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sTo0z
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 Posted: Wed, 13th Aug 2008 04:47 Post subject: Something anti-USA folks need to remember. |
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I know the USA bashing around here is like a running joke, and some people seriously have complaints about the USA because they actually are into politics and events going on in the world.
At the end of the day though, it's one complaint after another and I just want to throw a few thoughts out there for you. What do I think this will change around here? Not much. But what the heck, right?
Basically every negative USA comment on this board has one thing in common. You lump the entire country into one category. You call USA one of the most ignorant and unintelligent blobs of people the world has ever known, but I can't help but think the same about you when you decide to think every person in the USA operates on the same level.
You say Bush is a moron and he's ruining the world. Yah, there's about half of the United States population that agrees with you. So why don't we do something about it? Easier said than done. We TRY to do things about it. Removing Bush from power is more difficult than it sounds. Politics are so touchy around here, that nothing will ever get done. You sit there and yell at us to impeach, yah, well, a lot of wish that also.
I'd just like everyone to recall that there was a lot of controversy surrounding the election between Bush and Gore, and given all the mishaps, it was a close run, and pretty much half the country was disappointed when Gore withdrew even when he was so close to victory.
So when you think you're pretty slick sitting over there in your "superior" country, telling the USA to stop ruining the world, to stop being a fat tub of shit, to stop invading and making wars and being controversial and hypocritical, remember that there's about half the country that thinks the same way as you.
Think you look cool when you bash America over the Iraq war? Yah, you're just about as cool as the thousands of Americans that rally against the war everyday. You think it isn't a big issue over here, because it isn't a big issue to SOME Americans. The Americans that WANT to stop foolish decisions, what are we REALLY supposed to do about it? We do our best, but often we cannot stop it.
Anyways, next time you're taking a shit on America, keep that in mind. We are not a unified country on any topic, and everything you guys bitch and moan about, we have twice as many people saying the same thing, but are not able to stop it.
It's just easier for you to lump America into one category, but really, it makes you look as stupid as you think we are.
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| Posted: Wed, 13th Aug 2008 05:23 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 13th Aug 2008 09:00 Post subject: |
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Oh come on, during the election back in 2000 there werent alot of complaints when Bush won even though Gore got more votes and the whole Florida vote debacle. You did nothing about it and Im suprised Gore just decided to lay on his back and take it.
For any country to elect someone or even have a person like Bush running for presidency you gotta question the level of intelligance or perhaps education of the people.
Then the wars on afghanistan and Iraq, and still the majority of the us people did nothing.
So dont tell me you did everything possible and that the us people are innocent little lambs overrun by a few bad men. Its all your fault for unleashing Bush upon the world.
Dont mess with God, he can impregnate your girlfriend/wife without taking his pants off!
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| Posted: Wed, 13th Aug 2008 09:44 Post subject: |
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What does it matter if they are democrats or republicans, when all that matters are lobbyists/corporation influences?
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sTo0z
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| Posted: Wed, 13th Aug 2008 09:53 Post subject: |
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@Dazz,
yah sounds good.
@nouse
seriously though, what are the people supposed to do about it? write to our representitives? hold rallys? spread info and opinions? it's all being done every single day. people scheme into power, and when they get there, they are difficult to remove and can do as they please. it's damn near impossible to contest them.
@acer
honestly, what do you know about it? you sound like you read the dummy's guide to hating america. those are some pretty generic statements.
there was a lot of fuss actually, but what can be done? gore gimped out, and it was disappointing. you have this notion that the people have some sort of power in this country. it's always been an illusion, it's a lie, the people have no power at all.
you've done exactly what i was talking about, you act like the entire country put bush there, only just over half did, get it straight.
"majority did nothing" ??? what can we do? if whatever country you're in does something retarded, what can you do?
every single day we have thousands of people attacking bush and the administration. still when people do everything they can, it's often not enough. so yah, i will sit here and tell you some americans did everything they could.
