I know what happened at Baghdad Airport
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compubrain3000




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PostPosted: Sun, 6th Jul 2008 16:28    Post subject: I know what happened at Baghdad Airport
If you remember at the start of the Iraq war, the Americans dropped paratroopers into Baghdad Airport. The Iraqi Information Minister kept saying that we have a surprise in store for them and the next day he said that they have been all "slaughtered".

Baghdad fell and the story was forgotten.

But today i was told by an Egyptian military intelligence officer that Al-Sahaf was actually telling the truth. He said that the Iraqi army killed killed all of the attacking forces at the airport.

According to him, the Iraqis showered the entire airport with water and connected high voltage power cables, electrocuting the forces inside, which numbered in the hundreds.

Again, this is something that i can't prove, but this is the internet, so who cares Wink

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BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Casting a vastly different picture than the U.S. military Saturday, Iraqi Information Minister Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf denied reports that U.S. Army and Marine forces were in the Iraqi capital, saying the Americans were playing tricks.

A U.S. Central Command spokesman said Saturday that U.S. forces had moved into the heart of Baghdad from the south and the southeast, a day after securing the airport, west of the Iraqi capital.

Al-Sahaf denied that report, saying the Republican Guard has control of Saddam International Airport after fighting a fierce battle.

"Today we slaughtered them in the airport. They are out of Saddam International Airport," al-Sahaf said. "The force that was in the airport, this force was destroyed."

Capt. Frank Thorp, spokesman for U.S. Central Command, called the claim "groundless," saying "there is sporadic fighting at the airport."

"We have heard these reports from the minister of information, which are, quite frankly, groundless," he said. "This is the same minister of information who yesterday was saying that coalition forces were approximately 100 kilometers away from the city."

Central Command said U.S. forces secured the airport, about 11 miles [17 kilometers] southwest of the city center, on Friday and renamed it Baghdad International Airport.

Calling them "miserable villains" and "racist mercenaries," al-Sahaf painted a bleak picture of the fate of American troops at the airport.

"Their casualties and bodies are many. Their equipment and vehicles, several were destroyed," he said. "They are still trying to bomb with artillery and [rocket-propelled grenades] to hit the Republican Guard who are controlling Saddam International Airport."

Al-Sahaf said he would take reporters to the airport later in the day, after it was cleaned up.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/04/05/sprj.irq.sahaf/
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PostPosted: Sun, 6th Jul 2008 16:36    Post subject:
I don't get it, soaking a whole airport in water (indoors I guess) Wouldn't that smell like a trap for a crack elite unit...fighting in the desert???
And I am not sure that the concept is plausible from a technical point of view. Sounds like something you would see in a B Hollywood film or something.

Mr.Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf "job" was to lie till he dropped.




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haha.. Did Rambo pop out and finnish the survivors off with his bow and arrow? Laughing


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compubrain3000




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PostPosted: Sun, 6th Jul 2008 17:21    Post subject:
CaptainCox wrote:
I don't get it, soaking a whole airport in water (indoors I guess) Wouldn't that smell like a trap for a crack elite unit...fighting in the desert???


It was supposed to be a trap, and they were surrounded by Iraqi forces.

Anyway, this is what i heard.
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PostPosted: Sun, 6th Jul 2008 17:23    Post subject:
Well even if it's the truth the American propaganda machine has done a better job then Iraqis and almost no one will believe it.


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PostPosted: Sun, 6th Jul 2008 17:43    Post subject:
Its not true. We could never hide the fact that hundreds of men went missing at once with out giving some explanation. I will admit the Army by orders does however delay the announcement of fallen soldiers on already bloody months and release it the next month if possible. But a scene this large would be to hard to cover up.
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PostPosted: Sun, 6th Jul 2008 17:56    Post subject:
NuclearShadow wrote:
Its not true. We could never hide the fact that hundreds of men went missing at once with out giving some explanation. I will admit the Army by orders does however delay the announcement of fallen soldiers on already bloody months and release it the next month if possible. But a scene this large would be to hard to cover up.


I don't think that it would be hard to cover up, considering that Baghdad fell the next day.

Such an announcement would take away from the "victory".
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PostPosted: Sun, 6th Jul 2008 18:59    Post subject:
compubrain3000 wrote:
NuclearShadow wrote:
Its not true. We could never hide the fact that hundreds of men went missing at once with out giving some explanation. I will admit the Army by orders does however delay the announcement of fallen soldiers on already bloody months and release it the next month if possible. But a scene this large would be to hard to cover up.


I don't think that it would be hard to cover up, considering that Baghdad fell the next day.

Such an announcement would take away from the "victory".


What about the families of these soldiers? You think the government could have shut them up?
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PostPosted: Sun, 6th Jul 2008 19:09    Post subject:
X_Dror wrote:
What about the families of these soldiers? You think the government could have shut them up?


Do you really believe that every military death is reported by the media?
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PostPosted: Sun, 6th Jul 2008 19:11    Post subject:
They are still covering up the UFO stuff no? Wink
And if! and I stress if here, it happened, you could always just say missing in action at a later date etc, that's easily tampered with.


