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 Posted: Tue, 23rd Sep 2008 20:33 Post subject: Chrome antics: did Google reverse-engineer Windows? |
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| Quote: | Since its release a few weeks ago, curious developers have been sniffing through the source code for Google's new Chrome web browser. Chrome's source is interesting for a variety of reasons: there's the new V8 JavaScript virtual machine with its boasts of near-native code performance, the WebKit rendering engine that does all the hard work of understanding and displaying web pages, and (last but not least), Chrome's secure sandbox designed to minimize the impact of any security flaws that might exist in both the browser and plugins alike. It is this secure sandbox that has piqued the curiosity of some observers, and for a reason that many may find surprising. From reading the source, it looks as though Google has reverse-engineered Windows, and that's explicitly prohibited by the Windows EULA.
But before looking at the question of disassembly, it's worth taking a look at how Chrome is put together and at why its security architecture is interesting. |
http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/chrome-antics-did-google-reverse-engineer.ars
Very interesting article.
Oh, and BTW, do yourself a favor and read the entire article before trying to sound like a smartass with some retarded anti-MS comment. This is not by MS, this is by people that have noticed, well, let's call it "anomalies" for now... Thanks!  |
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| Posted: Tue, 23rd Sep 2008 21:31 Post subject: |
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Lol, some code comments are epic :
| Quote: | //Completely undocumented from Microsoft. You can find this information by
// disassembling Vista's SP1 kernel32.dll with your favorite disassembler. |
How sloppy of them.
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| Posted: Tue, 23rd Sep 2008 21:38 Post subject: |
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The entire thing is very vague. Doesn't matter what you think of MS, what you think on their policy of release of source code and documentation, an EULA is an EULA, and Google must obey it.
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| Posted: Tue, 23rd Sep 2008 23:00 Post subject: |
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why do we pretend that this isn't done by everyone?
i look forward to the day when they abolish all these ridiculous eulas and other non-contracts from the industry
their only purpose is to be a big F-U to every user and developer
along with software patents and other hinderances of progress
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| Posted: Tue, 23rd Sep 2008 23:33 Post subject: |
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So you saying I should be able to disassemble Windows, reassemble it under the name LeOS and make profit from it? 
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Sep 2008 07:34 Post subject: |
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Doesn't mean they actually disassembled it, they probably googled (hah!) for something and found code snippets in some forum where someone also said he just found it by disassembling kernel32.dll.
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Sep 2008 08:02 Post subject: |
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Google has been openly disassembling and reverse engineering Windows, the iPhone, various competitor apps... I used to hang around the google mountain view campus, so I know a thing or two about their business practices in this area  Don't believe me? Well, my claims are easy to verify. Take iPhone reversing. First guy to unlock the iPhone was George Hotz, a 17 y.o from N.Y iirc. Google hired him. What do you think he and Elliot Kroo are doing there now? Not jacking off all day long, I can assure you . The thing is, every major company worth their salt REs their competitors. That's why you have 800k-10 million $ protections (similar to the CD protections we see release groups crack every day) being used by major companies (even the military!) to obfuscate and protect their source from being stolen. This is nothing new. And thankfully, as long as this type of stuff keeps going on RCERs will have a more than stable salary in store for them  So whoever wrote this article is barking up the wrong tree, because if one company starts suing the other for RCEing they'll quickly be countersued and it will all end up being one great clusterfuck. So, reverse engineering in large companies remains a dark, dark matter, and there is an unspoken agreement of sorts in the industry never to rat each other out. Cus if they did, like I said, it would all be one great clusterfuck.
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Sep 2008 13:14 Post subject: |
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| Xenthalon wrote: | | Doesn't mean they actually disassembled it, they probably googled (hah!) for something and found code snippets in some forum where someone also said he just found it by disassembling kernel32.dll. |
I wasn't talking about Google, I was replying to shole's stupid comment of removing EULA documents. |
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Sep 2008 20:56 Post subject: |
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I've taken it to the extreme to prove a point - the EULA is there for a reason. Plus, it doesn't matter what reason you do the illegal action, it's still illegal. If Windows' EULA states you can't reverse engineer any part of the system and you do, you are doing something illegal. Pretty stupid on Google's part not to even try to hide it.
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Sep 2008 21:37 Post subject: |
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who the fuck cares about the eule except m$?
wow, inatan, you're downloading warez, you're not just breaking the eule but stealing it altogether
yes
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| Posted: Thu, 25th Sep 2008 01:20 Post subject: |
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I'm not a multibillion corporation, am I? I won't be releasing a software based on hack, will I?
And how do you know I'm downloading warez? For all you know, whenever I said "I'm gonna download this," I meant downloading from Steam or EA store or D2D. 
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| Posted: Thu, 25th Sep 2008 01:28 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I'm not a multibillion corporation, am I? I won't be releasing a software based on hack, will I? |
Again, lots of big companies do ugly and questionable hacks. One example would be Kaspersky (ok, not big but you get my point) . It hooks Windows in all sorts of fugly manners. It's a subject of some controversy last time I looked. Maybe they cleaned up their act since the last time I looked...
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