@nailbiter
that's a huge part of it, exactly, the power does not rest where the world thinks it does regarding america.
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Wed, 13th Aug 2008 10:12 Post subject: |
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The problem, sTo0z, is, that while I agree on some extent that me (and other US bashers) should not be generalizing too much (which I do), the sad truth is, it seems the large majority of people in your country is exactly like those that we make fun of. You say otherwise, but I don't live there, I don't know what's the real deal. You say many are opposing this and that, yet I almost never hear about that opposition. What the world sees is the loud conservative morons, the retard rednecks, the morons that say "Europe is the worst country in the world," the idiots pointing at Australia and saying "that's Iran."
Plus, fact is you elected Bush twice. Not me, not Europeans, not Africans, but you. Fine, the first time he won on technicality (per se  ), but the second time? And that was after the war in Iraq (which, according to you, half of US disagrees on). And now you want us to do something about it? Maybe I should start protesting here in IL, that will surely help take that monkey down from the throne of the mighty USA.
You don't like being generalized, well, tough for you. Instead of crying on the forum about it, you, along with the half that doesn't agree with US' current actions, go out and do something about it. If all you say is true, and so many people disagree with US, then things are much worse than, say, if everyone was following the monkey blindly. It means you are too lazy to do anything about things as they are, so you come here and "waa waa they call us stupid Americans" about it on a public forum. Typical American behavior if you ask me...
[BTW this is true about any country, not just the US. It's especially true about IL for example, but the problem is Israel is a tiny country in Asia, while US is an empire.]
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| Posted: Wed, 13th Aug 2008 10:18 Post subject: |
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Well I just hope that the next president can turn USA around coz everyone know Bush and the admin have screwed it up BIG TIME. Time for a realistic strategy for exiting Iraq (USA and UK) and for Afghanistan for that matter. Money can be better spent on alleviating some of the worlds genuine problems and problems within our own countries.
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| Posted: Wed, 13th Aug 2008 10:28 Post subject: |
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[BTW this is true about any country, not just the US. Its especially true about IL for example, but the problem is Israel is a tiny country in Asia, while US is an empire.] |
A tiny country in Asia well known for its brutal opression of the Palestinian people and complete disregard for them.
Israel is the most hated country in the world. And one of the main reasons the U.S is so hated is because of its support for Israel
Perhaps you should take your own advice and start a revolution?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17474900/
@stooz
Alot of what you say rings true but the American image has been damaged so badly in the past 8 years it would be nearly impossible to change most peoples opinon at this point.
I think it will take a long time and drastic changes in our foreign policy before we can even begin to knock off this bad reputation.
The best thing we can hope for is that the next president is not a complete moron like Bush and that he takes the steps needed to begin to repair our relations with the rest of the world.
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Heh, how many muslims are terrorists and still the 1,3 billion muslims in the world are generalized like that. Don't think you're special because you're american, people generalize about EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING.
I also think fisk should be unbanned.
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Wed, 13th Aug 2008 10:34 Post subject: |
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Because I don't care for the country, its image or its surroundings? I want to complete my degree and get the hell out of here. Besides, a hate for Israel coming from a dude named Hallik, well, why am not surprised? 
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| Posted: Wed, 13th Aug 2008 10:54 Post subject: |
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We all know that american people lost power to choose their leaders. Nobody would also care about that if their leaders wouldn't fuck up the rest of the world with the money of american people.
I have nothing against American people but they really need to do some sort of revolution.
