohen
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| Posted: Thu, 3rd Jul 2008 03:22 Post subject: |
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shut up you silly muffin
cockcockcockcockcockcockcockcockcockcockcockcock
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Jenni
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| Posted: Thu, 3rd Jul 2008 03:40 Post subject: |
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It's a British Tricolour.
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| Posted: Thu, 3rd Jul 2008 09:16 Post subject: |
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Except for philosophy majors, who really cares? Being a moron and sharing your views about religion are not mutual exclusive.
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ChinUp
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| Posted: Thu, 3rd Jul 2008 10:08 Post subject: |
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| ChinUp wrote: | | Praetori wrote: | | Except for philosophy majors, who really cares? Being a moron and sharing your views about religion are not mutual exclusive. |
So being able to be objective about reality is only for people who study other peoples philosophies ? I can tell lots of thought went into that post ..
This is what pisses me off, people don't think for themselves, they just defer their choices & judgments onto other people. When it comes to matters of fact, thats wise, in regards to everything else its deeply self destructive. Plus it makes conversation boring & repetitive !! |
Most people don't have a choice in that matter after having being fed a bunch of fairy tales by their parents. Only when parents stop brain-washing their children will we have a true choice of belief. Till that time it's not going to be easy telling your parents/community that you no longer wish to follow the rules that they have been following from day one. Not very hard to imagine what happens to people who choose to do so.
And besides people don't just throw away their whole belief system in the face of logic especially when that system entails more than just religious faith. It's like a social security system (in close-knit communities) that people don't dare to give up out of fear. And even people who are not in some way dependant on their community need to keep on believing in this, the last fairy tale after all the other fairy tales like Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, Tooth Fairy, etc have been discarded. Funny thing is that people don't mind when children stop believing in those constructs. But you can't take away a man's faith in the last fairy tale. It's like taking away his whole being or essence or reason for existence whereas the truth is that it is only then that man really begins to think for himself.
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| Posted: Thu, 3rd Jul 2008 10:18 Post subject: |
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| ChinUp wrote: | | Praetori wrote: | | Except for philosophy majors, who really cares? Being a moron and sharing your views about religion are not mutual exclusive. |
So being able to be objective about reality is only for people who study other peoples philosophies ? I can tell lots of thought went into that post ..
This is what pisses me off, people don't think for themselves, they just defer their choices & judgments onto other people. When it comes to matters of fact, thats wise, in regards to everything else its deeply self destructive. Plus it makes conversation boring & repetitive !!
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But why does it piss you off? Can't you be happy for yourself that you seemingly are not a sheep? If it pisses you off as much as you say it does, you might have bigger innate problems that you need to solve. Relax and be happy. It's not worth it trying to convince everybody, especially on a forum.
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ChinUp
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ChinUp
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| Posted: Thu, 3rd Jul 2008 11:37 Post subject: |
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| swingman wrote: | | And you, too much. |
Is their such a thing as too much faith in people ? Is it ever wise to stop having faith in peoples ability to break out of their self imposed limitations ? Would you have us give up & live in despair ?
"Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in & out of favor." ~ Frost
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| Posted: Thu, 3rd Jul 2008 11:42 Post subject: |
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| ChinUp wrote: | | swingman wrote: | | And you, too much. |
Is their such a thing as too much faith in people ? Is it ever wise to stop having faith in peoples ability to break out of their self imposed limitations ? Would you have us give up & live in despair ? |
Yes, when you see evidence that only points to the contrary and change seems to be process slower than evolution itself.
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ChinUp
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| Posted: Thu, 3rd Jul 2008 11:51 Post subject: |
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ChinUp
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| Posted: Thu, 3rd Jul 2008 12:03 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Thu, 3rd Jul 2008 12:12 Post subject: |
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[quote="ChinUp"] | swingman wrote: |
| Praetori wrote: | | But why does it piss you off? Can't you be happy for yourself that you seemingly are not a sheep? If it pisses you off as much as you say it does, you might have bigger innate problems that you need to solve. Relax and be happy. It's not worth it trying to convince everybody, especially on a forum. |
Your ineptitude limits my potential. My ineptitude limits your potential. We are tangled up in each others lives, there is no avoiding it. Denying it & hiding under the bed pretending we are islands untouched by other peoples mistakes is plain foolish. A team is only as strong as its weakest link. Like it or not we are a team. |
I don't mind. In fact I applaud your persistence in a way. Still, I don't think you'll reach many people over an internet forum. Especially since your style of explaining certainly does not explain anything to people of average intelligence, let alone the lowest common denominator.
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ChinUp
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ChinUp
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| Posted: Thu, 3rd Jul 2008 12:40 Post subject: |
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| ChinUp wrote: | | swingman wrote: | | Well, I am not the one who goes around calling people a burden when their view of the world does not exactly match mine. |
You only think there is one way to be alive & awake ? What is it that makes you think like this, like you have no choice but to follow or lead ? have you no concept of self government ? |
In my opinion, people would rather follow the herd than swim upstream.
| ChinUp wrote: | | swingman wrote: | | And I do admit that convincing people to give up their belief system is no different than missionaries trying to 'spread the word'. You're just replacing one imposed system with another and true change if it is to happen must come from within. |
So to you a cup filled by others & a cup filled by yourself is no different ? |
Where did I say that? We seem to be having trouble communicating despite using the same language. Okay, I'll try one more time.
What I meant above is that change initiated from within (the person) is true change as opposed to someone telling me to change. Using your analogy, I don't think that a cup filled by myself is the same as being given a filled cup.
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ChinUp
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| Posted: Thu, 3rd Jul 2008 12:58 Post subject: |
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can someone sum up this topic in one paragraph there is too much text.
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epic drunk thread started by chinup is epic.
