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Teramos




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PostPosted: Wed, 31st Dec 2008 13:47    Post subject: Windows 7
anyone here installed it? just replaced vista sp2beta with it, and i have to say thats the best os i have ever installed. everything is so fast in relation to vista... new taskbar is very nice too, much cleaner and organized than before.

only x86 version avaiable at the moment but this os rocks Smile stable as hell, only minor bugs iยดve encountered so far (gadgets not working) vista driver for my 9600m gt works too, so far im very impressed. memory usage in windows 7 is only 600-800 mb thats nearly the half of vista and it looks cleaner and nicer and feels so much faster... try it Wink
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PostPosted: Wed, 31st Dec 2008 14:01    Post subject:
"gadgets not working"

I read that you most have UAC on if you want to use gadgets.


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PostPosted: Wed, 31st Dec 2008 16:03    Post subject:
tried it,has the same MB of RAM usage of vista here on 7.Thou Vista when he uses it up the RAM it keeps it abit for himself for future uses,..if u disable superfetch the OS will take more time to boot up..it sucks (vista),hope W7 takes less RAM!! ><


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PostPosted: Wed, 31st Dec 2008 16:52    Post subject:
vista is not that bad really when cut back.. when i boot up i end a few task i have running for myself and with 4gb ram its running at 17% usage.. perfectly fine for all my gaming so far.
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PostPosted: Wed, 31st Dec 2008 17:15    Post subject:
Oh dear, here we go again. What's the point of having RAM if you don't use it to your advantage? Vista makes use of that free RAM to makes thing start and work faster, and this is the same as Windows 7. If you feel paranoid like DV2, then stay with XP. Hell, go with 2000, that one doesn't waste a few KB of RAM for useless stuff like Windows Firewall and skins. Very Happy

I have build 7000 (which is either the Beta 1 build or very close to it) on my laptop for a few days, had 6956 on the laptop before that. I have to admit, it is amazing! It is faster than Vista (the laptop only has 1GB of RAM), and it is more stable than Vista was when it was first released in 2006. The new taskbar is very useful. I had my doubts, but after testing it in action for some time, I must admit I miss it dearly in my main Vista PC. It is faster to get to programs (because everything I run is on the taskbar now), it is very easy to choose windows only from specific programs, the peek is nice to use. The graphics drivers are not ready yet for primetime gaming use, but for watching movies they just fine (also the AMD drivers are much better than the nVidia drivers for W7 at this point, so enjoy it while it lasts Razz).

*Fanboi Alert* *Fanboi Alert* *Fanboi Alert* Razz So I will stop now.
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PostPosted: Wed, 31st Dec 2008 17:34    Post subject:
since when is it ok for an operating system to use 600-700mb ram?

i got 4gb ram myself but that doesnt mean windows can go ahead and use at will , remember we are talking about an operating system, basicly windows loads an xvid movie into your ram and have it sit there from the startup on.

to the notion that vista "makes good use of ram" to make programs start faster , under xp that uses 100mb ram i can do the same thing but even better , i set all the programs i need under windows to start at windows startup, and then i basicly only need to alt tab which means instant "startup" of my programs, using less ram than vista and overal faster OS too.

is it that hard to program an windows that uses less ram and is faster? i dont want a 485 in 1 software package.


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PostPosted: Wed, 31st Dec 2008 17:50    Post subject:
Hahaha,nah,not paranoid anymore my friend iNatan^^..i finally bought the 1GB DDR2 667mhz Kingston RAM for 8,50โ‚ฌ and i installed a full MSDN Vista Ultimate SP1 32bit (no Lite5) on my 2nd HDD (200GB compared to the 400GB main 1).Vista,on the welcome center,says 4GB,so i'm ok with that,even if it doesnt uses all of the RAM.(600-800RAM on startup with KIS8 n MSN n Logitech G15).The FUN fact is that i've tried BIOSHOCK on Vista and runs hella better than XP <b>ALL FULL 1650x1050 + DX10 + MAX SETTINGS </b> (no slow downs at 1st Lil sis scene) and at the G15 kboard said i was just usin' 40% of RAM..i tought "4GB/50% = 2GB,40% = 1,70GB?)..when the back of the BS box says "recommended settings 2GB of RAM"..i dun get it...Oo

OOOOK,back to W7B7000 topic

I loved the new interface,those smaller taskbar icons are perfect when you have multiple windows on..Also Aero was already activated n stuff^^..Thou i prefer deactivatin' it for fast loadin' n stuff..also animated taskbar icons (like the flash when choosin' IE8 or the colours of the start logo X3)

Lets hope W7 is the successor of XP n Vista SP1 if u kno' what i mean...Now something M$ shall do is "LESS RAM USAGE" grinhurt

and like iNatan said..FANBOI ALERT XDDDD

PD: Moosenoodles,whaddya mean by "Cut Back"?,couldnt you just go to msconfig and disable the startup stuff,also disable services?

