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 Posted: Fri, 11th Jul 2008 05:39 Post subject: 17 Panic Attacks |
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for those of you lucky enough, you'll never have to deal with a panic attack in your life. for most its an inconsequential thing, you get a little bit nervous, heart beats faster, then its over and you carry on with what you were doing. its getting quite redicolous for me now, since in the past 24 hours i've had 17 full on, heart grinding, mind fucking, panic attacks that lasted roughly an hour each. i mean... come on, one is enough on its own, and this is getting worse by the day. fuck medication doesnt help, fuck therapy doesnt help, fuck weed... well it helps a bit. thus is my life, without a reason or solution im forced into apathy for fear that emotional attachments/stresses of any size will trigger these quite terrifying experiences, and confined to a small space of saftey. suicidal thoughs creep into my head often these days, as i care less and less about everything. i used to think how someone could feel like life just wasnt worth living, and although im not at all suicidal, i feel like i know.
so, why bother saying this on an internet forum? really, i dont know. i just felt like writing it down and getting a response.
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| Posted: Fri, 11th Jul 2008 05:46 Post subject: |
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Maybe you have to seek another doctor.
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| Posted: Fri, 11th Jul 2008 07:13 Post subject: |
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im pretty much at a dead end, no one knows how to help me and the best they can say is ive already done the best they could say. i've seen maybe 5 different doctors in the past 3 years, done the CBT therapy, regression therapy and all kinds of counseling, had all kinds of medications, took all the advice. it just wont let up. this has been on-going for 15 or so years, i lost count, for the longest time i never even knew what was wrong with me. i've heard many sucess storys about anxiety disorders yet their sucess seems to evade me. as for drugs, i did find that weed helped me the most out of any of those things. apart from that, im incappable of forming any relationships, have no friends, and completely alone. so, what to do? live with it. these four walls and a computer screen are the extent of my life, i'll expect to live in fear, and accept the future holds no value for myself.
how sad to accept a fruitless existence. yet the only thing that pains me is the fact that im 28 and probably wont die for at least another 30 years of it.
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| Posted: Fri, 11th Jul 2008 07:38 Post subject: |
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That is really sad. I feel bad for you. You need your doctor more then you need us.
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deelix
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| Posted: Fri, 11th Jul 2008 08:22 Post subject: |
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An hour, wow. Thats fucked up :\
Iv had stuff like that who lasted for 20-30 sec. Mostly when im really really tierd and I feel its hard to focus on stuff. My advice would also to think about a safe nice place. Maybe from your childhood (if you had a good one that is)
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| Posted: Fri, 11th Jul 2008 12:38 Post subject: |
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-WA5T3D- what I usually do if I have a panic attack is lie on my back on the bed then put my hands over my nose and mouth and breath in and out slowly while thinking to my self nothing bad is going to happen. I usually experience panic attacks when I'm down and think of what happened in Iraq while I was there in the army. IF you need a friend mate I'm here, your prolly only down the road from me since i live in the UK also.
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deelix
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| Posted: Fri, 11th Jul 2008 12:45 Post subject: |
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War will fuck you up even if you don't get physically damaged :\
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| Posted: Fri, 11th Jul 2008 13:24 Post subject: |
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Man, all you need is a good solid mindset, and you yourself gave the biggest clue to solving all your problems, that answer lies in the fact that you are struggling with this for 15 years. So every time you feel a panic attack come up, just think of it as something you have dealt with before, like its the fucking most normal thing in the world, pffffffffff been there done that, this shit can't get me down, I had these things for 15 years, whats another one, just know you allways get through another one. With this in the back of your mind, perhaps, yes perhaps you can teach your brain that these are just minor setbacks, and maybe in time you will be able to train yourself to completely overcome these attacks.
The brain is a powerfull thing man, all you need is a strong mindset not to let this get you down, be strong as a fucking ox, you'll manage man, my best to you!
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| Posted: Fri, 11th Jul 2008 19:41 Post subject: |
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my girlfriend went trough an anxiety disorder last year and the only medication that worked was citalopram
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citalopram
which meds work or dont work can be pretty different for an individual, so if yours dont work and you havent given this one a try, go for it.
The other things that really help are cognitive behavioral therapy and relaxation techniques. And since you say weed is the only thing that helps abit i d strongly advice to try to learn progressive muslce relaxation and try to do breathing exercises as that will get you into a relaxed state much more controllable than weed.
