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 Posted: Tue, 15th Jul 2008 12:00 Post subject: Knife Crime |
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So, this current speight of Knife attacks in the UK, alot causing deaths and what seem to be entirely random, frenzied attacks on mainly kids and young adults. It's getting a lot of coverage recently but I'm not entirely sure if there is an increase in attacks or just an increase on reports? The Prime Minister unveiled new 'shock tactics' to be used but I don't think it goes far enough. I agree that there needs to be a lot tougher sentences on people that carry knives. I think Jail for 5 years with no parole was in there somewhere, pretty good idea if you ask me.
I'd go as far as saying that the majority of knife attacks are carried out by black youths. I think there is a popular trend in black youths to carry them and this couples with another of their trends which is to form (often very large) gangs. No, before you start, i'm not racist. I live in Nottingham, UK, and for those not familiar there is a deep seated problem between the black community and the rest of the city. I witness first hand how these people act. It strikes me that many of them just don't care, blatant disregard for who they injure, hurt, kill. I'm not saying that black youths are entirely to blame, but I'd say they are the majority.
Personally, I don't think that there will be any let up, infact, I can see it getting worse. Perhaps an amnesty would get things rolling, and a zero tolerance towards knives. After all, there is only one reason you would carry one.
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Jul 2008 13:51 Post subject: |
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The main difference between white and black criminals is that white criminals often have so much money and power that they can do whatever they want. The crime is the same, you just don't see the white people doing crimes because they have the power to, either hide it well, or just make it in plain sight and convince people that it's for the benefit for all (war against terror  )...
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Jul 2008 13:59 Post subject: |
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I'm from a very working class (and predominantly white) background. So how come where I grew up, there was very little crime, stabbings unheard of (and if there was one it was big news, usually shocking whole neighbourhoods) and also, crime rates in cities where there are a larger number of ethinic minorities have higher crime rates.
No, im not racist and yes, I am educated. I understand the importance of foreign workers, integration and immigration.
Back onto the topic of knife crime as this is what I actually wanted to discuss. I'd be interested to see what percentage of knife crimes were carried out by black youths against other ethnicities. I doubt, however, there will be such a statistic on record.
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Rinze
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Jul 2008 14:21 Post subject: |
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I don't know about the statistics though the stabbing incidents seem to be more in the news with each victim's name and photo getting front-page coverage. Could just be down to the victims getting more attention with people turning up in their hundreds to lay flowers and stuff which is a very recent phenomenon.
However I don't think that it is knife culture that is the problem and all measures taken to tackle it will bear very few results. It is the factor driving knife culture that should be addressed and that is gang culture. It starts off small but pretty soon turns into a crime syndicate with its own code of conduct, membership, initiation and hierarchy. They're big business with gangs branching out into extortion, prostitution, dealing, etc. Most gangs in the US started among the latinos and now have chapters in all major cities. Latino gangs now dwarf white and even black gangs in size. The UK could face a similar trend with its black and south asian youth.
Although I saw a prog on the BBC some time back about gangs and most of members shown were white. Whether these gangs or black, white, brown or green, they're bad news.
Programme in question - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7480196.stm
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Jul 2008 14:30 Post subject: |
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[quote="swingman"]
It starts off small but pretty soon turns into a crime syndicate with its own code of conduct, membership, initiation and hierarchy. They're big business with gangs branching out into extortion, prostitution, dealing, etc. quote]
I agree, its sort of like a dumbed down version of organised crime and the 'mafia'
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Jul 2008 14:31 Post subject: |
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| swingman wrote: |
It starts off small but pretty soon turns into a crime syndicate with its own code of conduct, membership, initiation and hierarchy. They're big business with gangs branching out into extortion, prostitution, dealing, etc. |
I agree, its sort of like a dumbed down version of organised crime and the 'mafia'
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Jul 2008 15:24 Post subject: |
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those fuckers are playing too much manhunt....
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Jul 2008 15:27 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Jul 2008 15:31 Post subject: |
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The majourity IS black youths serben. You dont fucking live here, so please try it for a week then 'educate your mind' and clear off.
Theres a page on the BBC news site somewhere of all the youths killed by knife crime this year and something like 17 / 19 are black/mixed asian black. The ones who have their attackers caught are all blacks.