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sTo0z
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| Posted: Wed, 13th Aug 2008 11:56 Post subject: |
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| LeoNatan wrote: | | What the world sees is the loud conservative morons, the retard rednecks, the morons that say "Europe is the worst country in the world," the idiots pointing at Australia and saying "that's Iran." |
No, that's what people around here choose to see, because it makes them feel better, and it's easy to point out.
| LeoNatan wrote: | | Plus, fact is you elected Bush twice. Not me, not Europeans, not Africans, but you. Fine, the first time he won on technicality (per se ), but the second time? And that was after the war in Iraq (which, according to you, half of US disagrees on). |
It's true, there ARE a lot of morons in this country, I'm not disputing that, I'm disputing that not ALL of us are morons. And it's just lame that every single American gets branded as some kind of ignorant redneck Bush follower. It's just not the case at all.
| LeoNatan wrote: | | And now you want us to do something about it? |
Nah, you don't have to do anything, just comprehend that America is quite split. It's a simple idea I'm trying to express here.
| LeoNatan wrote: | | You don't like being generalized, well, tough for you. Instead of crying on the forum about it, you, along with the half that doesn't agree with US' current actions, go out and do something about it. |
No crying being done, just a simple expression of an idea. I'm quite capable of expressing this idea here (because I happen to be a long-time member of this community) and expressing my idea in my immediate surrounding life. How do you know I haven't been doing something about it? Go out and do something about it? Like what? I've already described what it's like. There isn't much that can be done. So many people fought against the re-election, but, like I keep trying to say, there is no power in the people.
| LeoNatan wrote: | | If all you say is true, and so many people disagree with US, then things are much worse than, say, if everyone was following the monkey blindly. It means you are too lazy to do anything about things as they are, so you come here and "waa waa they call us stupid Americans" about it on a public forum. Typical American behavior if you ask me... |
Not quite, it IS a forum after all. I believe I didn't come off as crying or whiny, just trying to express an idea. It's not too much to ask to open a discussion on a forum trying to set a few misconceptions straight. You talk about people being lazy yet you don't know anything about it. You see the end result and disregard any possible path this country might have taken to get there. There was, and still is, extremely heavy opposition to Bush. Now, more than ever in fact, but still, it's not enough to remove him.
| GeordieRacer wrote: | | Well I just hope that the next president can turn USA around coz everyone know Bush and the admin have screwed it up BIG TIME. Time for a realistic strategy for exiting Iraq (USA and UK) and for Afghanistan for that matter. Money can be better spent on alleviating some of the worlds genuine problems and problems within our own countries. |
People are trying damn hard. But again, it goes deeper than this. People think Americans don't see what Bush has done, we see it, but there isn't a whole lot we can do about it. So many people here are just ignorant and lazy and dumb and everything you guys say about them, but my simple point has always been, that it is not ALL of us.
| hallik wrote: | @stooz
Alot of what you say rings true but the American image has been damaged so badly in the past 8 years it would be nearly impossible to change most peoples opinon at this point.
I think it will take a long time and drastic changes in our foreign policy before we can even begin to knock off this bad reputation.
The best thing we can hope for is that the next president is not a complete moron like Bush and that he takes the steps needed to begin to repair our relations with the rest of the world. |
Well, considering Bush broke every record here in America, and is officially the lowest rated and supported president in the history of the United States, I doubt the next president will be as bad.  Given everything though, more people are paying attention to politics, and the United States position in the world, and getting more active. There's no way the USA can turn this image around quickly, but hopefully a beginning can be made. It certainly feels like it here.
| dominae wrote: | | Heh, how many muslims are terrorists and still the 1,3 billion muslims in the world are generalized like that. Don't think you're special because you're american, people generalize about EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING. |
Heh, this is what I'm talking about. I don't think I'm special, and nowhere did I come off that my image (and the USA's image) here is some kind of tragedy. It's a forum for discussion and I chose to open this topic. You sit there and act like EVERY American has the same image of muslims. There are thousands of morons in America, and thousands are not. Thousands don't know any better, I'm not arguing that, but thousands do know better, and don't judge and categorize every muslim as something negative.