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PostPosted: Sun, 6th Jul 2008 19:14    Post subject:
Found this on the net.

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American troops seized parts of Baghdad's main airport, putting American forces within sight of the capital. For the first time since the war began, Baghdad's electricity was cut off, although it is not clear who was responsible. People in the city carried on as though it were a normal day, even though they could hear the rumble of American artillery nearby.

BAGHDAD IN THE DARK -- Much of Baghdad lost power. Lights blinked out, the Iraqi state television station went to black and most city services ceased operating. American military officials said they had not attacked the power grid and did not believe they were responsible. The city went dark shortly after Mr. Hussein's image appeared on television in what was described as a meeting held yesterday. But like other videotaped images of the Iraqi leaders shown since the war began, there was no way to establish when it had been taped.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A0CE2DB1738F937A35757C0A9659C8B63
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PostPosted: Sun, 6th Jul 2008 19:26    Post subject:
So... even IF the airport was showered with water and electricity was used, that means, that the troops had to lie down in the water. Standing in thin layer of water with boots does nothing even in case of high voltage (same as car tires and high voltage).


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PostPosted: Sun, 6th Jul 2008 19:28    Post subject:
More stuff from the net.

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Friday April 4th
1. Explosions outside Baghdad, circa 2130 hours (Eastern)
2. Report from Embed: shouts, explosions and automatic fire hitting the vehicle.
3. CNN military experts, including General Clark, in studio become pessimistic in
their analysis.
4. Larry King shouts “Oh, my God!” in studio, as images come in. (He apparently
forgot that his mike was on.) c. 2215 hours
5. Lieutenant Colonel Ferrell, the 3/7 Cavalry Commander, begins to cry in an
interview with CNN reporter Walter Rodgers. Rogers apparently had intended
to create the impression that all was going well at the airport and asked how
were the troops? c. 2230. (Rogers is close to tears, too.)
6. CNN report “Hundreds of reinforcements” rushing to airport. c. 2245 hours
7. Fox concurrently reports reinforcements to airport.
8. 3rd Division of the U.S. Army 7th Cavalry reported as on foray into Baghdad
9. Baghdad Bob says Iraqi forces control airport, have killed 300 US troops.

Saturday April 5th
10. Tape released of a jubilant Saddam Hussein (probably taken the day before
when US troops took the airport (and therefore stepped into a trap).
11. Pentagon cancels its 1230 (Eastern) briefing
12. Bush flies to Blair in England – stays Saturday and Sunday
13. CNN’s Aaron Brown says “There are things we can’t tell you now.”
14. Saturdary evening CNN Christiane Amanpour, in a panel discussion, hints
broadly that the Arab and American media don’t agree on the facts of ongoing
events.

Sunday April 6th
15. Sunday afternoon, c. 1900 (Eastern), a national conservative talk show host
with Clear Channel Communications (950 AM in Texas) mocks the Egyptian
newspaper figure of 200 American KIA at airport. After a commercial break he
stops mocking Arab media, and begins to hint that something terrible has
happened in Iraq and that we need to rally behind the President.

Monday April 8th
16. Shelling of Arab media in Baghdad (by U.S. forces).

Wednesday April 9th
17. In an interview: Aaron Brown asks: “Does the 3/7 feel safe?” Walter Rodgers
answers: “Lieut. Colonel Ferrell summed it up for the men when he said that
none of them would feel safe until they were home in Fort Stewart, Georgia.”

Other Broadcast Indicators
18. Wesley Clark leaves CNN, stressing his need to show himself “objective”
several times.
19. Middle East media broadly impugns integrity of US media.
20. Al Jazeera English site crashes. (I still haven’t been able to pull up its
archives for the weekend we took Baghdad.)
21. Multiple confirmations by international students at University of Houston
Honors College of massive US losses at airport.

http://sundaymag.ca/index.php?id=759
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PostPosted: Sun, 6th Jul 2008 19:37    Post subject:
compubrain3000 wrote:
X_Dror wrote:
What about the families of these soldiers? You think the government could have shut them up?


Do you really believe that every military death is reported by the media?


You think families of which their loved ones died by such a thing won't say a thing?
You can't shut them up when these things happen here, then I see no reason on why the US will shut them up on these matters.
You can't hide the death of 100 elite forces soldiers. There are too many people who'll say something.
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PostPosted: Sun, 6th Jul 2008 19:41    Post subject:
I think you dug up a bigger controversy there compubrain
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PostPosted: Sun, 6th Jul 2008 19:43    Post subject:
CaptainCox wrote:
I think you dug up a bigger controversy there compubrain
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I don't know about that, but i think that there definitely were large American casualties at the airport.
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PostPosted: Sun, 6th Jul 2008 19:46    Post subject:
Its 1st mentioned in the article you posted
http://sundaymag.ca/index.php?id=759
I guess one could argue that the use of such a weapon might have been triggered by "fierce" resistant...no? Wink


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PostPosted: Sun, 6th Jul 2008 20:19    Post subject:
X_Dror wrote:
compubrain3000 wrote:
X_Dror wrote:
What about the families of these soldiers? You think the government could have shut them up?


