Women only gyms
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Should we allow women only gyms?
Yes
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No
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 38%  [ 28 ]
Only if we allow Men only gyms
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pistolshrimp
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PostPosted: Tue, 22nd Jul 2008 18:49    Post subject: Women only gyms
Women only gyms

Do you agree with them or not?
I am undecided. It does discriminate based on sex.

After all, there are no ‘MEN ONLY’ gyms and I don’t believe women should be barred from other clubs. I don’t believe in men only golf clubs. If I could afford a membership, I wouldn’t want to be barred because of my gender.


Part of me thinks women only gyms should be a option if means more women work out. Huge benefit in terms of health care. Some women are uncomfortable working out, sweating, bending over in front of men. A women who is uncomfortable with their body would be more attracted to a Ladies only fitness, also religious women.


From what I understand women centres are more geared to cardio where as co-ed centres have more free weights. For the most part the equipment doesn’t have to uniquely for women or men. We all use the same stuff, just differently.

For me I would never join a segregated gym because I want the option of having a choice in the gender of who I work out. I would be lying if I said I didn’t like admiring the fitness of members of the opposite sex.

I find it silly that in this day and age that a women would feel this way in modern society as to require a same sex gym but that is the world we live it.



A while ago a man tried to buy a membership to a ladies only fitness centre because he has a coupon. He was refused and he claimed discrimination. He said after he was doing it to prove a point. I think he dropped his case.
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tainted4ever
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PostPosted: Tue, 22nd Jul 2008 19:04    Post subject:
I honestly don't care. If the discrimination isn't malicious in nature, let it go and stop making such a big deal out of it.


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PostPosted: Tue, 22nd Jul 2008 19:05    Post subject:
No, no need.


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PostPosted: Tue, 22nd Jul 2008 19:07    Post subject:
if it was a man only gym it would be sexist, but apparently it's ok for women to be sexist. Same at my workplace.
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pistolshrimp
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PostPosted: Tue, 22nd Jul 2008 19:07    Post subject:
tainted4ever wrote:
I honestly don't care. If the discrimination isn't malicious in nature, let it go and stop making such a big deal out of it.


Yea, but I didn't add a "I don't care" option so you still have to vote.
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tainted4ever
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PostPosted: Tue, 22nd Jul 2008 19:13    Post subject:
pistolshrimp wrote:
tainted4ever wrote:
I honestly don't care. If the discrimination isn't malicious in nature, let it go and stop making such a big deal out of it.


Yea, but I didn't add a "I don't care" option so you still have to vote.
Fine Sad I said no; I like staring at chicks in the gym Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue, 22nd Jul 2008 19:23    Post subject:
I think that maybe big gyms should split some of the gym into halls where for example in one there will be special gear for women and in the other special gear for men, and another one that will have both of them. Though I also think that many chicks go to gyms so men will watch them while they bend over Razz So women only gyms will lose some of the female clients as well Razz
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PostPosted: Tue, 22nd Jul 2008 19:26    Post subject:
I don't care. Although I do feel some women victimize themselves too much. Still, I don't care either way - although I'd be really miffed in any of the following situations;

1) The women-only gym would be subsidized by the (local?) government somehow, and thus be cheaper than mixed gyms. (I can actually see this happen.)
2) The women-only gym is the only gym around in a 25-km radius.

Still, I can see some advantages. Indeed, it is fact that women, on average, are more easily embarrassed about their bodies than men. If it gives incentive to women who feel too unattractive to go to a regular gym to work out, I can definitely see it was an advantage.

I guess I have mixed feelings about it. Although it being subsidized or someway else supported by a local government would be a big no-no for me.
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PostPosted: Tue, 22nd Jul 2008 20:01    Post subject:
islam?
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PostPosted: Tue, 22nd Jul 2008 20:39    Post subject:
Well i go to a gym 2 times in a week , with couple of my female friends and they comfortable with it ... its a group of 20 = 15 women and 5 men
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PostPosted: Tue, 22nd Jul 2008 20:45    Post subject:
Our government doesn't subsidise any women-only gyms. We have government (parks board) run community centres that have pools and gym that are co-ed. Low income people get free passes to these government run gyms but not private gyms. There are free public swims and the outdoor summer pools are free.

