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| Posted: Tue, 12th Aug 2008 10:56 Post subject: |
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zipfero
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| Posted: Tue, 12th Aug 2008 11:52 Post subject: |
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emo
8 out of 10 dentists prefer zipfero to competing brands(fraich3 and Mutantius)!
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| Posted: Tue, 12th Aug 2008 12:07 Post subject: |
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well, yeah, he has a point, But he could have brought it a bit more sublte 
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Karmeck
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| Posted: Tue, 12th Aug 2008 12:14 Post subject: |
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I like it the way like masturbation, we all do it but we don't talk about it. And I don't see this forum as a forum for pirates as that get a kinda negative tone and sound like a warez board.
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| Posted: Tue, 12th Aug 2008 12:41 Post subject: |
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Every Summer forums get an influx of brats on School holidays but thankfully most vanish again once the new school term starts.
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Bigperm
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| Posted: Tue, 12th Aug 2008 17:43 Post subject: |
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Well i think this is a much more diverse place, than just a place to discuss piracy.
Sure, im not going to negative Nancy you about downloading, we all do it. But don't think for a fucking second that arguments such as, Its not stealing or, it doesn't affect the companies BS will not get flack.
Own up to your self. Piracy is stealing. Your taking someones "Copyrighted" works for free.
And im fine with that, and i am not going to use any BS argument to justify my downloading to myself. We all know exactly what we are doing.
| Quote: | | piracy is BARELY scratching the surface of PROFIT yes we take profit not the money they spent of making the soft okay |
This is an example of the pure fucking bullshit you will get called on. Own up to yourself FFS. Its not grey area, its using software for free, that you didn't pay for. And again, im fine with that and sleep well at night.
| Jenni wrote: | | I drunk. I don't fucking care! |
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| Posted: Tue, 12th Aug 2008 18:04 Post subject: |
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I'm not here because I pirate well for the forums anyways. I'm here because I feel the desire to discuss PC games and ended up getting sucked into other topics. I also wouldn't mind one bit of non pirates are here. I would actually love a good debate with someone that would remain civil and could actually bring valid points up on their side. Sadly I have never met one yet and I am becoming more and more secure in the idea that there isn't a real argument against piracy that can actually prove it to be harmful. Heck I haven't even heard a argument that left a remaining question in the end as it always gets countered and shown to be bullshit. They can't even create a successful illusion that pirating hurts... sadly they still have the law on their side.
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| Posted: Tue, 12th Aug 2008 19:55 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Tue, 12th Aug 2008 21:54 Post subject: |
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helvete
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| Posted: Tue, 12th Aug 2008 22:09 Post subject: |
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I love piracy because it implies I'm a pirate.. yar! Who doesn't want to be a pirate?! I even gouged out one eye(1) and bought a parrot. You can't tell me that's wrong. I love piracy.
1) you don't need depth perception when gaming so it's ok.
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deelix
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Bigperm
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| Posted: Tue, 12th Aug 2008 23:07 Post subject: |
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| Yondaime wrote: | If nothing physical is removed, you're not stealing it. If I download a movie, it doesn't disappear. It is simply copied onto my computer.
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yadada.. What ever you have to tell yourself to justify it in you mind. I live in reality. I know im stealing regardless of in anything physical is involved.
A movies value is held in the enjoyment it give the watcher, not any form of physical media its placed on. Its not grey area, its black and white. You watched it, without paying for it, so you stole it. Why does everyone have to justify it on some other way. All your doing is deluding yourself.
OWN THE FUCK UP PEOPLE.
I steal movies every night, because i don't want to pay for them..PERIOD.
Sure i buy a lot of movies i like, go to the theater a lot; but i wont try and use that to justify my download habits.
Im not going to argue if piracy causes developers, producers etc to lose moneys, because its an impossible subject to analyze. Theres to many variables.
I DOWNLOAD = I STEAL . This isn't rocket science.
| Jenni wrote: | | I drunk. I don't fucking care! |
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nouseforaname
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Aug 2008 05:26 Post subject: |
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it's like this, stealing is stealing - no matter how you slice it or try to justify it. whether you stole a pack of chewing gum from a gas station or stole the latest 360 release.
what i think is bullshit is how they say piracy is cutting into this and that. most EVERY bit of what i have pirated, i would not have bought to begin with. so yeah i stole it, but i wouldn't have bought it to begin with so i didn't "cut into" or "rob them" of anything, other than intellectual type shit i guess.
there are exceptions, like gta iv, which i downloaded like everyone else and played ahead of it's release date but i already had my copy pre-ordered and still bought it and played it too. as i said, if i want it, i'll buy it and they'll get compensated but otherwise i haven't cut into anything.