Do you really believe that every military death is reported by the media?


You think families of which their loved ones died by such a thing won't say a thing?
You can't shut them up when these things happen here, then I see no reason on why the US will shut them up on these matters.
You can't hide the death of 100 elite forces soldiers. There are too many people who'll say something.


The families aren't informed on which mission they are on. They could have been told that they died in other battles. In fact as a elite soldier you sign a contract which obligates you to secrecy.


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PostPosted: Sun, 6th Jul 2008 20:22    Post subject:
CaptainCox wrote:
Its 1st mentioned in the article you posted
http://sundaymag.ca/index.php?id=759
I guess one could argue that the use of such a weapon might have been triggered by "fierce" resistant...no? Wink


I know that it was in the article, but i have no idea if it's true or not.

The thing about the trap is true, if the Egyptian military intelligence is to be believed.
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PostPosted: Sun, 6th Jul 2008 20:25    Post subject:
If this happened the bodys that would be brought back wouldn't even have normal damage to the body. Certainly this would raise questions from many families. Now If I recall correctly the war started in March of 03. In none of the months of 03 did we lose over 100 men in a single month. The numbers couldn't have been carried over to the next month because it also failed to produce that many fatality's. Also remember that compubrain said that he was told "hundreds" so this doesn't mean 100 it means atleast 200. It couldn't have happened.

Also one damning thing would be if they didn't report it to the families ASAP they would have had to drag many of these deaths out for months before reporting them. The family's would know somethings wrong when not even a single letter is received from their loved one.
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PostPosted: Sun, 6th Jul 2008 20:32    Post subject:
NuclearShadow wrote:
If this happened the bodys that would be brought back wouldn't even have normal damage to the body. Certainly this would raise questions from many families. Now If I recall correctly the war started in March of 03. In none of the months of 03 did we lose over 100 men in a single month. The numbers couldn't have been carried over to the next month because it also failed to produce that many fatality's. Also remember that compubrain said that he was told "hundreds" so this doesn't mean 100 it means atleast 200. It couldn't have happened.

Also one damning thing would be if they didn't report it to the families ASAP they would have had to drag many of these deaths out for months before reporting them. The family's would know somethings wrong when not even a single letter is received from their loved one.


I don't really believe in "official" death tolls.
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PostPosted: Sun, 6th Jul 2008 20:35    Post subject:
Comedy thread of the year?????
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PostPosted: Sun, 6th Jul 2008 20:54    Post subject:
gingerninjaaaaaa wrote:
Comedy thread of the year?????


Ever chat with an actual intelligence officer? You'll hear stuff much more amusing than this Wink
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PostPosted: Sun, 6th Jul 2008 21:24    Post subject:
He's not such a great intelligence officer if he's spreading classified information around.
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PostPosted: Sun, 6th Jul 2008 21:52    Post subject:
X_Dror wrote:
He's not such a great intelligence officer if he's spreading classified information around.


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PostPosted: Sun, 6th Jul 2008 22:27    Post subject:
There is a saying " The truth is the first victim in a war" . You have to be pretty naive to believe everything that's it's official. How many lies have we discovered until now.


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PostPosted: Sun, 6th Jul 2008 22:32    Post subject:
Sounds very unbelivable Razz


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PostPosted: Sun, 6th Jul 2008 23:00    Post subject:
A. Your "intelligence officer" is a dumbass for spreading classified intelligence like this.
B. You're an asshole for putting something that a friend or family shared with you on a fucking internet forum and, by doing so, breaking the trust that they put into you, as well as jeopardizing their job and safety.
C. WHO CARES? Does it give you a stiffy knowing that more men died before Iraq was defeated?


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PostPosted: Mon, 7th Jul 2008 01:21    Post subject:
compubrain3000 wrote:
gingerninjaaaaaa wrote:
Comedy thread of the year?????


Ever chat with an actual intelligence officer? You'll hear stuff much more amusing than this Wink


Yes I have of course I wouldn't take everything they have to say seriously. I once had a Naval intelligence officer tell me that the navy was given a job to collect random Americans DNA and to shoot it into space. I doubt many people would believe what he said and I sure the hell aren't one of them. The story doesn't make sense.


As for this event like I said they may let the death be reported next month if it occurred at the end of a already bloody month but this is something that can't be hidden.

Heres a list of US fatality's http://icasualties.org/oif/USDeaths.aspx

Now if someone isn't on a list such as this one and is certainly dead by the time their unit returns home it would make it damn obvious that something was wrong. You can't hide the death toll. You can delay it for a short time but thats about it. You don't think the spouses of these soldiers wouldn't notice something wrong when their husband/wife's unit returns with out them? They certainly would ask questions and no matter what answer or lack of was given the solider wouldn't be sending any letters or making any phone calls or anything. This would have happened at least 200 times according to you at the exact same time. It just couldn't have been hidden.

The officer whom you spoke to is either a fool who believes foolish rumors or is making bullshit up for whatever reason he may have.
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