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PostPosted: Wed, 31st Dec 2008 18:22    Post subject:
Stefan F wrote:
since when is it ok for an operating system to use 600-700mb ram?

i got 4gb ram myself but that doesnt mean windows can go ahead and use at will , remember we are talking about an operating system, basicly windows loads an xvid movie into your ram and have it sit there from the startup on.

to the notion that vista "makes good use of ram" to make programs start faster , under xp that uses 100mb ram i can do the same thing but even better , i set all the programs i need under windows to start at windows startup, and then i basicly only need to alt tab which means instant "startup" of my programs, using less ram than vista and overal faster OS too.

What you failed to mention is Vista will release all the extra RAM in use if you actually need it. Smile But if you like XP and think it runs faster for you, then that is also great. Smile BTW, do you have things like Visual Studio, Photoshop, Word, Powerpoint etc start at startup? Laughing

BTW, this discussion is viable for W7 as well, because the same technology is in W7 as well. Smile
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PostPosted: Wed, 31st Dec 2008 18:42    Post subject:
WXP booting shows like..18 scrolling bars (KIS2009 + MSN + Trillian)
WVUSP1 = 9 + the black screen (KIS2009 + MSN)

EDIT: 9 + BScreen because there was my external HDD connected..without = 19 bars + black screen..

I own PSCS4 n ICS4 (illustrator),but i dun load 'em up at the startup bcz well,i dont draw stuff everytime i boot up my PC,now would i? XDDDD

but isnt it strange?..i'm playin' now,for testing purposes,Assassin's Creed on max settings AND DIRECTX10 (ok,it doesnt run at 60FPS or what TEAM FORTRESS 2 normally runs at),and it was supposed that it requires 3 friggin GB of RAM,yet Logitech G15 shows 40% of usage....and the Task manager shows 1,31GB of Use....but 40% CPU using...umm can sum1 explain?..


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PostPosted: Wed, 31st Dec 2008 18:57    Post subject:
It doesn't require 3GB, I played AC when I had 2GB on max and it was fine, no stutters. It's a console port, remember, so probably has some lower resolution textures. If you want a real RAM tester, get Crysis (and Warhead). Razz These can reach pretty high numbers.
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PostPosted: Wed, 31st Dec 2008 18:58    Post subject:
iNatan wrote:
Stefan F wrote:
since when is it ok for an operating system to use 600-700mb ram?

i got 4gb ram myself but that doesnt mean windows can go ahead and use at will , remember we are talking about an operating system, basicly windows loads an xvid movie into your ram and have it sit there from the startup on.

to the notion that vista "makes good use of ram" to make programs start faster , under xp that uses 100mb ram i can do the same thing but even better , i set all the programs i need under windows to start at windows startup, and then i basicly only need to alt tab which means instant "startup" of my programs, using less ram than vista and overal faster OS too.

What you failed to mention is Vista will release all the extra RAM in use if you actually need it. Smile But if you like XP and think it runs faster for you, then that is also great. Smile BTW, do you have things like Visual Studio, Photoshop, Word, Powerpoint etc start at startup? Laughing

BTW, this discussion is viable for W7 as well, because the same technology is in W7 as well. Smile


I guess you're also tired of seeing the same mistake perpetuated in eternity regarding the memory handling in Vista. I think I've explained it a dozen times or more in my days and yet that's just a drop in the huge ocean of ignorance. Wink

For the still confused:

Vista sees free RAM and figures: "what's the point with unused RAM that just sits there doing nothing for anyone?". So Vista use all that free RAM to cache (superfetch) start-up parts of applications, boot files, prefetch data and so on. That's completely different from how XP and earlier OS'es worked, and that's where the confusion comes from I think.

As soon as an application/game want RAM, Vista instantly gives the wanted amount to the application/game. When you quit the application, the freed RAM goes back into the cache pool.


