Love - Simple biochemical explanation.
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AnimalMother




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PostPosted: Tue, 30th Sep 2008 23:52    Post subject: Love - Simple biochemical explanation.
Lutzifer wrote:
if he just got a new girlfriend he is flying high on hormones and sure has other things to think about than male bonding. Just let him off the hook for the next weeks. The hormone rush usually stops after 3-5 months so go figure when he ll be right in the head again =)


Ended up writing this as a reply to a post in another thread, thought people might be interested. This post is a basic explanation of the biochemical basis of love, read and understand you can't control this!

Actually the average length of the infatuation period is 8 months. After that your bodies gradual downegulation of phenethylamine receptors means that oxytocin then takes over as the primary provocation of romantic attachment.

High phenethylamine levels interfere with linear synaptic transmission in the frontal lobe, impairing your ability to make rational decisions regarding impulse control and future planning. This is why many people make stupid decisions during this infatuation phase of a new relationship.

Oxytocin, is far more benign and tolerence is almost non-existant so it has a consistent but mild effect. After this initial period any flaws in your partner become much more apparent. The down regulation of receptors to compensate for the increased phenethylamine presence is the primary reason for the sense of loss and depression after a relationship ends and levels return to normal. Your body needs to restore your sensitivity.

The thing is even understanding the neurochemical mechanisms behind romantic bonding doesn't make you any less resistant to it. I get as fucked up as anyone after relationships fail. Pisses me off how we are all slaves to our neurochemical processes. Evil or Very Mad


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PostPosted: Wed, 1st Oct 2008 01:14    Post subject:
Seems like you have done some soul searching these days to actually put the effort into writing that. Made some sense to me so thanks Smile
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PostPosted: Wed, 1st Oct 2008 01:30    Post subject:
I got my own access to Oxytocin.
And I Od on endorphins every night.

my brain is buggered up tho. but i get what you're saying. sort of sux to be all sciency and such. so much for believing in luv and the like. it's jus the brain being all wonky like. kinda lame. But meh... at least now i know i wasn't going insane when i broke up with a cheating cunt. It's was all my brains doing.


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PostPosted: Wed, 1st Oct 2008 01:41    Post subject:
lol u call that simple? Laughing

love=sex

now that's simple
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PostPosted: Wed, 1st Oct 2008 01:46    Post subject:
or sex = love



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PostPosted: Wed, 1st Oct 2008 01:51    Post subject:
whatever
result is the same, babies or some venereal disease or both, in which case u pretty much fkd anyway and all that for some 10 secs of pleasure, of which u'll probably regret for the rest of your life
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PostPosted: Wed, 1st Oct 2008 02:01    Post subject:
WaldoJ wrote:
I got my own access to Oxytocin.
And I Od on endorphins every night.

my brain is buggered up tho. but i get what you're saying. sort of sux to be all sciency and such. so much for believing in luv and the like. it's jus the brain being all wonky like. kinda lame. But meh... at least now i know i wasn't going insane when i broke up with a cheating cunt. It's was all my brains doing.


dude, you do know that if you abuse Oxy, its like abusing heroin, you need a shit load more drugs plus detox to get off em....

Unless you need em, dont take em man. Stick to smoking weed or something.

Oxy is a very dangerous drug


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PostPosted: Wed, 1st Oct 2008 02:04    Post subject:
no oxytocin isn't oxycotin. oxytocin is a tingie your brain releases when you have an orgasm and it feels pretty and stuffs. methinks. it's a brain thing. it's not a drug drug. it's a braindrug. just like endorphins. they make me smile lots. Very Happy


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PostPosted: Wed, 1st Oct 2008 02:06    Post subject:
WaldoJ wrote:
no oxytocin isn't oxycotin. oxytocin is a tingie your brain releases when you have an orgasm and it feels pretty and stuffs. methinks. it's a brain thing. it's not a drug drug. it's a braindrug. just like endorphins. they make me smile lots. Very Happy


hmmm, give me a link to oxytocin...i have never heard of it and I suspect youve been had


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PostPosted: Wed, 1st Oct 2008 02:10    Post subject:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxytocin

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In romantic love, when two people have sex, oxytocin is released, which helps bond the relationship. According to researchers at the University of California, San Francisco, the hormone oxytocin has been shown to be "associated with the ability to maintain healthy interpersonal relationships and healthy psychological boundaries with other people." When it is released during orgasm, it begins creating an emotional bond -- the more sex, the greater the bond. Oxytocin is also associated with mother/infant bonding, uterine contractions during labor in childbirth and the "let down" reflex necessary for breastfeeding. (How Stuff Works, 2007)


It's not a pill... it's a feeling. I'm high on a feeling. Lalalalalala.


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PostPosted: Wed, 1st Oct 2008 02:12    Post subject:
hahaha my mistake then man

I thought we were talking about drugs Smile


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PostPosted: Wed, 1st Oct 2008 02:15    Post subject:
I for one beg to disagree, I do agree and understand with what has been said above, but I believe that it isn't "love" the subject.
it can be desire, passion, whatever, but not love.