One of the reasons why I do believe in the women only option is because then the religious would have a choice and I don’t want to see my government funded community centre (communities include men) start to divide up the sexes. I remember a story posted here a while back (couldn’t find it) that mentioned a community health centre banning men from maternity classes to appease muslim and sikh women.

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Stories emerged of a community health centre in the Park-Extension area that bars husbands from maternity classes to accommodate Muslim and Sikh women
http://www.macleans.ca/article.jsp?content=20061204_137241_137241&source=srch


Government funded community centres are cheaper to attend but the private women only gyms are not financially out of reach. Instead of funding a woman only gym the government could give the individual men, women, (family) a tax break for a gym memberships to offshoot the increase price.
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PostPosted: Tue, 22nd Jul 2008 21:02    Post subject:
Well, I said yes but I'm kinda biased since my parents own a "fitness club" - ladies only. It's an interesting concept, because they're handled in groups of 10-15 people every half hour. There are running boards in between the different machines - that work with some kind of hydraulics system (the more power you have, the harder it is to lift/pull/push) - and in between that you do cardio exercises.

Male only gyms are gyms focused on weight lifting in my opinion. There's not a lot of chance you'll find a lady in a gym like that.
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PostPosted: Tue, 22nd Jul 2008 21:06    Post subject:
Anything that gets more people into gyms is a good idea. Personally, women who have problems working out in front of men are doing men a favour by going to women-only gyms. Their discomfort is nothing compared to what the men feel when they see them working out. Twisted Evil And even if it's a fit chick, if she's uncomfortable being stared at then I don't want to look at her. Plus women who don't go to gyms due to religious restrictions (mingling with men etc) can make use of these gyms so there is no need for special religious gyms.

And who are these idiots here who are voting for men-only gyms. This 'because they're doing it' logic is ridiculous. Reminds me of all those women in the 80s who started smoking to feel liberated. If I want to be surrounded/ogled by men, I'll go to a gay bar. Razz
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PostPosted: Tue, 22nd Jul 2008 21:15    Post subject:
A serious women into fitness lifts weights. Not enough women focus on weight training. They think they are going to bulk up or something.



Thought I should point out the quote in my previous post "Stories emerged"

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CLSC prenatal classes

Perception Men who accompanied their spouses are often excluded at the request of Muslim women upset with their presence.
Facts During the day, the Park Extension CLSC organizes support and information meetings for its clientele, which is mainly immigrant and poor. Prenatal care is a subject discussed at the meetings. The service is used mainly by immigrant women but men are not excluded. Evening prenatal courses are offered in two other nearby CLSCs for expectant mothers and their spouses.


http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/story.html?id=a0058b31-fc8c-47e4-9231-08e46e2e1f72
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PostPosted: Tue, 22nd Jul 2008 21:20    Post subject:
Yes Smile

There is also a 'men only' gym in Toronto, but it's also a gay gym.
http://steamworksonline.com/aboutsteamworks.html

Actually I wouldn't see why you would want to go to an men only gym for any other reason ... not that they ban heteros, but not the kind of place I'd go to Wink

edit: here is a hetero gym for men only ..
http://www.timetoblitz.com/


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MAD_MAX333
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PostPosted: Tue, 22nd Jul 2008 21:21    Post subject:
tons of women only gyms in toronto... my gf goes to one and likes it alot more... no guys staring at them and shit... they can work out in peace without a moron trying to chat them up every 5 minutes...
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PostPosted: Tue, 22nd Jul 2008 21:21    Post subject:
So long as toilets are gender restricted, gender restricted establishments will exist. I personally prefer mixed gender environments feel is healthier, but then i am not self conscious about my body, I respect the fact that many people are very private about their bodies & i can respect their wish to restrict the exposure of it to environments where it is only their own gender present. When you have no choice there is a problem.


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PostPosted: Tue, 22nd Jul 2008 23:22    Post subject:
MAD_MAX333 wrote:
tons of women only gyms in toronto... my gf goes to one and likes it alot more... no guys staring at them and shit... they can work out in peace without a moron trying to chat them up every 5 minutes...



In my experience that happens a lot less then people think. I found the guys in my gyms are really conscience of staring. Sure it happens tho. I bet the majority of guys on here can say they don't harrass the women at the gym or rudly stare. I would say the average guy has to work up the nerve before he asks a girl out. The gym is no different.

