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 Posted: Sun, 24th Aug 2008 18:18 Post subject: Is there a doctor in the house??? |
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Okay I have a very simple question and I am looking for an expert that can answer it. I have allways wondered why after a day of heavy drinking that you are dizzy the next day. I don't mean dizzy all day, I only have this when I tilt my head forward(towards the ground). So why is it that I don't feel this when my head is looking straight whilst it pops up when I tilt it forward.
So any doctors in the house?
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| Posted: Sun, 24th Aug 2008 18:58 Post subject: |
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To put it simply, alcohol disrupts your balance system, which is triggered by fluid movement inside your inner ear, resulting in a sense of dizziness and vertigo when you tilt your head.
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| Posted: Sun, 24th Aug 2008 19:37 Post subject: |
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Aaah thnx for that explanation Compu, and ofcourse your ears are linked to balance. Yeah I am having a sucky day today, drank too much and have this vertigo today. Also eat kebab last night so my farts smell like a sewage pit, need to take a dump often and feel lazy as fuck. Also whenever I drink I wake up waaaay too soon than normal(after 4-5 hours sleep max). So this adds to the sucky feeling of the socalled 'day after'.
But thnx for clearing that up. Case closed.
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| Posted: Sun, 24th Aug 2008 20:09 Post subject: |
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50% of the feeling is caused by thirst/hunger and being tired.
After a rough week of exams, i have days i wake up with the same feeling. and after a healthy breakfast i feel 50% better.
Just taka a shower, drink and eat and things will be much better
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| Posted: Sun, 24th Aug 2008 21:07 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Also whenever I drink I wake up waaaay too soon than normal(after 4-5 hours sleep max). |
I have the same problem!! I hate not being able to sleep properly after drinking too much...
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| Posted: Sun, 24th Aug 2008 22:24 Post subject: |
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| spankie wrote: | 50% of the feeling is caused by thirst/hunger and being tired.
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the fact that you wake up earlier is mainly caused by irregular heart-beat caused by the alcohol, afaik. |
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| Posted: Sun, 24th Aug 2008 23:48 Post subject: |
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aaah thnx Lutz, also didn't realize this, I have this every time I been drinking alot, I allways but allways wake up waaay to early.
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Aug 2008 00:20 Post subject: |
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yeah, me too. Thats why i have stopped drinking heavily for quite a long while and only drink alcohol on occasion and much less than i used to.
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Aug 2008 00:51 Post subject: |
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I'm not a real heavy drinker, mostly 13 pints is my limit.
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Aug 2008 03:09 Post subject: |
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afaik the waking up part is because your liver sends a signal to the brain saying "i'm about done processing the blood alcohol now" and that's why you wake up.
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Aug 2008 03:38 Post subject: |
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I didn't know about the heart rythem and drinking but it makes sense. It is a depressent.
I have the sleep thing too and have often wondered why
According to the Nat. Institute on Alcohol abuse you wake up because it messes up your sleep stages.
http://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/aa41.htm
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National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism No. 41 July 1998
Alcohol and Sleep
The average adult sleeps 7.5 to 8 hours every night. Although the function of sleep is unknown, abundant evidence demonstrates that lack of sleep can have serious consequences, including increased risk of depressive disorders, impaired breathing, and heart disease. In addition, excessive daytime sleepiness resulting from sleep disturbance is associated with memory deficits, impaired social and occupational function, and car crashes (1,2). Alcohol consumption can induce sleep disorders by disrupting the sequence and duration of sleep states and by altering total sleep time as well as the time required to fall asleep (i.e., sleep latency). This Alcohol Alert explores the effects of alcohol consumption on sleep patterns, the potential health consequences of alcohol consumption combined with disturbed sleep, and the risk for relapse in those with alcoholism who fail to recover normal sleep patterns.
Sleep Structure, Onset, and Arousal
Before discussing alcohol's effects on sleep, it is helpful to summarize some basic features of normal sleep. A person goes through two alternating states of sleep, characterized in part by different types of brain electrical activity (i.e., brain waves). These states are called slow wave sleep (SWS), because in this type of sleep the brain waves are very slow, and rapid eye movement (REM) sleep, in which the eyes undergo rapid movements although the person remains asleep.
