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Przepraszam
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But Trump said he didn't know anything about it. 
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| Posted: Sun, 23rd Feb 2025 15:34 Post subject: |
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The short march through the institutions
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Przepraszam
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| Posted: Sun, 23rd Feb 2025 17:43 Post subject: |
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I wonder who that was 
I left that thread for a reason.
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| Posted: Sun, 23rd Feb 2025 17:51 Post subject: |
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Some of its stupid shit too.
Like in Florida, Texas, Georgia, Alabama (and some other states). They are already working on the 'Make Porn inaccessible online' promise.
You go to 50% of the popular porn sites, you get a "You need to submit a photo ID age verification" thing that wants your name, address, copy of your ID, and all that to log in. And it's device-based verification. SO every device needs your ID tied to it..not just your login.
The ones pushing it know 99% of people aren't going to do that to see porn.
I mean you can just VPN somewhere else to see it, but how many average people know that works/how to do that?
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Przepraszam
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| Posted: Sun, 23rd Feb 2025 17:59 Post subject: |
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All of that just to own the libs.
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| Posted: Sun, 23rd Feb 2025 18:19 Post subject: |
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And then to think that Florida used to be a swing state.
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| Posted: Sun, 23rd Feb 2025 19:09 Post subject: |
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love how trump is gonna make the stock market crash faster. all that money saved is money not going into economy anymore trickling down
collission course recesions 2025 full speed ahead
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| Posted: Sun, 23rd Feb 2025 19:22 Post subject: |
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@PickupArtist
It never went into the economy and trickled down. Money has gone into the economy, but trickle down? No. Americans have been waiting for that sweet trickle-down since the 80's when it was promised.
No coincidence that pre 80's and post 80's millionaires (then billionaires) exploded post-80's.
While citizen wealth barely kept its head above inflation. After "Reaganomics" proposed trickle-down economics.
The lying promise of "If you let the rich get richer, some falls down to you". Trickle down is the rich convincing us this is a good idea: IF you let my pockets get so stuffed with money that loose change starts falling out, you can take that change and split it among yourself.
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| Posted: Sun, 23rd Feb 2025 20:21 Post subject: |
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Whats fucked up, is they spelled out they were going to do this, announced they were at fundraisers, and told donors directly this was the plan...
Yet Trump says at a few rallies "Your taxes will be lower than ever before. No one seen taxes this low" and people went:
Sure multiple senators and P2025 documented intent of the opposite, was said the opposite at fundraisers with rich donors, and multiple senators marked on the new budget would be this....BUT Trump said once during his 45-minute rally "Lower taxes 4 you!" and I trust alllll the other indicators of intent are wrong and he's right. And vote for him...despite presidents not being the one controlling taxes, writing the budget, or setting tax brackets.
I just really really really wish voters knew/paid attention to how and who has governmental power over what things. We have been getting hoodwinked and screwed because they dont since the late 80s...yet they STILL won't be assed to know.
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couleur
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| Posted: Sun, 23rd Feb 2025 20:27 Post subject: |
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These people have it in their blood that "knowing" is dumb and that believing or feeling is better. They distrust science and education.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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| Posted: Sun, 23rd Feb 2025 20:45 Post subject: |
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Now dont get me wrong. Both parties sneaky sneaky new taxes in while leaning out from behind the curtain to reassure us they are not about to pull the "MOAR taxes" lever...then close the curtain.
But the GOP, since Reagan, leans into it hard. Every single president since then that was REP/GOP has raised taxes more than average.
I imagine it's a fictional conversation like this:
- "I dunno, you think they will fall for it..again?! They have 5 times now since the 80s"
- "Can't hurt to try"
- "But we have told them every election for 40 years we will lower taxes, and then raise them. Surely we cannot pull that off one more time"
- "YOLO, can't hurt to go for it"
- "...well fuck, they did, they bought it AGAIN. Does this parlor trick ever run out of uses?"
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jackbomb
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| Posted: Mon, 24th Feb 2025 03:13 Post subject: |
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| couleur wrote: | | These people have it in their blood that "knowing" is dumb and that believing or feeling is better. They distrust science and education. |
The opposite (critical thinking, learning, understanding) would require effort.
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| Posted: Mon, 24th Feb 2025 04:06 Post subject: |
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| couleur wrote: | | They distrust science and education. |
The very idea that education is a 'leftist' idea says it all. Many here in US are cheering for the dismantling of Dept of Education. Now, they are not against kids learning. But they are against kids learning things they didn't learn, don't want to learn, or disagree should be learned.
What you want is indoctrination, Not education. For your kids to only learn things you want. And none of the things you wouldn't want to learn.
QUIT trying to frame your fear of your kid not being a carbon copy of you, or learning about things that scare YOU...as 'defending education'. No, you're not, you are sculpting the education of the entire nation into one you are personally comfortable with.
What MY kid learns doesn't depend for shit on what YOU think they should be taught. Nor what I think they should be. Like I DGAF what my kids wanted to learn about, I encouraged it. If they are smarter and more educated about something, even if I disagree or dislike it. I see it as a win. If they turn out more educated in a thing than I am. Great! I raised someone who is more versed in a thing than me, and I helped them be.