Also I have to say I have worked out with a lot of women who 'thought' men were staring at them, thinking dirty thought or whatever. I would be like "who? the guy with his BACK to you?


I got asked out for coffee by this black rugi player from team-fiji in the pool. Perfect body. The next time I was swimming I saw him training doing the same exercises. I said "HI" and he totally ignored me. He was rude actually. Turned out it was a different black guy with THE SAME BODY. It was Jamal Johnston from the friggen BC LIONS football team. Jamal Johnston thought I was trying to pick him up. He thought I was some football hoe.




I never knew there were men only gyms in Toronto.


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PostPosted: Tue, 22nd Jul 2008 23:54    Post subject:
Discrimination is discrimination no matter what the reasons behind it are. I fully understand the reasons why women would want their own gym but I believe they should already get that respect in a normal gym. The answer is gym's should have stricter rules that protects everyone from harassment.

As for the staring... well men aren't the only ones guilty of this. I'm sure I'm not the only man here to notice women staring. People are naturally going to look at people they find attractive. This is no reason to have gyms that only accept one gender.
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PostPosted: Wed, 23rd Jul 2008 00:14    Post subject:
NuclearShadow wrote:
Discrimination is discrimination no matter what the reasons behind it are. I fully understand the reasons why women would want their own gym but I believe they should already get that respect in a normal gym. The answer is gym's should have stricter rules that protects everyone from harassment.

As for the staring... well men aren't the only ones guilty of this. I'm sure I'm not the only man here to notice women staring. People are naturally going to look at people they find attractive. This is no reason to have gyms that only accept one gender.


I stare, but I admitted that in my first post. I am sneaky and stealth-like tho, not overt. I use the mirrors. If they did the same to me it wouldn't offend me.

If someone is staring people should take it as a compliment instead of getting offended.
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PostPosted: Wed, 23rd Jul 2008 00:46    Post subject:
pistolshrimp wrote:
If someone is staring people should take it as a compliment instead of getting offended.
This is the clincher now isn't it. if a guy stares @ a girls ass or tits its considered indecent even sexual harassment. It can get so severe that a guy cant sit in a waiting room without feeling like covering his face due to the perpetual demands to look elsewhere. Like Morrison wrote, Women seem wicked when your unwanted. A guy a girl fancies can look @ her body all he likes, a guy who she don't fancy gets treated like a sick pervert.

I personally feel that its a the price you pay for looking good, You can't have your cake & eat it. I've made a living on teh streets solely on peoples desire to look @ me & what I'm doing, learned how to get people to want to look & get them to stop looking learned how to be ugly & be attractive @ will. having that kind of control over other people should be restricted to performance art Imo, take it to day to day interactions with friends & acquaintances & you loose who you are in the control trip.

It up to each person to control themselves, when you start controlling other people with your looks, expecting special treatment, it gets ugly. No more honesty its all manipulation & lies. Shyness is sticky business, when its honest it should be respected & people given their space, but when its manipulative to acquire privileges its wrong.

What rules would you implement in a gym Nuke ? Don't look @ somebody for more than ten seconds @ a time ? How is a person supposed to get on with their workout if they are forever worrying about what they are looking @ while they are focusing on something they are doing with their body ? Seems to me that rules like that would be abused & used to bully by staff of both sexes & customers who get off on being able to control people.


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PostPosted: Wed, 23rd Jul 2008 01:30    Post subject:
There was a cleaning guy at my gym that was always staring at me. Not rude but he was always watching and it did make me unconfortable. I was being over sensitive. Anyway my friend and I were sitting in the hot tube one day and she launched into a complaint about the guy to one of the lifeguard and tried to include me. I got pissed and said Hey I am not part of this complaint. Who the fuck did she think she was to file a complaint and interfere with someones job, THAT FEEDS THEIR FAMILY for simple staring.

She started acting nutty and she was sue-happy I found and they didn't take her seriously. Plus I said to them it was bullshit.

I ended up talking to the guy and it is actually super friendly and now he comes over to say hi whenever he sees me. He just looks is all.
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PostPosted: Wed, 23rd Jul 2008 01:38    Post subject:
tainted4ever wrote:
I honestly don't care. If the discrimination isn't malicious in nature, let it go and stop making such a big deal out of it.