Most sleep is the deep, restful SWS. REM sleep occurs periodically, occupying about 25 percent of sleep time in the young adult. Episodes of REM normally recur about every 90 minutes and last 5 to 30 minutes. REM sleep is less restful than SWS and is usually associated with dreaming. Although its function is unknown, REM appears to be essential to health. In rats, deprivation of REM sleep can lead to death within a few weeks (3). In addition, a transitional stage of light sleep occurs at intervals throughout the sleep period (4).
Sleep was formerly attributed to decreased activity of brain systems that maintain wakefulness. More recent data indicate that sleep, like consciousness, is an active process. Sleep is controlled largely by nerve centers in the lower brain stem, where the base of the brain joins the spinal cord. Some of these nerve cells produce serotonin, a chemical messenger associated with sleep onset (5) and with the regulation of SWS. Certain other nerve cells produce norepinephrine, which helps regulate REM sleep and facilitates arousal (6). The exact roles and interactions of these and other chemical messengers in orchestrating sleep patterns are not known (6). Significantly, however, alcohol consumption affects the function of these and other chemical messengers that appear to influence sleep.
Alcohol and Sleep in Those Without Alcoholism
Alcohol consumed at bedtime, after an initial stimulating effect, may decrease the time required to fall asleep. Because of alcohol's sedating effect, many people with insomnia consume alcohol to promote sleep. However, alcohol consumed within an hour of bedtime appears to disrupt the second half of the sleep period (7). The subject may sleep fitfully during the second half of sleep, awakening from dreams and returning to sleep with difficulty. With continued consumption just before bedtime, alcohol's sleep-inducing effect may decrease, while its disruptive effects continue or increase ( . This sleep disruption may lead to daytime fatigue and sleepiness. The elderly are at particular risk, because they achieve higher levels of alcohol in the blood and brain than do younger persons after consuming an equivalent dose. Bedtime alcohol consumption among older persons may lead to unsteadiness if walking is attempted during the night, with increased risk of falls and injuries (3).
Alcoholic beverages are often consumed in the late afternoon (e.g., at "happy hour" or with dinner) without further consumption before bedtime. Studies show that a moderate dose1 of alcohol consumed as much as 6 hours before bedtime can increase wakefulness during the second half of sleep. By the time this effect occurs, the dose of alcohol consumed earlier has already been eliminated from the body, suggesting a relatively long-lasting change in the body's mechanisms of sleep regulation (7,.
The adverse effects of sleep deprivation are increased following alcohol consumption. Subjects administered low doses of alcohol following a night of reduced sleep perform poorly in a driving simulator, even with no alcohol left in the body (9,10). Reduced alertness may potentially increase alcohol's sedating effect in situations such as rotating sleep-wake schedules (e.g., shift work) and rapid travel across multiple time zones (i.e., jet lag) (9). A person may not recognize the extent of sleep disturbance that occurs under these circumstances, increasing the danger that sleepiness and alcohol consumption will co-occur.
Alcohol and Breathing Disorders
Approximately 2 to 4 percent of Americans suffer from obstructive sleep apnea (OSA), a disorder in which the upper air passage (i.e., the pharynx, located at the back of the mouth) narrows or closes during sleep (11). The resulting episode of interrupted breathing (i.e., apnea) wakens the person, who then resumes breathing and returns to sleep. Recurring episodes of apnea followed by arousal can occur hundreds of times each night, significantly reducing sleep time and resulting in daytime sleepiness. Those with alcoholism appear to be at increased risk for sleep apnea, especially if they snore (12). In addition, moderate to high doses of alcohol consumed in the evening can lead to narrowing of the air passage (13,14), causing episodes of apnea even in persons who do not otherwise exhibit symptoms of OSA. Alcohol's general depressant effects can increase the duration of periods of apnea, worsening any preexisting OSA (14).