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Aug 2008 13:02 Post subject: |
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Only game i ever bought for PC was Half-Life with opposing force and blueshift, worth every penny!
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Bamso
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Aug 2008 13:24 Post subject: |
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| killabyte wrote: | it's like this, stealing is stealing - no matter how you slice it or try to justify it. whether you stole a pack of chewing gum from a gas station or stole the latest 360 release.
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imho its not anything like stealing a pack of gum, its more like not paying for a service like riding the subway or whatever.
yes it is illegal but in my world its a small crime compared to jaywalking etc etc.
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Aug 2008 13:35 Post subject: |
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And after all, most people that would pirate the games wouldn't even pay for it if there was no piracy at all. Sometimes there are like 4 or 5 good games released in on month, do you think people would buy all 5 games? no. Pirates download em, mostly to try em. If it's good, there's a good chance they'll buy it. Does it suck? Don't blame the pirates but the crappy developer.
"YARR! We be stealin' yer games an plundrin' yer gold!" sez the pirate.
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Lutzifer
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Aug 2008 16:40 Post subject: |
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| helvete wrote: | I love piracy because it implies I'm a pirate.. yar! Who doesn't want to be a pirate?! I even gouged out one eye(1) and bought a parrot. You can't tell me that's wrong. I love piracy.
1) you don't need depth perception when gaming so it's ok. |
YAARRR, you won the lutzifer's-favorite-post-of-the-week award  |
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Lutzifer
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Aug 2008 16:50 Post subject: |
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| Bigperm wrote: |
I DOWNLOAD = I STEAL . This isn't rocket science. |
obviously, you arent a rocket scientist or you wouldnt have said that.
Downloading ISNT STEALING. Because NOTHING gets STOLEN! The games are still in the shops and no product vanishes. It just doesnt get sold, because somebody DUPLICATED it. So if anything was done actually, it was making the world richer by one duplication. Thats the problem with software and code. And the same for other areas where things get copied, like books and xeroxing.
Thats why lawyers of the book-industry, which was loosing money by manual transcriptions used their monetary power to convince the british government to introduce copyright in the late 18th or early 19th century.
So if anything does happen, it is that a potential sale isnt done. But alot of people cant afford to buy a game anyways, so they wouldnt have been able to buy the game anyways. That sure doesnt entitle them to infringe the rights of the IP-owners, but it also doesnt lead to less money in their bank-account.
There is no binary moral of good / bad in the binary world when it comes to copying. Just a copyright-system forced upon the consumer by a lobby of content-companies... |
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Aug 2008 17:02 Post subject: |
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why does it have be a physical act for you guys to think it's stealing?
you ARE stealing, you're taking intellectual property, breaking copyrights, etc. you're not physically removing a copy of it from the store, but you are stealing.
whether i punch you in the mouth or stab you in the gut - either way it's considered assault. they might tack on "with a deadly weapon, or with intent to kill", etc but still it is assault.
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Lutzifer
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Aug 2008 17:12 Post subject: |
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| killabyte wrote: | why does it have be a physical act for you guys to think it's stealing?
you ARE stealing, you're taking intellectual property, breaking copyrights, etc. you're not physically removing a copy of it from the store, but you are stealing.
whether i punch you in the mouth or stab you in the gut - either way it's considered assault. they might tack on "with a deadly weapon, or with intent to kill", etc but still it is assault. |
"reasoning" like that is why people have to go to university to become lawyers.  |
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nouseforaname
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Aug 2008 17:25 Post subject: |
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It's not stealing, it's copyright infringement thank you very much. The difference IS important.
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Aug 2008 17:35 Post subject: |
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hey i'm on your side dude and i'm not trying to bust anyone's balls - but i'm not gonna try to justify what i do as anything other than what it is, which is stealing. i really aint cutting into anyone's profits and since i dont use torrents to help redistribute it or phsyically make copies to sell, i dont see where i personally am doing any harm.
piracy is more of an excuse to cover crappy sales of crappy games than anything else.
the majority of the world is not computer savvy and does not have the knowledge to acquire this stuff and they sure dont know what to do with a bin or iso file if they get their hands on it. sure a lot of them know how to go out and buy it from some guys trunk on the street corner, but that's a different type of pirate.
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