Like my son had his early teen "I want to be a communist socialist! Seize means of production!" Phase. I told him cool, we went to a used bookstore got him books on it, and let him at it. (He grew out of it, but now either way he knows more about it now than shitty information from friends his age ) I dont need to agree with something they are interested in, to want them educated in it if they are. Nor discourage them if I am disinterested in it.
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| Posted: Mon, 24th Feb 2025 16:40 Post subject: |
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USAID
Prioritize funding for faith-based organizations.
Note: The administration issued a waiver for Samaritan's Purse, an evangelical Christian organization.
I thought they were going to cut pointless wasting of money?
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| Posted: Mon, 24th Feb 2025 16:46 Post subject: |
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| Iwasfaggotonce wrote: |
Besides when your salary comes from taxpayers pockets, and you go buy stuff, it is still ineffective system, which is not contributing to the economy anything. |
That is got to be one of the dumbest thing I ever heard about how an economy (doesn't) work.
It's all the same money. It all goes out into the economy to private and public business owners, utilities, food and shelter; they also pay taxes and local taxes. They don't get paid with different money than anyone else.
I can't even fathom what your thought process is of how currency flow works, to wrap my head around what you mean it's not contributing.
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| Posted: Mon, 24th Feb 2025 17:28 Post subject: |
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| Stormwolf wrote: | USAID
Prioritize funding for faith-based organizations.
Note: The administration issued a waiver for Samaritan's Purse, an evangelical Christian organization.
I thought they were going to cut pointless wasting of money? |
Well when one of them is a Christian group run by the son of televangelist Billy Graham (one of the ones that started that) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Graham
You have to make exceptions...
Im with you on this one Storm. If we are cutting faith-based funding it should apply fairly and equal to all.
WHY the hell are we keeping the worst example of one for a group who is a 'non-profit(he he) for profit' televangical group whose whole existence is to extort money out of old people, and preach the gospel under the guise of relief aid? (they dont do aid without the string of "while we got you here homeless and starving, can I talk to you about our lord Jesus Christ?)?
While it does do good with its Charity work, it does not do good in how it operates TO do it. Nearly every big disaster aid it has done, while good in impact, has had scandal and controversy.
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| Posted: Mon, 24th Feb 2025 19:23 Post subject: |
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I understand the process for circular flow of money. But in terms of redistribution vs creation taxpayer funded bureaucratic positions don't create new wealth. If taxes are raised to finance spending, it reduces the disposable income for private sector investments and consumption (driver for economic growth). It's basically a zero-sum game. It doesn't generate the same level of incremental economic value or economic multiply effect.
And of course in private market workers usually need to have incentives to improve efficiency and productivity to stay competitive, which in contrat government employees and agencies may not face the same pressures. But that's another layer of inefficiencies in big state model (PS. Bernie wanted to push 40% of American workers into government jobs according to his 2016 campaign site lmfao).
Al Gore's NPR resulted in in the elimination of around 400k federal positions, having saved 150 billion. NPR also brought the so-called weekly/monthly metrics for government jobs, which is like a common sense thing in private sector. Before that Reagan's Grace Commission wanted to save 420 billion within 3 years, and that was back in 1984! But of course Congress ignored it. Trump's White House & DOGE just ignores this, and pushes ahead and deals with court cases later.
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| Posted: Mon, 24th Feb 2025 19:50 Post subject: |
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Your first sentence makes no sense to me. If the money goes through one more step with which you even point out taxes are raised to finance spending..its spent somewhere, and in this case, the end location is the national economy outside of govt funding. And even the majority of govt funding goes to the public economy in the end. (Contracts, contractors, public works funding that pays employees..the entire govt budget is for paying someone for work)
A good example. People in the military (and the biggest of our employee expenses). They are the epitome of govt employees. Their pay is 100% government-funded and their daily job is not impactful on the average citizen's daily routine, they do not even overlap.
Yet to say it does not affect the economy is insane. Cities with military residents have a lot of their private business growth from their pay.
Like I live in Jax, Fla. We have 7 large military bases here. A good portion of the entire area around them is from stores, both small businesses and Walmart/target/grocery stores/malls, gas stations, car lots (to sell the people thave move around a lot a new car) because of the money they spend from their pay.
Want proof? Ask the dealership that sells Dodge Chargers how good business is with the Navy base nearby
(if you dont get ithe joke, Dodge Chargers and Military people are a running meme. they seem to love them. See a Dodge Charger? Either he is military or has felonies...I think they ask when you sign the financing to make sure  )
They not only contribute to the growth, sustainability, and profit of the area. They are nearly the sole cause of it.
Because regardless of whether it's the govt printing money, and distributing it to banks, to have your company pay you with it. Or Govt printing money, to distribute to the treasury, to have the govt pay you with it.
It's all starts with Govt money, to private citizen income (regardless of where they earn it) that goes back into the commercial economy as living and luxury expenditure.
Your second paragraph has nothing to do with the claim that govt employees dont spend money that influences the economy. That is a discussion of business incentives to grow, which is separate from if employees pay from different outlets contributes to the national economy.
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