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SycoShaman
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 Posted: Mon, 10th Jan 2011 14:28 Post subject: Ur thoughts on Global Warming. |
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Lets get a mature, factual, respectful dialogue going on global warming.
No crack pot theories and the 12 families and shit.
Maybe we can come up with some decent idea's and take it to face book. Not only would it be good in general, but it would be good for nForce in terms of advertising. The moe the site makes, more sections, more goodness 
So, please, someone get the ball going.
I would but I don't want the thread to be biased by my initial posting.
PS
Feel free to start a thread like this on say...financial accountability.[/u][/i]
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chiv
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| Posted: Mon, 10th Jan 2011 14:54 Post subject: |
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my thoughts on global warming is that it doesnt matter... no matter how you spin it.
either its a fraud, in which case its all good - no need to worry
its true and we ARENT the major cause - then we cant really do shit about it because its just a normal cycle
its true and we ARE the cause - then we still cant do shit about stopping it, because it would require a combined international effort to change our very human nature and lifestyle which clearly wont happen.
i just think the only thing that scientists need to concern themselves with, is what we can do when it happens, not waste time trying to convince people it is or isnt happening or that we can somehow stop it...
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Frant
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| Posted: Mon, 10th Jan 2011 15:40 Post subject: |
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I think the truth is (as it usually is) a mix of several suggestions. There's a natural cycle where CO2 is released by the oceans. However, the last 60 years we've added to the natural release by burning fossil fuel, compounding the effects beyond what would naturally occur. In other words, we have tilted the balance in the wrong direction.
The only thing we can do is move away from fossil fuel, something the oil companies aren't the least bit interested in. As it's going to become more and more difficult to harvest oil, prices will go up which will dampen the usage somewhat, but China increased their import of oil with 18% last year which more than makes up for efforts made in the rest of the world.
There is CO2-scrubbing technology around but it's too expensive to do in mass scale (it costs energy). The best we can do is to end our dependence on fossil fuels for something else (hydrogen carried energy?) that is either CO2-neutral or doesn't involve CO2 in neither energy production or energy usage.
What's been done can't really be changed, but we can at least make an effort not to make it worse.
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| Posted: Mon, 10th Jan 2011 16:25 Post subject: |
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I also don't think that we are the main cause of it, but we ain't helping.
I also like to think that nature has some kind of 'fuck you filthy humans' method of payback 
You leak oil into the ocean? Here's nice little hurricane/flood/drought/famine/ejafjatlajekul for you. Now deal with it.
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson | chiv wrote: | | thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found. |
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spankie
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TSR69
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| Posted: Mon, 10th Jan 2011 17:21 Post subject: |
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I do share chiv's pessimism and spankie's insight. To change our oil driven economies will be hard, very hard. Majority of the industrial processes are all oil (or other fossil fuel) based. Furthermore it should be clear that the human population needs to go down, another perhaps impossible challenge.
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| Posted: Mon, 10th Jan 2011 20:08 Post subject: |
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global warming lol. who gives a shit ? i just want things stay like this for another 60-70 years and then the planet can go all kaboom for all i care
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| Posted: Mon, 10th Jan 2011 21:13 Post subject: |
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| inz wrote: | | dingo_d wrote: | I also don't think that we are the main cause of it, but we ain't helping.
I also like to think that nature has some kind of 'fuck you filthy humans' method of payback
You leak oil into the ocean? Here's nice little hurricane/flood/drought/famine/ejafjatlajekul for you. Now deal with it. |
Except we're part of nature just the same as everything else, good and bad. It's not like earth gives a fuck anyway, it just is.  |
Yeah, but we're the only one with power to do actual harm to the planet 
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson | chiv wrote: | | thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found. |
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| Posted: Mon, 10th Jan 2011 22:19 Post subject: |
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blablabla can we actually do something about it, even if it's ppl's fault? NO! even if we want to
we all too busy with working, paying taxes, eating, shitting etc, while big guys wage wars and literally pissing on everyone especially the global warming
all we can do is talk about it, simply like pissing on a wind and waiting for second baby jesus coming
bleh
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WaldoJ
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| Posted: Tue, 11th Jan 2011 07:14 Post subject: |
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There's nothing we can do.
The cause for global warming has become just another bank account waiting to be filled. Just like aids ridden babies in africa who die in thousands a year. We can do shit about it, but people who take charge are greedy cum-guzzling scum. Planet is going to shit and we aren't responsible and we won't be responsible. Shit all we can do but pay so more scary information that's been known for eons to be released and scare more money into the wallets of ASSHOLES.
All the studies and what not are funded to yield only 'positive (people are to blame and it's real and not a myth)' results. To get more money into the programs. That's complete bull shit which sort of discredits science. And it becoming the norm nowadays. Science says it is so, then it is true, then we must pay so they can find out more. Support knowledge. Support science. HATE ON RELIGION.
Science used to be awesome until it become money driven like the fucking vatican. FUCKING DISGUSTING.
It's all gay. Seriously. There is evidence that it's happening, and it has been happening since day 0.