OSA is associated with impaired performance on a driving simulator as well as with an increased rate of motor vehicle crashes in the absence of alcohol consumption (9,10). Among patients with severe OSA, alcohol consumption at a rate of two or more drinks per day is associated with a fivefold increased risk for fatigue-related traffic crashes compared with OSA patients who consume little or no alcohol (15). In addition, the combination of alcohol, OSA, and snoring increases a person's risk for heart attack, arrhythmia, stroke, and sudden death (16).
Age-Related Effects and the Impact of Drinking
Little research has been conducted on the specific effects of alcohol on sleep states among different age groups. Scher (17) investigated the effects of prenatal alcohol exposure on sleep patterns in infants. Measurements of brain electrical activity demonstrated that infants of mothers who consumed at least one drink per day during the first trimester of pregnancy exhibited sleep disruptions and increased arousal compared with infants of nondrinking women. Additional studies revealed that infants exposed to alcohol in mothers' milk fell asleep sooner but slept less overall than those who were not exposed to alcohol (1. The exact significance of these findings is unclear.
Normal aging is accompanied by a gradual decrease in SWS and an increase in nighttime wakefulness. People over 65 often awaken 20 times or more during the night, leading to sleep that is less restful and restorative (3). Age-related sleep deficiencies may encourage the use of alcohol to promote sleep, while increasing an older person's susceptibility to alcohol-related sleep disturbances (3,19). Potential sources of inconsistency among study results include different doses of alcohol employed and failure to screen out subjects with preexisting sleep disorders (3).
Effects of Alcohol on Sleep in Those With Alcoholism
Active Drinking and Withdrawal. Sleep disturbances associated with alcoholism include increased time required to fall asleep, frequent awakenings, and a decrease in subjective sleep quality associated with daytime fatigue (3). Abrupt reduction of heavy drinking can trigger alcohol withdrawal syndrome, accompanied by pronounced insomnia with marked sleep fragmentation. Decreased SWS during withdrawal may reduce the amount of restful sleep. It has been suggested that increased REM may be related to the hallucinations that sometimes occur during withdrawal. In patients with severe withdrawal, sleep may consist almost entirely of brief periods of REM interrupted by numerous awakenings (3,20).
Recovery and Relapse. Despite some improvement after withdrawal subsides, sleep patterns may never return to normal in those with alcoholism, even after years of abstinence (3,21). Abstinent alcoholics tend to sleep poorly, with decreased amounts of SWS and increased nighttime wakefulness that could make sleep less restorative and contribute to daytime fatigue (22). Resumption of heavy drinking leads to increased SWS and decreased wakefulness. This apparent improvement in sleep continuity may promote relapse by contributing to the mistaken impression that alcohol consumption improves sleep (23-25). Nevertheless, as drinking continues, sleep patterns again become disrupted (3).
Researchers have attempted to predict relapse potential using measures of sleep disruption. Gillin and colleagues (26) measured REM sleep in patients admitted to a 1-month alcoholism treatment program. Higher levels of REM predicted those who relapsed within 3 months after hospital discharge in 80 percent of the patients. A review of additional research (3) concluded that those who eventually relapsed exhibited a higher proportion of REM and a lower proportion of SWS at the beginning of treatment, compared with those who remained abstinent. Although additional research is needed, these findings may facilitate early identification of patients at risk for relapse and allow clinicians to tailor their treatment programs accordingly.
Alcohol and Sleep--A Commentary by
NIAAA Director Enoch Gordis, M.D.
According to recent news reports, Americans are at risk for a variety of sleep-related health problems. Alcohol use affects sleep in a number of ways and can exacerbate these problems. Because alcohol use is widespread, it is important to understand how this use affects sleep to increase risk for illness. For example, it is popularly believed that a drink before bedtime can aid falling asleep. However, it also can disrupt normal sleep patterns, resulting in increased fatigue and physical stress to the body. Alcohol use can aggravate sleeping disorders, such as sleep apnea; those with such disorders should be cautious about alcohol use. Many nursing mothers are still regularly advised by their physicians to have a drink to promote lactation (so-called let-down reflex). Babies who receive alcohol in breast milk are known to have disrupted sleeping patterns. Because researchers do not yet know what effect this disruption has on nursing infants, physicians should reconsider this advice.