I do agree that every emotion is nothing more than a biochemical process, I agree with that statement, but I strongly disagree with the misconception that love is driven from sexuality.

Love is the emotion that enables one to admire, protect, and value something or someone.
Passion or desire are the true names of the emotion that AnimalMother was describing above.

A Human can love an object, an idea, a country, a person, a child, a animal and so forth, and clearly that has nothing to do with sexuality.

the word love is mistakenly used so many often this days.

I do agree that many couples never enter the stage of feeling love for each other, only sexual desire that vanishes in a relatively small amount of time.

but as I mentioned, love, true love at least, is the feeling that a patriot, a father, a religious person feels.

love is not what you feel for a woman or a men when all things aside what you really want to do to he/she is fuck the hell out of them, that's not love at all, at least that is my opinion.
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PostPosted: Wed, 1st Oct 2008 02:27    Post subject:
WaldoJ wrote:
I got my own access to Oxytocin.
And I Od on endorphins every night.

my brain is buggered up tho. but i get what you're saying. sort of sux to be all sciency and such. so much for believing in luv and the like. it's jus the brain being all wonky like. kinda lame. But meh... at least now i know i wasn't going insane when i broke up with a cheating cunt. It's was all my brains doing.


Waldo when I move you have to come and visit me.

We are going to catch crabs off the docks and do all sort of fun things. I don’t want to hear about so much neg. thinking.
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PostPosted: Wed, 1st Oct 2008 02:49    Post subject:
For sure. I so want to go to BC. Maybe if im fit enough we can go kayaking too! Very Happy I'm so down for some crab though! Smile Arrgh! Might buy some this weekend and cook me some. Smile They sell live ones down here at the supermarket. I might just buy one and put it in a tank. lool!


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PostPosted: Wed, 1st Oct 2008 02:54    Post subject:
Ronhrin, its a two-way street in looking at this. Either you look at factors that can elicit the feeling of love from a biological point of view or from a cognitive / psychological one.

And there isnt just one kind of "love". So you are right and the others are too.

There is a great book from mil millington called "a certain chemistry" that is really funny and throws in some of the biological facts at the reader throughout the book. And it is really funny, if you care to laugh about the madness of hormone-induced idiocy and irrational break-ups and the like Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed, 1st Oct 2008 11:59    Post subject:
pistolshrimp wrote:


Waldo when I move you have to come and visit me.

We are going to catch crabs ...


Hmmm? STD related? Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed, 1st Oct 2008 12:37    Post subject:
Nailbiter wrote:
pistolshrimp wrote:


Waldo when I move you have to come and visit me.

We are going to catch crabs ...


Hmmm? STD related? Laughing


gotta spread the "love" dude Very Happy


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PostPosted: Wed, 1st Oct 2008 17:27    Post subject:
I ask myself, in my case, what if you don't have a frontal lobe anymore?


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PostPosted: Wed, 1st Oct 2008 19:16    Post subject:
Lutzifer wrote:
Ronhrin, its a two-way street in looking at this. Either you look at factors that can elicit the feeling of love from a biological point of view or from a cognitive / psychological one.

And there isnt just one kind of "love". So you are right and the others are too.

There is a great book from mil millington called "a certain chemistry" that is really funny and throws in some of the biological facts at the reader throughout the book. And it is really funny, if you care to laugh about the madness of hormone-induced idiocy and irrational break-ups and the like Very Happy


As in, the cognitive effects change the biological factors, rather than the biological factors influencing the cognitive effects, if I understand correctly?

God, I love the nervous system. I'll get back to you guys when I have a PhD in psychology.

AnimalMother, do I remember correctly when I remember you have an MSc in biology?
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PostPosted: Wed, 1st Oct 2008 19:35    Post subject:
its a hen-egg problem really. The influence can and does go both ways Wink
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PostPosted: Wed, 1st Oct 2008 19:46    Post subject:
Lutzifer wrote:
its a hen-egg problem really. The influence can and does go both ways Wink


Yes, but so far psychobiologists and some psychiatrists I talked to feel the biological reaction is more important whereas the cognitive psychologists feel the cognitive reaction is more important.

I wish they'd go ahead and definitely figure it out so I no longer have to decide for myself what to believe in. Makes life so much simpler.

Thinking for yourself is overrated.
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PostPosted: Wed, 1st Oct 2008 19:59    Post subject:
i think it depends on what cognitions and biological actions/reactions you look at. There are some very biologically driven responses like the fight-or-flight response. As far as love goes i d venture the guess that the predominance is phasic and dependend on the individual. Some people have less inhibitional power over their "hormones" and will fall in love faster, while others might be very rational about "falling in love" with the "right partner" and only after a decision is made the hormonal response will go into overdrive =)

Its hard to examine and there are alot of philosophical implications when you decide to see it either as a deterministic biological thing or a purely cognitive thing. And the answer most likely lies somewhere inbetween anyways Wink
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