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We've been spinning for millions of years. Earthquakes changing our orbit a minute bit affects the way we spin around the fireball in the sky. Winters get colder, summers get hotter. Floods/Hurricanes/Earthquakes Etc Etc Etc. It's all normal. Shit happens.
Unless it's all HAARP's doing to get billions of dollars to finalize it's weapon of doom to sink china and russia... but tin foil hats are for people who believe that little green men made contact with us and run the american government as if it's the only government in the whole world as if the whole world is only in North American I mean United State Of America...
Grrr!
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| Posted: Thu, 13th Jan 2011 19:42 Post subject: |
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Theres so many floods and large natural disasters happening around the world nowadays and they are happening with alarming regularity. Which could very well be down to global warming. Deforestation, pollution, Artic circle melting, diminishing ozone layer etc etc
Indonesian floods in Jakarta and in Malaysia a few year back would not have been so severe if it were not for deforestation thats a fact.
Who really knows for sure what it will mean on a global scale though over the course of future decades. With the world as it is now with the internet, news is reported in a matter of seconds and minutes so it brings such events much closer to home. In the old days before the net and mass media, the same shit could have been happening but no one just knew about it.
With human over population there is only so much land mass that is habitable (more and more of the landmass is turning to desert and becoming uninhabitable..in essence: nothing sustainable will grow there) so humans will naturally migrate and spread out to areas which were uninhabited before. Therefore increasing the likelihood of vicitims and fatalities where perhaps before there were none simply because no one lived there before.
It's not true that humans can not do anything about it. I think humans are more than capable to do something, we are certainly very good at wiping out other species we share the planet with, including ourselves.
it's more a case of whether people choose too. How many people do follow energy saving guidelines anyway?. Switiching off lights not in use, recycling etc etc..
The real fear is if people ignore it only to realise only when it's too late already. Or perhaps it already is?. The attitudes of western countries is too turn a blind eye simply because it doesn't affect them, maybe it is only a matter of time though. If it does turn out to be true then it will only be a matter of time before that is no longer the case.
The world as it nowadays is not focused on preservation or maintaing but simply the selfish pursuit of wealth which I think is ethically wrong.
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helvete
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Rofl_Mao
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| Posted: Thu, 13th Jan 2011 21:36 Post subject: |
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My thought is that nature has become fed up with mankind and will have revenge. What with all the floods recently.
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Rofl_Mao
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| Posted: Thu, 13th Jan 2011 21:38 Post subject: |
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| spankie wrote: | Discussing global change is as useful as discussing evolution.
It is there, denying it is retarded. You can have fruitful discussion on details (working behind the comma as I would say), but these are mostly spoiled by fanatics that end up in a retarded fight with void arguments on both sides.
And as long policy makers are selfish pricks, nothing will change. They cannot even look 4 years ahead because they have to win the souls to get reelected, how can you expect them to take decisions that are not popular and might have a payback only 2 generations away?
And all the people denying global warming - because the winter is so fucking cold this year (!) - go to Switzerland. I have been going there for 10 years or so and glaciers are running away while looking at it. Permanent snow is retreating by 100meters/year sometimes. Irreversible, permanent.
And if you are not diversifying your energy input - getting rid of the oil that is - because of environmental reasons, do it to fight terrorism (cough cough, keep the money away from the arabs), reduce energy consumption (and thus $$ expenses) or to have more stable prices instead of fluctuating oil prices. Noone will be harmed by that |
I think policy makers are selfish pricks because the people elect selfish pricks. Green parties have always been present in most Western democracies, but have never been very popular. Probably because "saving the planet" is a costly long term investment.
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| Posted: Thu, 13th Jan 2011 21:40 Post subject: |
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I don't really care to be honest. If there is such a thing, my individual actions or behaviour will do nothing to change it. So I will keep living my life as it is and spend time doing stuff that I enjoy rather than worry about shit that will or won't happen without me going on being stressed out about it and discussing my stance/opinion and blah blah blah scientists and funding and bogus and whatever.
Yes, yes I'm back.
Somewhat.
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Fri, 14th Jan 2011 04:04 Post subject: |
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A lot of u guys make good points. However, every scientist I've heard talk about this is that we have till 2020 to a) stop the damage b) begin to reverse it.
Canada and Austrailia are leaders in this. But if the US and China don't agree with everyone else then fuck...we're screwed
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chiv
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| Posted: Fri, 14th Jan 2011 06:42 Post subject: |
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lulz... get china onboard indeed. hahahaha. the country that doesnt give a fuck about anything except its own CURRENT prosperity? why would you even MENTION china as if it was even a remote option?
i mean i dont hold out much hope for america, but atleast theres a slim chance there...., but china... wow... we'll invent space travel for the masses AND discover other habitable planets, before we could ever rely on fucking china to start giving a shit about the bigger picture
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| Posted: Fri, 14th Jan 2011 06:43 Post subject: |
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| SycoShaman wrote: | A lot of u guys make good points. However, every scientist I've heard talk about this is that we have till 2020 to a) stop the damage b) begin to reverse it.
Canada and Austrailia are leaders in this. But if the US and China don't agree with everyone else then fuck...we're screwed |
nah, there's no reversal. The Earth was goung hot naturally, we have just speed up the process a bit 
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
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