Alcoholism treatment also can be complicated by sleep problems during withdrawal and during subsequent behavioral treatment, where sleeping problems experienced by many recovering alcoholics may increase their risk for relapse. Because it is likely that alcohol may act on the same neurotransmitters involved in sleep, increased knowledge of alcohol's effects on the brain will help to promote new therapeutic techniques for alcohol-related sleep disorders and, perhaps, improve the chance for long-term sobriety.
References
(1) Roehrs, T., and Roth, T. Alcohol-induced sleepiness and memory function. Alcohol Health Res World 19(2):130-135, 1995. (2) Kupfer, D.J., and Reynolds, C.F. Management of insomnia. N Engl J Med 336(5):341-346, 1997. (3) Aldrich, M.S. Effects of alcohol on sleep. In: Lisansky Gomberg, E.S., et al., eds. Alcohol Problems and Aging. NIAAA Research Monograph No. 33. NIH Pub. No. 98-4163. Bethesda, MD: NIAAA, in press. (4) Guyton, A.C. Human Physiology and Mechanisms of Disease. 5th ed. Philadelphia: W.B. Saunders, 1992. (5) Zajicek, K., et al. Rhesus macaques with high CSF 5-HIAA concentrations exhibit early sleep onset. Neuropsychopharmacology, in press. (6) Shepherd, G.M. Neurobiology. 3d ed. New York: Oxford University Press, 1994. (7) Landolt, H.-P., et al. Late-afternoon ethanol intake affects nocturnal sleep and the sleep EEG in middle-aged men. J Clin Psychopharmacol 16(6):428-436, 1996. ( Vitiello, M.V. Sleep, alcohol and alcohol abuse. Addict Biol (2):151-158, 1997. (9) Roehrs, T., et al. Sleepiness and ethanol effects on simulated driving. Alcohol Clin Exp Res 18(1):154-158, 1994. (10) Krull, K.R., et al. Simple reaction time event-related potentials: Effects of alcohol and sleep deprivation. Alcohol Clin Exp Res 17(4):771-777, 1993. (11) Strollo, P.J., and Rogers, R.M. Obstructive sleep apnea. N Engl J Med 334(2):99-104, 1996. (12) Aldrich, M.S., et al. Sleep-disordered breathing in alcoholics: Association with age. Alcohol Clin Exp Res 17(6):1179-1183, 1993. (13) Mitler, M.M., et al. Bedtime ethanol increases resistance of upper airways and produces sleep apneas in asymptomatic snorers. Alcohol Clin Exp Res 12(6):801-805, 1988. (14) Dawson, A., et al. Effect of bedtime ethanol on total inspiratory resistance and respiratory drive in normal nonsnoring men. Alcohol Clin Exp Res 17(2):256-262, 1993. (15) Aldrich, M.S., and Chervin, R.D. Alcohol use, obstructive sleep apnea, and sleep-related motor vehicle accidents. Sleep Res, in press. (16) Bassetti, C., and Aldrich, M.S. Alcohol consumption and sleep apnea in patients with TIA and ischemic stroke. Sleep Res 25:400, 1996. (17) Scher, M., et al. The effects of prenatal alcohol and marijuana exposure: Disturbances in neonatal sleep cycling and arousal. Pediatr Res 24(1):101-105, 1988. (1 Mennella, J.A., and Gerrish, C.J. Effects of exposure to alcohol in mothers' milk on the infants' sleep and activity levels. Pediatrics, in press. (19) Block, A.J., et al. Effect of alcohol ingestion on breathing and oxygenation during sleep. Am J Med 80(4):595-600, 1986. (20) Allen, R.P., et al. Electroencephalographic (EEG) sleep recovery following prolonged alcohol intoxication in alcoholics. J Ner and Ment Dis 153(6):424-433, 1971. (21) Williams, H.L., and Rundell, Jr., O.H. Altered sleep physiology in chronic alcoholics: Reversal with abstinence. Alcohol Clin Exp Res 5(2):318-325, 1981. (22) Gillin, J.C., et al. EEG sleep studies in "pure" primary alcoholism during subacute withdrawal: Relationships to normal controls, age, and other clinical variables. Bio Psychiatry 27:477-488, 1990. (23) Lester, B.K., et al. Chronic alcoholism, alcohol and sleep. In: Gross, M.M., ed. Advances in Experimental Medicine and Biology: Volume 35. Alcohol Intoxication and Withdrawal: Experimental Studies. New York: Plenum Press, 1973. pp. 261-279. (24) Skoloda, T.E., et al. Sleep quality reported by drinking and non-drinking alcoholics. In: Gottheil, E.L., et al., eds. Addiction Research and Treatments: Converging Trends. New York: Pergamon Press, 1979. pp. 102-112. (25) Zarcone, V., et al. Alcohol, sleep and cerebrospinal fluid changes in alcoholics: Cyclic AMP and biogenic amine metabolites in CSF. In: Gross, M.M., ed. Advances in Experimental Medicine and Biology: Volume 85A. Alcohol Intoxication and Withdrawal--IIIa: Biological Aspects of Ethanol. New York: Plenum Press, 1977. pp. 593-599. (26) Gillin, J.C., et al. Increased pressure for rapid eye movement sleep at time of hospital admission predicts relapse in nondepressed patients with primary alcoholism at 3-month follow-up. Arch Gen Psychiatry 51:189-197, 1994.