When you managed to be stable, concentrate on cognitive behavioral therapy again, as that only really helps, when you re out of that vicious cycle of constant panic attacks.
If you need more advice / counselling, feel free to pm me, as i m a psychologist and would love to help.
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| Posted: Fri, 11th Jul 2008 19:43 Post subject: |
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how sad to accept a fruitless existence.
That´s not true ,you dont know the future.And every life its important
Pfiemelcheese its funny see your post with that sig
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| Posted: Fri, 11th Jul 2008 21:03 Post subject: |
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Last time I had a "Real" panic attack was when I landed at Frankfurt airport in a thunderstorm some weeks ago (made a thread here somewhere). I was sure I was going to die!.
Other then that...maybe some times driving (Germany does allow free speed you know) and there is a traffic jam just on the other side of that ridge and you are hitting 200Km/h...only happened once or so...but again, THOUGHT I WOULD DIE!
That's based on events that where actually DEADLY...sort a. But what you are describing here are of course something completely different. If you have seen all those doctors and had all that medication and what have you...I can only say that you need to try again. There is always a way man.
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Fri, 11th Jul 2008 23:12 Post subject: |
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Well, speaking from personal experience, it seems to me you need some meds (which is nothing to be ashamed about).
And yeah, I suffer from extreme panic attacks
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deelix
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Jul 2008 14:48 Post subject: |
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Unfortunately i have shitloads experience with this kinda stuff since im very sensitive myself.
-Rule number one , do not even begin to control , do the opposite just let it come over u,
its harmless and trying to push it away will only build up tension,ive had panic attacks for over hours , its nasty but harmless.
-Classical medication can do little against these things.Believe me i tried
-The kind of attacks u describe and which u seem to have little control over is an emotional
process that builds up over years,never now always latter it comes out.U prob have a lot of
unsolved emotional problems,some even without knowing cause the subconscious mind
in general is just stupid ( no offense ).My advice is to start looking for alternative solutions
in the healing/reiki whatever you stand open for sense.Its a long way but its the most
natural one.
-If ur the kind of person that is sensitive to ur surroundings/and or people,dont worry thats
hardly ur fault,its something ur born with u just have to learn to protect urself and look
for the right people and environments u feel comfortable with.
If u want any adive or want to talk feel free to PM me, im the real deal
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Jul 2008 21:30 Post subject: |
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Man am getting this a lot to iv found the best thing is keeping busy and like chinup says take the time to learn breath its works. I hope you get better so dude take care mate.
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| Posted: Sun, 13th Jul 2008 01:59 Post subject: |
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I am shocked to see how many people have them. I have them but it has been a long time. For me I did get much better when I stopped drinking and smoking pot. I think the pot actually gave me stress because I felt like I was doing something wrong. Sometimes my neighbors knocked on my door.
I think it is important to figure out why you have them. When I was bad and couldn't control it and other people noticing would make it full blown, I had to leave. For me it helped knowing what triggered it. I can still feel them come on but I tell myself to stop thinking about it. I take a deep even and slow breath in and think about my pulse rate. I imagion it slowing down.
I took Ciprolex for a few weeks (sp) for it but I didn't like it. It made my mouth taste like soap and your sex life sucks.
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| pistolshrimp wrote: | I am shocked to see how many people have them. I have them but it has been a long time. For me I did get much better when I stopped drinking and smoking pot. I think the pot actually gave me stress because I felt like I was doing something wrong. Sometimes my neighbors knocked on my door.
I think it is important to figure out why you have them. When I was bad and couldn't control it and other people noticing would make it full blown, I had to leave. For me it helped knowing what triggered it. I can still feel them come on but I tell myself to stop thinking about it. I take a deep even and slow breath in and think about my pulse rate. I imagion it slowing down.
I took Ciprolex for a few weeks (sp) for it but I didn't like it. It made my mouth taste like soap and your sex life sucks. |
Citroplex is the worst drug for aniexty eh. Never let anyone give you that shit. its horrible for you. Go for stuff like oxazepam, clonazepam, lorazepam etc |
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| Posted: Sun, 13th Jul 2008 08:28 Post subject: |
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I don't have panic attacks, but I had gone through some rough times, only to come to some sort of psychsommatic disorder. Than I discovered the power of meditation. It's not easy, and to fully understand it you'll need long time practise. But it's working.
