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 Posted: Thu, 24th Jul 2008 15:16 Post subject: Absolutely unbelievable |
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Yet, what to expect from a nation that has repressed it's people since....ever.
http://www.nme.com/news/my-chemical-romance/38392
Now I don't like emo's but taking the freedom of expression just takes the piss.
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kalato
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| Posted: Thu, 24th Jul 2008 15:23 Post subject: |
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Takes your freedom away, If russia does release this law what other things will they come up with?
I like bum.
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ChinUp
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| Posted: Thu, 24th Jul 2008 15:29 Post subject: |
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I should imagine that it is a result of a misinformed government. Making 'emo' the scapegoat for neglecting what these people actually need.
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| Posted: Thu, 24th Jul 2008 15:34 Post subject: |
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Emos are just depressed kids anyway
but it shouldn't be illegal everyone has the right to express himself
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Thu, 24th Jul 2008 15:35 Post subject: |
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Just a question, since when did emo and goth become the same thing? goths are far different from emo kids
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Thu, 24th Jul 2008 15:44 Post subject: |
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| swingman wrote: | I think we understand the russian way of thinking just as well/badly as the russians understand the western trends making an appearance in their country. And when they don't understand it they fall back to what they do know and try to supress it.
For a very short time there was a hope that russia would be the new economic powerhouse like china but that's quickly fading. Ultra-nationalism (just another word for xenophobia), government protectionism, corporate blackmail, etc make it a less than pleasant place to be. Unless you like the weather. 
But the citizens themselves don't seem to mind the repression since they see it as asserting themselves to regain their 'lost glory'. Only worry is, how far are they willing to go and will the people as a whole see any of that 'glory'. |
Well, what exactly is Russian glory? |
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| Posted: Thu, 24th Jul 2008 15:56 Post subject: |
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| SycoShaman wrote: | | Well, what exactly is Russian glory? |
They were a super-power at one point competing in the moon-race and even when that ended they had a major presence in space. Then they were expanding their influence beyond even the iron curtain into africa and asia. Selling arms to any country that didn't want to allign itself with the US.
And then the system that they held to be perfect collapsed along with their economy. In came the arrogant (and expensive) consultants from the west telling them how to run things and they soon got tired of them. Now they're trying to do things their way which is still rooted in the soviet way of thinking but that is their prerogative. So I guess, all they're trying to do is regain their status.
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| Posted: Thu, 24th Jul 2008 16:35 Post subject: |
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I don't see whats wrong with this its what the Emo's would want. They like being depressed and this will give them a reason to be!
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| Posted: Thu, 24th Jul 2008 16:36 Post subject: |
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can't say I give a fuck about russians or emos so
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| Posted: Thu, 24th Jul 2008 16:45 Post subject: |
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I would say that article is bullshit. The only close-to-reality part is
| Quote: | | Legislation is currenting being formulated in Russia to heavily regulate emo websites and ban emo and goth dress style in schools and government buildings. |
Everything else in an article is a huge exaggeration. I frequent some underground sites and there is completely no news or even forum post regarding such "law".
Regarding regulating... The most popular sites, blogs are already being monitored there is nothing new here. By monitoring I mean for example some heavily depressed kid comes to forum and states he is going to commit suicide and is going to use the following pills. Folks starts to ask him what is wrong, you shouldn't do it etc. But then the "sympathizers" arrives. They start to recommend other pills and various combinations and offer to sell him the one he is missing. Time goes, kid dies. Now there is probability that every one(IP addresses) participating in the thread will be called to police as witnesses.
And with blogs here it is even worse. Bloggers practically have no liability for that they post. So they can and some really do manipulate public, influence market, Black PR companies etc.
So in my opinion here we need a law that makes people take liability for all unverified bullshit they blog.
Regarding ban emo and goth dress style in schools and government buildings. Well, even without a ban it is practically imposible to work for government and dress like a goth or emo. The best outcome is you will be given chance to "fix" yourself, the worse you will be fired  Although I have seen on TV some young scientists with green mohawks, I suppose their managers are not some old farts  so they are allowed to be corporate punks
And here comes the government schools... As of now they become a sad places, iron grilles on windows, metal detectors upon entry, a lot of syringes everywhere. Shit loads of emos, goths, punks, metalheads etc. With everyday they start to look more and more like scholl from Class 1999 movie My opinion here schools need to force uniforms and to some extend hairstyles upon pupils.
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| Posted: Thu, 24th Jul 2008 18:37 Post subject: |
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| SycoShaman wrote: | | Just a question, since when did emo and goth become the same thing? goths are far different from emo kids |
FINALLY!!
The so-called "emo style" (since when is a music genre a style?) is just a more modern and slightly modified version of the Goth-style.
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| Posted: Thu, 24th Jul 2008 18:39 Post subject: |
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| GeordieRacer wrote: | | I should imagine that it is a result of a misinformed government. Making 'emo' the scapegoat for neglecting what these people actually need. |
QFT
I don't think their government is misinformed tho, I think they know exactly what they are doing.