The problem doesnt stem that far out of London from what we hear anyway. Nottingham has the same problem but no where near the same scale, am I right Geordie?
Imo the day we had to have metal detectors built into school entrances was the day it went to shit. This country is fucked.
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Jul 2008 15:48 Post subject: |
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| kaeye wrote: |
The problem doesnt stem that far out of London from what we hear anyway. Nottingham has the same problem but no where near the same scale, am I right Geordie?
Imo the day we had to have metal detectors built into school entrances was the day it went to shit. This country is fucked. |
you're right, i've lived in a handful of different cities and towns and none of them have had the atmosphere and the scale of fear of violence as in Nottingham. I admit in this day and age you do have to have your wits about you and be 'street wise' but in Nottingham, I can't go anywhere without having to look over my shoulder or actually be thinking of what MAY happen at any time. This isn't just black youths though, the suburb where I live does have an issue with white 'chavs' at the moment, something the police really aren't bothered about solving. It's a sad state of affairs when you can't let your guard down when walking down the street.
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Jul 2008 15:52 Post subject: |
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| frno wrote: | The problem is that british dont know how bring up their children. kids grow up thinking that they can do anything they want, everything is allowed. Its parents fault that their kids grow up to be criminals. Has anyone seen supernanny? Its a british tv show where parents who are not able to deal with their kids (4-5 yr old  ) anymore call a nanny to discipline them(the kids ) . That is just fucking ridiculous |
lol that show is fuckin ridiculous. And the bitch that is the lead in the show is a...well, a bitch. She's way to high on herself imo |
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Id love to see some of these chavs come here. We'd show em what real violence is lol. And how to dress properly and what good music really is 
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Jul 2008 16:05 Post subject: |
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I appreciate that some of these chavs are just mindless idiots. Some do carry knifes though. a friend of mine got slashed in the face with a stanley knife by a gang of them. The thing with chavs is that they are pack hunters, isolate them and watch as their tails go between their legs.
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Anyone have like a youtube video of these chavs in action? because based on what people have told me, they are comedic idiots who think they are 'gangsta'. I'd really like to see a vid so I could have a good laugh 
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Jul 2008 18:59 Post subject: |
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| nouseforaname wrote: | | Rinze wrote: | | Here in the Netherlands some ethnic groups are responisble for more crime than other ethnic groups, even after economic and social factors have been adjusted for. |
you have some sort of a link to back that statement up?
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Deviant gedrag en slachtofferschap onder jongens uit etnische minderheden I
Junger, M., Zeilstra, M.
1989
and
Allochtone en autochtone verdachten van verschillende delicttypen nader bekeken
Jennissen, R.P.W., Blom, M.
2007
Both in dutch, first is not available as download, second can be downloaded here
For example the second contains at page 34 a chart of the chance of being a suspect for men aged 18-44, living in an urban area, who live alone and have a job, but an income less than 24 k€ a year. Chance set against age. The 3 lines are dutch, maroccan, dutch-antillean. The text before the graph states that if you were to look at different income, urbanisation level and family circumstances you would still see the same results.
The paper also shows that different ethnic groups favor different types of crime, like Maroccans are more likely to be involved in "wealth"-crime, like robbery and burglary, while sub-saharan Africans are more likely to be involved in vice.
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Jul 2008 19:12 Post subject: |
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I can't see whats the big deal about this... I mean they are only stabbings... Whenever I turn on the news theres always atleast one murder that happened near me. Hell just a few years ago a drive by happened right down the street from my house. (It was a attempt to kill a police informant) I would give anything for this shit to just turn into stabbings. Shit if all they had were knives I would go out and clean up the streets myself.
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Jul 2008 19:19 Post subject: |
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| Rinze wrote: | | For example the second contains at page 34 a chart of the chance of being a suspect for men aged 18-44, living in an urban area, who live alone and have a job, but an income less than 24 k€ a year. Chance set against age. The 3 lines are dutch, maroccan, dutch-antillean. The text before the graph states that if you were to look at different income, urbanisation level and family circumstances you would still see the same results. |
Does that prove that the original statement is correct, or that their is institutional racism and ageism within the Dutch Police?
