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 Posted: Sun, 16th Nov 2008 23:09 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Part I criticizes the practice of Fractional-reserve banking and criticizes the creation of money through loans. The film's argument goes as following: Dollar bills get printed, or the money supply is increased, when the Fed buys Treasury Bonds. This money ends up in commercial banks. Then, once that money becomes a reserve in banks, it becomes "multiplied" through the Fractional-reserve system, and then loaned to customers. The film claims that such a system is "absurd" because the Interest that must be paid for the money that was loaned does not exist; it was never created. The film compares this system to a game of musical chairs, in which a person will always be left-out. The film does not attempt to go in detail to explain all that is involved with money and banking, but tries to explain the most basic aspect of the monetary system. This subject is also touched in the first Zeitgeist film.
Part II is a documentary style interview with John Perkins, in which he describes his role as a self-described Economic Hitman (EHM). He claims he helped CIA and the ruling political/corporate elites who have worked to undermine legitimate foreign regimes that put the interests of their populations before those of transnational corporations.
Part III describes the Venus Project, a proposal created by Jacque Fresco. The film promotes the Venus Project as a sustainable solution for mankind on Earth. Its main goal is to produce a "resource-based economy" using modern technology.
Part IV states that everything wrong with the world is "fundamentally the result of a collective ignorance of two of the most basic insights humans can have about reality -- the 'emergent' and 'symbiotic' aspects of natural law." |
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
official torrent link from film website
at google video
haven't watched yet
but not too enthusiastic.. the first one's part 1 was good but then descended into silliness
i hope it's more serious this time
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| Posted: Sun, 16th Nov 2008 23:31 Post subject: |
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yeah, this movie is much better than the first one.
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| Posted: Mon, 17th Nov 2008 09:01 Post subject: |
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Part one and two are the best and most frightening I'd say..
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| Posted: Mon, 17th Nov 2008 12:00 Post subject: |
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There is slightly less bullshit in the second part but only slightly.
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| Posted: Mon, 17th Nov 2008 12:13 Post subject: |
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| dsergei wrote: | | There is slightly less bullshit in the second part but only slightly. |
saying it's bullshit isn't worth a shit , proving it is bullshit , well that's something else
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| Posted: Mon, 17th Nov 2008 14:34 Post subject: |
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I have the good sense to understand that a resource based economy won't be a reality at least in the next 100 years mainly because of how the great majority of the population has been educated and how it doesn't question what if what it has been taught is logical or irrational, but one thing is for certain, long before the Zeitgeist movies ever being produced, I always had the conviction that something similar to a resource based economy would be the only way for humanity both individually and globally to get rid of the greatest obstacles it face, the monetary system is a giant wall in human advancement.
for example, we now have the technology and resources to start a slow colonization of Mars, but it won't happen for the next 15 to 20 years just because there is no investement on this subject, the same goes for many other technological and medical advancements.
the main argument against a resource based economy is that if this were to be implemented, nobody would do anything, everyone would just collect what few people worked for, well, I think that is the biggest misconception about humanity, we are explorers by nature, we are unable to just being sit down in our easy chairs for our entire lives, even if some minority would aquire this lifestyle, it would always be a small minority, and we just don't need for every single person to contribute for society to function, estimates are that only 25% to 30% of people would be require to "work" for society to function, and that some 20% would not work at all, with these to estimates in mind, we know that 80% of the population would always be rotating in making society work.
and without the monetary wall to block our progression, it wouldn't take that long until most of the services that require human intervention would be automatized.
there wouldn't be neither rich or poor, but there would always still be space for extraordinary people to be recognized for extraordinary work in several areas.
some of us are ready today for this change, but not most of us, this is just still in the future, but it is our future without a doubt.
to summarize just think of the Internet, the Internet society is the prototype for a resource based economy.