1A standard drink is generally considered to be 12 ounces of beer, 5 ounces of wine, or 1.5 ounces of distilled spirits, each drink containing approximately 0.5 ounce of alcohol. In addition, terms such as light, moderate, or heavy drinking are not used consistently by alcoholism researchers. Therefore, in each case, the terms used in this text are those of the author or authors cited.
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Aug 2008 12:48 Post subject: |
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All that blowing of cocks made your neck sore and when you bend it down again it hurts.
I also think fisk should be unbanned.
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Aug 2008 14:33 Post subject: |
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I like a good cocksuck as much as any other guy, so if a sore neck is what I will be getting then so be it, puh:P
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Aug 2008 18:50 Post subject: |
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| Pfiemelcheese wrote: | | I'm not a real heavy drinker, mostly 13 pints is my limit. |
Just to note, a man shouldn't drink more than 4 units a day (21 in a week).
one unit of alcohol is about equal to:
* half a pint of ordinary strength beer, lager or cider (3-4% alcohol by volume), or
* a small pub measure (25ml) of spirits (40% alcohol by volume), or
* a standard pub measure (50ml) of fortified wine such as sherry or port (20% alcohol by volume).
So your "not really heavy drinking" is 26 units, over the WEEKLY recommended drinking limit. If you keep drinking that way, you *will* die.
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Aug 2008 19:17 Post subject: |
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well, alcohol abuse doesnt necessarily lead to death, but it usually affects your brain quite drastically after years of abuse
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Aug 2008 20:02 Post subject: |
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13 pints a week, I seriously don't consider this as much.
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Aug 2008 20:32 Post subject: |
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| Pfiemelcheese wrote: | | I like a good cocksuck as much as any other guy |
cocksuck ftw!
yes
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Aug 2008 22:22 Post subject: |
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Well when I go out I drink 13 pints on one evening, but thats only once a week i drink so heavily and not even every week. Other days I go out it could be 4 pints, or 6 but never so much very often.
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Aug 2008 23:08 Post subject: |
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strange, I sleep a lot after drinking :\
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| Posted: Tue, 26th Aug 2008 01:33 Post subject: |
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Thats cuz you'r an abormal person.
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I usually sleep a good 10 hours after i've been drinking compared to my normal 8. And I've never been hung over either. 
A lot of people hate me for that. 
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| Pfiemelcheese wrote: | | Thats cuz you'r an abormal person. |
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| Posted: Tue, 26th Aug 2008 21:30 Post subject: |
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AWWW GOD FUCKING DAMMIT
my back hurts like hell , can't even stand on the fucking chair
goddam fucking gym , my bro does 60kg sitting on the fucking bech and me and some other random dude usually help him lift the 60 (each on a side) but when he's finished i alone have to put the fucker down .. FUCK
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...or you drink water before before you go to bed. Or for some strange reason doesn't dehydrate 