Make yourselfe a mantra, several words that you'll say inside you during meditation, to help you boost your inside self. That ohm thing (usually the begining and end of matra ), helps you release some nitrous oxide (I think it is) to your lungs, which results in releasing endorfins into your brain and make you feel safe, calm...
The real meditation takes some time, but if you have mastered it, it can really help a lot. Nowdays when I have some kind of problem I just try to calm by doing some meditation. For example: I suffer from migraines, and to make it less hurtfull I meditate, focus on my brain, convince it that the pain is not the problem, that it's just a reaction of my body, and that I can control my body. If I'm persistant enough I can lessen the pain greatfully. Some experts in meditation can control theire hartbeat... Try it, you don't lose anything by trying...
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| Posted: Sun, 13th Jul 2008 09:46 Post subject: |
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| SycoShaman wrote: | | pistolshrimp wrote: | I am shocked to see how many people have them. I have them but it has been a long time. For me I did get much better when I stopped drinking and smoking pot. I think the pot actually gave me stress because I felt like I was doing something wrong. Sometimes my neighbors knocked on my door.
I think it is important to figure out why you have them. When I was bad and couldn't control it and other people noticing would make it full blown, I had to leave. For me it helped knowing what triggered it. I can still feel them come on but I tell myself to stop thinking about it. I take a deep even and slow breath in and think about my pulse rate. I imagion it slowing down.
I took Ciprolex for a few weeks (sp) for it but I didn't like it. It made my mouth taste like soap and your sex life sucks. |
Citroplex is the worst drug for aniexty eh. Never let anyone give you that shit. its horrible for you. Go for stuff like oxazepam, clonazepam, lorazepam etc |
Citroplex They seem to be marketing as a long term solution. It is antianxity and and antidepressent.
Those are Ok if you have a panic attack once in awhile but they are very addictive. If you are on them reg. if you were to stop you can easily have a seizer. They also effect your memory. Only 1/3 (I think) of people can actually get off them if they have been long term. That is what I was told. I am sure there is info and studies on them are out there in cyberspace.
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| Posted: Sun, 13th Jul 2008 10:08 Post subject: |
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| dingo_d wrote: | I don't have panic attacks, but I had gone through some rough times, only to come to some sort of psychsommatic disorder. Than I discovered the power of meditation. It's not easy, and to fully understand it you'll need long time practise. But it's working.
Make yourselfe a mantra, several words that you'll say inside you during meditation, to help you boost your inside self. That ohm thing (usually the begining and end of matra ), helps you release some nitrous oxide (I think it is) to your lungs, which results in releasing endorfins into your brain and make you feel safe, calm...
The real meditation takes some time, but if you have mastered it, it can really help a lot. Nowdays when I have some kind of problem I just try to calm by doing some meditation. For example: I suffer from migraines, and to make it less hurtfull I meditate, focus on my brain, convince it that the pain is not the problem, that it's just a reaction of my body, and that I can control my body. If I'm persistant enough I can lessen the pain greatfully. Some experts in meditation can control theire hartbeat... Try it, you don't lose anything by trying... |
Meditation only works for some ppl and it also depends on how bad your panic attacks are. I meditate and it doesnt help anymore.; Hence the reason I take medication |
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| Posted: Sun, 13th Jul 2008 10:20 Post subject: |
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Coming off of adivan was bad. I got jumped some some crazy women in a parking lot and she hit me in the face. Black eye. I took adivan because I couldn't sleep. It felt great but I knew it wasn't good for me so I had to stop. It was really hard. I think I had a good doctor that kinda called me on that. I did the right thing I think.
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| Posted: Sun, 13th Jul 2008 12:05 Post subject: |
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i think some of the problem is that you are panicing about the panic and getting yourself into a neverending loop.
once you learn to control them through breathing you will be able to get your life together.
just remember panic attacks cant kill you.
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| Posted: Sun, 13th Jul 2008 12:54 Post subject: |
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panic attacks are extremely difficult to deal with, there is no one method that makes everything better. Each person needs to find methods that work for them. Lifestyle changes are usually what is needed to prevent them in extreme cases.
Finding the triggers is difficult, but can be effective. Often times slowing down is extremely important for those with panic attacks, taking time each day even when feeling good to unwind. after a time, once the attacks have reduced in frequency seeking help dealing with stresses is usually effective. Panic attacks are very stressful and can even propagate themselves, which compounds the issue. To the op, do not give up, that will make things worse not better.
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