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PostPosted: Wed, 31st Dec 2008 19:28    Post subject:
Frant wrote:
I guess you're also tired of seeing the same mistake perpetuated in eternity regarding the memory handling in Vista. I think I've explained it a dozen times or more in my days and yet that's just a drop in the huge ocean of ignorance. Wink

Laughing You have no idea! Razz
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PostPosted: Wed, 31st Dec 2008 19:43    Post subject:
i was havin' a lil doubt..is it recommended to have a USB Kingston to use ready boost?..if so,how many GB for my 3,25/4GB of RAM?


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PostPosted: Wed, 31st Dec 2008 19:51    Post subject:
DV2 wrote:
i was havin' a lil doubt..is it recommended to have a USB Kingston 1GB to use Readyboost?..or it's ok lettin' it load without one?


Readyboost doesn't make much of a difference if you have 2GB of RAM or more, it's only useful for people with less than 2GB RAM (it's used to cache 4kb pages since it excels at seek-performance while it sucks in transfer performance). Google around, I've seen plenty of Readyboost benchmarks, perhaps one of them will have a system close to yours that you can compare with.


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PostPosted: Wed, 31st Dec 2008 20:03    Post subject:
Yep,ya right,i've checked now on google (i did b4 but no much luck) and yeah,if ya want faster stuff,go get more RAM,bitches! grinhurt

I already did lots of tuning on Vista..i'll list 'em here,since it helps,like iNatan said,for Windows 7 ALSO..

-Disable Services (from recommended lists usin' google SPANISH)
-Disable Aero
-Disable some startup applications
-Disable Gadgets and anything that doesnt "suits you" from ya XP xperience (taskbar icons etc..)

if anyone else has tips of reducin' RAM usage or faster loading please write here..i hope <<..>w<!

Meanwhile i'll keep testin' applz on Vista (atleast i found SoundMax drivers for Vista..future style! grinhurt)


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PostPosted: Wed, 31st Dec 2008 20:05    Post subject:
DV2 wrote:
-Disable Aero

Laughing Why would you want to do that? It makes everything so much smoother because of the hardware acceleration. Or were you too worried about the 10-20MB it takes from your 4GB of RAM? Razz
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PostPosted: Wed, 31st Dec 2008 20:20    Post subject:
BTW This is how 7 looks in "classic" mode:

 Spoiler:
 


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PostPosted: Wed, 31st Dec 2008 21:14    Post subject:
iNatan wrote:
BTW This is how 7 looks in "classic" mode:

 Spoiler:
 


Laughing


I think i'm gonna puke...@@;....

PD: Aero enabled <P


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PostPosted: Wed, 31st Dec 2008 21:26    Post subject:
iNatan wrote:
BTW This is how 7 looks in "classic" mode:

 Spoiler:
 


Laughing


that's odd
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_removed_from_Windows_7

Quote:
Classic Start menu and classic Taskbar


maybe it's removed in final build then


yes
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PostPosted: Wed, 31st Dec 2008 22:58    Post subject:
This is neither classic Start menu nor taskbar, this is just the classic skin Laughing Yes, it makes everything that ugly that new features can't be recognized. Razz
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PostPosted: Wed, 31st Dec 2008 23:00    Post subject:
Or maybe Wiki is just wrong .. and not for the first time?

Leo, how's the gaming performance on Win7 b1? I was waiting for the x64 release to hit, then I plan on installing it. If the gaming performance is up to par with Vista, I'm considering taking the plunge and running it as a primary. All the previews I've read so far, of each beta build, have done nothing but sing praises. I LOVE Vista, but hey - if Win7 is faster; count me in!
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PostPosted: Wed, 31st Dec 2008 23:17    Post subject:
sabin1981 wrote:
Or maybe Wiki is just wrong .. and not for the first time?

Leo, how's the gaming performance on Win7 b1? I was waiting for the x64 release to hit, then I plan on installing it. If the gaming performance is up to par with Vista, I'm considering taking the plunge and running it as a primary. All the previews I've read so far, of each beta build, have done nothing but sing praises. I LOVE Vista, but hey - if Win7 is faster; count me in!