I'm not defending America, just trying to express the idea that there's no need to lump the entire country in one idea, and from what I read here everyday, is a pretty poor idea from what really happens in this country. |
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| Posted: Wed, 13th Aug 2008 17:31 Post subject: |
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Funny sto0z I was just discussing this the other day with a buddy. Funny how these euro news shows cast these anti american TV shows "to show how stupid we are" like making people name acountry that begins with the letter "U" and only decide to show that few selection of people who actually have a brain and make a hay day out of the people who don't have a clue.
Maybe the US should start doing the same to other countries and see how retard free they are. And judging by the amount of euro's that join this website over the americans, I can rightfully say......you've no room to talk.
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| Posted: Wed, 13th Aug 2008 18:17 Post subject: |
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| SpykeZ wrote: | Funny sto0z I was just discussing this the other day with a buddy. Funny how these euro news shows cast these anti american TV shows "to show how stupid we are" like making people name acountry that begins with the letter "U" and only decide to show that few selection of people who actually have a brain and make a hay day out of the people who don't have a clue.
Maybe the US should start doing the same to other countries and see how retard free they are. And judging by the amount of euro's that join this website over the americans, I can rightfully say......you've no room to talk. |
You're so right. Europe is the worst country in the world!  |
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| SpykeZ wrote: | | Maybe the US should start doing the same to other countries and see how retard free they are. And judging by the amount of euro's that join this website over the americans, I can rightfully say......you've no room to talk. |
Even if you try to, and I'm sure you'll find many idiots around the world, the fact is, your educational system is by far the worst in the world. And instead of try to change that, you prefer to focus on the unimportant and look for faults elsewhere. |
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LeoNatan
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Well, yeah, of course private schools are above that, but not that many can afford them. Public education in US vs public education in Europe or Canada is what I meant.
One bad thing that I try to not do is say "Americans" too much. I keep forgetting Canada and the Latin countries are part of the Americas as well...
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Even if you try to, and I\\\'m sure yuo\\\'ll find many idiots around the world, the fact is, your educational system is by far the worst in the world. And instead of try to change that, you prefer to focus on the unimportant and look for faults elsewhere. |
Do you actually beleive the U.S education system is the worst in the world? You sound very ill informed making a statement like that.
And how are you any different? instead of trying change the things that are wrong with your country, you admit you will just move out.
Youre just as bad as the american retards you attempt so hard to make fun of.
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LeoNatan
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| hallik wrote: | | Quote: |
Even if you try to, and I\'m sure yuo\'ll find many idiots around the world, the fact is, your educational system is by far the worst in the world. And instead of try to change that, you prefer to focus on the unimportant and look for faults elsewhere. |
Do you actually beleive the U.S education system is the worst in the world? You sound very ill informed making a statement like that.
And how are you any different instead of change the things that are wrong with your country you admit you will just move out.
You\'re just as bad as the \'american retards\' you attempt so hard to make fun of. |
Look at statistics, Hallik. Of the modern world, US' education is one of the lowest.
In my case, I don't see a point in fixing the unfixable. I'm no Don Quixote. Instead I prefer to focus on what matters most. |
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| Posted: Wed, 13th Aug 2008 18:33 Post subject: |
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Why is your system so buggy? Why does it make \" and \' instead of " and '?
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| Posted: Wed, 13th Aug 2008 18:34 Post subject: |
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In my case, I don\\\'t see a point in fixing the unfixable. Im no Don Quixote. Instead I prefer to focus on what matters most. |
LeoNatan, do you realize how hypocritical and juvenile you sound? Scolding Americans with such venom for being too lazy to start an armed revolution yet when asked what actions you have taken against your own governments very devious deeds, your reply is I dont care more or less.
The reason America is in such a fucked up situation now is because so many Americans are just like You. So self absorbed and obsessed with their video games and ipods and shitty television series that they feel totally disassociated with their government and its actions, like you they dont care .And they too are happy to keep their heads in the sand and get the hell out one day, like you.. But apparently its o.k for you to not care but when Americans act as self absorbed as you do, they are retarded and lazy in your eyes...
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