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| Posted: Mon, 17th Nov 2008 14:53 Post subject: |
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| FireMaster wrote: | | dsergei wrote: | | There is slightly less bullshit in the second part but only slightly. |
saying it's bullshit isn't worth a shit , proving it is bullshit , well that's something else |
I'd still be typing if i tried to prove anything. But i`ll give you this since i am interested in history of religion - people have cross checked the sources at the end of the first part of the first movie - the one about religioun - some of them contain nothing on the stuff mentioned in the movie and some straight out contradict the points made in the movie. That's why i say the second movie is better - it is a great eye-opener for the general public but it just states the obvious - anyone who has had any sort of higher education should understand how monetary economy works. The main source of bullshit in the second movie is their utopic Venus Project which sounds like good old communism and we've had enough of that.
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| Posted: Mon, 17th Nov 2008 21:55 Post subject: |
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| dsergei wrote: | | FireMaster wrote: | | dsergei wrote: | | There is slightly less bullshit in the second part but only slightly. |
saying it's bullshit isn't worth a shit , proving it is bullshit , well that's something else |
I'd still be typing if i tried to prove anything. But i`ll give you this since i am interested in history of religion - people have cross checked the sources at the end of the first part of the first movie - the one about religioun - some of them contain nothing on the stuff mentioned in the movie and some straight out contradict the points made in the movie. That's why i say the second movie is better - it is a great eye-opener for the general public but it just states the obvious - anyone who has had any sort of higher education should understand how monetary economy works. The main source of bullshit in the second movie is their utopic Venus Project which sounds like good old communism and we've had enough of that. |
not communism, if you read under the lines, it's more like liberal anarchy, and despite your pre-conceptions, it is very different from any political system ever implemented.
but as I said in the previous post, the great majority of the population isn't prepared for this just yet, but I have no doubt whatsoever, that in a undetermined future humanity would evolve to accept a resource based economy under a liberal anarchic system.
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What I hate the most is using word communism... Learn people!! It was socialism and Stalinism... If anyone would read Marx Capital, and his other books then you would see the difference. When you have the rule of people you have the ultimate end of history, that is the meaning of communism. Stalinism corrupted communism in the same manner that Hitler misused Nietzsche and his über mensch theory. You can't have the free rule of people if you have one person in charge of everything!
People are capable of more than being slaves to money and people who have it. The problem is in power and it's misuse. The one with power will always try to have more of it. If they can make you believe that you are so dependent on money, they can ultimately own you (from credits, and so on)... People just won't wake up, and it's sad...
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| Posted: Tue, 18th Nov 2008 08:09 Post subject: |
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I`m not saying that what we had in the USSR was communism. What i`m saying is that communism was an interesting concept which WAS similar to this Venus Project but look what happened. I seriously doubt that any sort of anarchy, liberal or not would work. Anarchy means that noone has power and someone will certainly grab it and make everyone suffer. I sort of agree with you Ronhrin - people are not ready - but i should say they will never be ready.
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| Posted: Tue, 18th Nov 2008 11:01 Post subject: |
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| dsergei wrote: | | I`m not saying that what we had in the USSR was communism. What i`m saying is that communism was an interesting concept which WAS similar to this Venus Project but look what happened. I seriously doubt that any sort of anarchy, liberal or not would work. Anarchy means that noone has power and someone will certainly grab it and make everyone suffer. I sort of agree with you Ronhrin - people are not ready - but i should say they will never be ready. |
For anyone to be in power, people need to grant him power in the first place, when you achieve a structure in society where there is no one above you and no one beneath you, then you achieve anarchy.
People are so brainwashed in the present day, they have so many misconceptions, that even if you are able to clear one out, they still have a million left.
people mistake organization with the need for a chief, people mistake money as a ultimate necessity, people even believe in the bible!
we need to slowly evolve to an anarchy, with time, more and more people will open their eyes, it may take 100, 200 years, but we'll get there.
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Man is a packanimal by instinct. We thrive with people leading us, not by anarchy. You speak of hundreds of years, but you are pretty much talking about altering our genetic instincts, which haven't been successfull since we came to exist, really.
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| FireMaster wrote: | | WELL I AM YOUR LEADER |
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