Earlier builds (think 6600+) were lightning fast, then with each major build things got a little slower due to added features with accompanying debug code always running (as well as minor bugs), and I'd say the M3 build (6801) is similar to Vista as far as gaming and responsiveness is. I haven't gotten my hands on Beta 1 yet so I can't say anything about that (I'm not going to get a pirated version which would get me kicked out), but remember that up until build 7000 (beta 1) there were debug code running that seemed to bring Win7 down to Vista levels. Can't wait to get my hands on a legit Beta1 build though. Razz


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PostPosted: Wed, 31st Dec 2008 23:41    Post subject:
Wiki is not wrong, you can't revert back to the old start menu and old taskbar (ergo expect people to bitch endlessly Razz).

I'm waiting for a 64bit version of the 7000 build to install on my main PC, so I can't comment on gaming just yet.
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PostPosted: Wed, 31st Dec 2008 23:49    Post subject:
My original plan was to wait until the end of Jan, where MS send out the official Beta1 builds. I'll snag one then.
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PostPosted: Wed, 31st Dec 2008 23:51    Post subject:
You can get it now and use the key later Razz But wait for 64bit to use the 4GB RAM.
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PostPosted: Wed, 31st Dec 2008 23:52    Post subject:
Aye, that's what I've been doing - waiting for 64bit. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu, 1st Jan 2009 08:05    Post subject:
Stefan F wrote:
since when is it ok for an operating system to use 600-700mb ram?

i got 4gb ram myself but that doesnt mean windows can go ahead and use at will , remember we are talking about an operating system, basicly windows loads an xvid movie into your ram and have it sit there from the startup on.

to the notion that vista "makes good use of ram" to make programs start faster , under xp that uses 100mb ram i can do the same thing but even better , i set all the programs i need under windows to start at windows startup, and then i basicly only need to alt tab which means instant "startup" of my programs, using less ram than vista and overal faster OS too.

is it that hard to program an windows that uses less ram and is faster? i dont want a 485 in 1 software package.


/end rant


hahaha no its not. i mean windows.... come on! easy as fuck to program! its like point & click in DoS. anyway if you dont like it then make your own os and make it support everything that windows supports. and remeber! you only have 3 days to do it! i mean come on. is it really that hard to make a "windows"?
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PostPosted: Thu, 1st Jan 2009 12:10    Post subject:
boffa86 wrote:
Stefan F wrote:
since when is it ok for an operating system to use 600-700mb ram?

i got 4gb ram myself but that doesnt mean windows can go ahead and use at will , remember we are talking about an operating system, basicly windows loads an xvid movie into your ram and have it sit there from the startup on.

to the notion that vista "makes good use of ram" to make programs start faster , under xp that uses 100mb ram i can do the same thing but even better , i set all the programs i need under windows to start at windows startup, and then i basicly only need to alt tab which means instant "startup" of my programs, using less ram than vista and overal faster OS too.

is it that hard to program an windows that uses less ram and is faster? i dont want a 485 in 1 software package.


/end rant


hahaha no its not. i mean windows.... come on! easy as fuck to program! its like point & click in DoS. anyway if you dont like it then make your own os and make it support everything that windows supports. and remeber! you only have 3 days to do it! i mean come on. is it really that hard to make a "windows"?


were you that bored?
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PostPosted: Thu, 1st Jan 2009 12:45    Post subject:
Stefan F wrote:
boffa86 wrote:
Stefan F wrote:
since when is it ok for an operating system to use 600-700mb ram?

i got 4gb ram myself but that doesnt mean windows can go ahead and use at will , remember we are talking about an operating system, basicly windows loads an xvid movie into your ram and have it sit there from the startup on.

to the notion that vista "makes good use of ram" to make programs start faster , under xp that uses 100mb ram i can do the same thing but even better , i set all the programs i need under windows to start at windows startup, and then i basicly only need to alt tab which means instant "startup" of my programs, using less ram than vista and overal faster OS too.

is it that hard to program an windows that uses less ram and is faster? i dont want a 485 in 1 software package.


/end rant


hahaha no its not. i mean windows.... come on! easy as fuck to program! its like point & click in DoS. anyway if you dont like it then make your own os and make it support everything that windows supports. and remeber! you only have 3 days to do it! i mean come on. is it really that hard to make a "windows"?


were you that bored?


ownd Very Happy

But get xsos 3 then it gets out, it's not windows but is said to be abel to use dx10 and it's 64bit.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=170601
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PostPosted: Thu, 1st Jan 2009 13:06    Post subject:
XSOS is bullshit and is never coming out. Everytime someone asks a technical question, or asks for more information, they get jumped on by a buch of uppity pricks all saying "Go code your own!!!!"

NN is a lying bitch.
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