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| Posted: Fri, 25th Jul 2008 00:46 Post subject: |
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So, I have searched local news sites and found what is the law is going to be about. News articles were both dated 03 July 2008.
As I expected www.nme.com article turned out to be an exaggerated bullshit and nothing more
No one would ban emo and goth dress styles in here, you can do what you want and be whatever you want to be. The only problem on your way could be local chavs (гопники aka gopniki in here ) If there is going to be a law regulating dress style it would be regarding government stuff only aka the same stuff as the dress code in corporations / big companies and some medium ones.
Hell, we still don't have laws regarding kids at street in a nigh time. Some European countries, some states in USA and if I am not mistaken UK have curfews for kids aka they can't be on street for example after 23:00 alone, only with parents.
So the law proposing the following:
- Rating system for books, movies, games etc. As of now we don't have any. Rating will be 6+ years old, 12+ yo, 16+ yo and 18+ yo
- It would be ilegal to manufacture, import(for companies), sell toys(plastic, plush, etc) to kids(no age mentioned in news article) if the toy:
- provoke violence
- depict sexual actions
- justify actions of extremism and crime life style
- depict horror and intolerant pain ( WTF !? )
- based on combination of psychological incompatible things for example sugar candy in the form of skeleton, plush toys depicting various viruses and bacteria (Hahaha this one wins the prize for sure WTF are they smoking ? )
- curfew for kids from 22:00 - 06:00
- profanity filter for SMS(For pupils only, but I think will take on everyone under 18 yo)
- It would be ilegal in schools to celebrate "borrowed" holidays and holidays non benefiting to Russian culture. for example Halloween, Valentine's Day ( Well, we have our own Halloween replacement, and it is very good for kids to dig our own culture especially as soon as they reach 18 yo they can do whatever they want.... but still WTF ?! )
Regarding emo, goths, they are not mentioned directly but as subculture group - youth subcultures with dominating black color in clothes, piercing or depressive perception of reality. So as emo really dig the pink color they shouldn't worry Next, all this subcultures are classified as social danger elements along with skinheads, football huligans, national bolsheviks, anti-fascists. The law suggest the following to put kids on righteous path
- to teach origins of orthodoxy culture in schools (doubt they will pull this one off. There were attempts already, but as a result a lot of pissed off buddhists, jews, muslims, etc.)
- tattoos & piercing will be forbidden for everyone under 18 yo ( girls are allowed to have earrings). Now it is only ilegal to sell smokes and alcohol to everyone under 18 yo.
Well, the law is not without WTF moments. But still the funny thing is it is OK for the rest of the world to have ratings, curfews etc. but the same things would be deemed as repressions in Russia
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Fri, 25th Jul 2008 01:01 Post subject: |
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As far as im aware, Western civilization doesnt have curfews and such. Could be wrong tho.
The countries that come to mind are Canada, England and the US. None of which have curfews
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Fri, 25th Jul 2008 01:14 Post subject: |
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| tainted4ever wrote: | | SycoShaman wrote: | As far as im aware, Western civilization doesnt have curfews and such. Could be wrong tho.
The countries that come to mind are Canada, England and the US. None of which have curfews |
Half of California has a 10:00 curfew due to gang activity man Likewise in other states. |
really? I had no idea.
We have no curfews in canada. atleast that im aware of. I know for sure there isnt a curfew in the GTA or anywhere else in ontario. |
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| Posted: Fri, 25th Jul 2008 01:53 Post subject: |
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| nouseforaname wrote: | | WhiteBarbarian wrote: | | Next, all this subcultures are classified as social danger elements along with anti-fascists. |
The only good fascist is a dead fascist. I'd like to write that on the wick of a Molotov cocktail and throw that at the Kremlin  |
Well, the anti-fascists are tricky in here. They started good, but turned to typical bandits. At first they attacked only the ones with fascists symbols. Next they started to attack everyone they saw as skinheads aka shaved head, big army boots with red laces, suspenders etc. Now they attack every white person unfortunate to have bald head and strong Slavic appearance, they attack / stab from the back, throwing people off ground and beating them with legs usually till death. Well, exactly oposite of the skinheads these ones do the same to the non-white people or anyone happen to have strong non Slavic appearance. 
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ChinUp
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| Posted: Fri, 25th Jul 2008 01:58 Post subject: |
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| NuclearShadow wrote: | | I don't see whats wrong with this its what the Emo's would want. They like being depressed and this will give them a reason to be! |
The point is inhibiting freedom of expression. Do that & you might as well be telling people what they're allowed think & what they are allowed to do every moment of their lives.
Like the banner said.. totalitarian methods like this encourage stupidity.
"Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in & out of favor." ~ Frost
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| Posted: Sat, 26th Jul 2008 22:48 Post subject: |
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| ChinUp wrote: | | NuclearShadow wrote: | | I don't see whats wrong with this its what the Emo's would want. They like being depressed and this will give them a reason to be! |
The point is inhibiting freedom of expression. Do that & you might as well be telling people what they're allowed think & what they are allowed to do every moment of their lives.
Like the banner said.. totalitarian methods like this encourage stupidity. |
It was a joke. I don't support the oppression of anyones freedom.
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