You sir are a product of what is wrong with todays world.

You so negligently disregard something which is clearly an issue in modern life.. and that itself is a reason modern life is so shit. There needs to be more people like this, pistolshrimp, and several other members of this forum.. The shepherds in the mass fields full of sheople that make up society in 2008.

Why is it so hard to read the post and give an honest well thought opinnion of the matter? If you don't care.. how about this; your 'love of your life' girl decides she wants to hit the gym.. she feels she would like the more comfortable testosterone and bullshark hormone free environment of an all female gym.. But can't because of people like you, who 'dont care' so she is forced to go into a gym which has 4-5 steroid munching morons who hit on her, wolf whistle and make her feel like a piece of meat every time she goes in there; then she comes to you for comfort and oh shit, your suddenly up against 5 roiders whod love to kick your ass in front of her. You can not do shit and you then feel guilty and powerless to protect your love.

Now that I hypothetically personalized it for you, you may be less ignorant.
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PostPosted: Wed, 23rd Jul 2008 01:57    Post subject:
^^

"If the discrimination isn't malicious in nature, let it go and stop making such a big deal out of it." means that he doesn't think it's a big deal Wink

I wish they would start 'no muscle head 'roid freaks allowed' gyms, but that ain't gunna happen anytime soon.

actually the gym I go to with my gf is OK, it is a downtown toronto YMCA ... lots of low-income folks there so you actually tend to get not as many steroid morons. No lululemon to be seen (trendy gym wear for yuppie chicks) so I don't feel out of place working out in some swim shorts and a beer t-shirt Razz


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PostPosted: Wed, 23rd Jul 2008 02:23    Post subject:
pistolshrimp wrote:
There was a cleaning guy at my gym that was always staring at me. Not rude but he was always watching and it did make me unconfortable. I was being over sensitive. Anyway my friend and I were sitting in the hot tube one day and she launched into a complaint about the guy to one of the lifeguard and tried to include me. I got pissed and said Hey I am not part of this complaint. Who the fuck did she think she was to file a complaint and interfere with someones job, THAT FEEDS THEIR FAMILY for simple staring.

She started acting nutty and she was sue-happy I found and they didn't take her seriously. Plus I said to them it was bullshit.

I ended up talking to the guy and it is actually super friendly and now he comes over to say hi whenever he sees me. He just looks is all.


i like your way of handlings things
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PostPosted: Wed, 23rd Jul 2008 02:43    Post subject:
There are men only gyms too, they just aren't necessarily advertised as such.

Like the local power-lifting gym here: hand weights start at 20kg and there's practically no machines - it's all free weights. The atmosphere is very manly (read: loud and smelly) too so while women are allowed and welcomed, in three years there I haven't seen a single one. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed, 23rd Jul 2008 07:25    Post subject:
kaeye
The steroid or super built guys are not any more likely to hit on the girls. I think it is a sterotype that women like to use because they don't want to appear ugly, or unattractive in front of the opposite sex, esp some well built guy. A lot of the body builders actually think they are small. Sometimes they is why they powerlift so hard. It is never good enough and they can't stop.


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What would be really wrong is that if those kinds of power-lifting places (privatly owned) had to change to accomadate women better. Like change their equipment. Women are allowed and welcome and have a changing room, I think that is enough.
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PostPosted: Wed, 23rd Jul 2008 08:33    Post subject:
I think the a women's only gym is perfectly fine, providing that men have equal oppourtunity to have men only gyms. Same with anything really.

Women gyms that I know of are actually detrimental and promote false idea's. They do usually have more machines, and lighter weights (if any) they focus on circuit training a lot more etc.

Women and men should work out the same way, women do not get big like men naturally. The excercises that work for men work for women as well. Get everyone together and workout. Most good gyms don't have a lot of interaction, dedicated fitness people are too busy working out to worry about some good looking girl or guy.


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PostPosted: Wed, 23rd Jul 2008 10:14    Post subject:
In my gym we have unisex changing room. So chicks walk around naked all the time. Nobody cares.... well you stare a bit of course but that's it.
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PostPosted: Wed, 23rd Jul 2008 10:57    Post subject:
DeviLee wrote:
In my gym we have unisex changing room. So chicks walk around naked all the time. Nobody cares.... well you stare a bit of course but that's it.



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