Having a higher chance of being a suspect doesn't necessarily mean you're more likely to commit a crime. I might be more convinced if I saw some conviction statistics, assuming they were objective and reliable.
I don't speak Dutch though, so I'm purely basing it on the graph and on Rinze's last quote. But I don't believe that contitutes proof, at least not to non-Dutch speakers.
Re: OP. A senior British Police officer stated within the last week that knife crime is no worse than it has been for years. They're blowing it out of proportion so that they can fully arm the Police within a few years, without objection from the British public. You'll see.
I mean, who else is gonna protect us from all these feral kids?!!!??? Oh the humanity!
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Jul 2008 19:43 Post subject: |
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| ZimZimma wrote: | Re: OP. A senior British Police officer stated within the last week that knife crime is no worse than it has been for years. They're blowing it out of proportion so that they can fully arm the Police within a few years, without objection from the British public. You'll see.
I mean, who else is gonna protect us from all these feral kids?!!!??? Oh the humanity! |
Well then he is out of touch. We have a friend of the family that lives in Newcastle and i visited him not so long ago, he's a superintendent of Northumbria Police and I was talking to him about the crime in Nottingham, I remember trying to be pretty tactful and said that the black youth aren't responsible for the majority of the crime ( i didn't know if he was touchy about the subject)
His response: "Yes they are"
fair enough I thought, atleast not all police are totally deluded.
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Jul 2008 19:55 Post subject: |
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| GeordieRacer wrote: | | ZimZimma wrote: | Re: OP. A senior British Police officer stated within the last week that knife crime is no worse than it has been for years. They're blowing it out of proportion so that they can fully arm the Police within a few years, without objection from the British public. You'll see.
I mean, who else is gonna protect us from all these feral kids?!!!??? Oh the humanity! |
Well then he is out of touch. We have a friend of the family that lives in Newcastle and i visited him not so long ago, he's a superintendent of Northumbria Police and I was talking to him about the crime in Nottingham, I remember trying to be pretty tactful and said that the black youth aren't responsible for the majority of the crime ( i didn't know if he was touchy about the subject)
His response: "Yes they are"
fair enough I thought, atleast not all police are totally deluded. |
What was your point again? That a friend of the family who's a police officer attributes most crime in Britain to black people? That's a very interesting opinion but adds nothing to the discussion, unless you were addressing my point about institutional racism.
If that's the case, thanks.
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Around cambodia everyone carries AK-47 on their back and no one fucks around!!!
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Jul 2008 23:53 Post subject: |
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| GeordieRacer wrote: | | no worries. |
I love how you piss over your own arguement just to get a cheap laugh from people you've never met.
The world needs people like that, to clean toilets, pick up dog shit etc...
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| Posted: Wed, 16th Jul 2008 00:04 Post subject: |
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| kaeye wrote: | The majourity IS black youths serben. You dont fucking live here, so please try it for a week then 'educate your mind' and clear off.
Theres a page on the BBC news site somewhere of all the youths killed by knife crime this year and something like 17 / 19 are black/mixed asian black. The ones who have their attackers caught are all blacks.
The problem doesnt stem that far out of London from what we hear anyway. Nottingham has the same problem but no where near the same scale, am I right Geordie?
Imo the day we had to have metal detectors built into school entrances was the day it went to shit. This country is fucked. |
Oh do shut the fuck up. I live in one of the most crime infested areas of my city. There are gangbangers all over the place here, and a lot of them are not above beating you down in the street just for looking at them. Most of them are indeed ethnic minorities, but that's because 90% of the population in my area is made up of non-Swedes. There are just as many Swedes here per capita who are involved in crime. It's just that they make up a much smaller portion of the population here, so it seems as if only the minorities are criminals. But you can't just look at one small area as you apparently are doing. I'm assuming you're basing your so called "facts" on what you see in your own area? Well guess what, that doesn't mean shit. You have to collect statistics nationwide and across all segments of society, otherwise you don't get an accurate picture. And it's also like nouse said. You're probably more likely to notice when a black person does something than when a white person does something, because you want to belive in the superiority of your own race. So you tend to ignore when a white person does something. The point is, however, that until you've personally conducted a nationwide statistical analysis, your opinion doesn't count for shit.
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