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 Posted: Sun, 8th Feb 2009 19:18 Post subject: [OTHER] Intel will design PlayStation 4 GPU |
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FOR THE NEXT next generation of consoles, PS4, XBox3 and Wii2, it looks like Intel is in, Nvidia is out. The picture for their GPUs is starting to become clear.
Yeah, Intel won the PS4 GPU, no shock considering how much they needed a console win to get people coding for Larrabee. They can either convince companies to put in a code path for the chip in Big Budget Mediocre Sequel 7: Vengeance of the Farmland Creatures by sending people with wads of money and begging, or get a console win. They got a console win, and it was the right way to go.
Some people hanging around the Sony booth at CES were nice enough to let us in on the scoop. It seems Nvidia has proverbially bent Sony over like they did MS on the XBox, and are not really welcome there any more. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of guys, either way, but hardly an unexpected outcome.
Sony is looking pretty desperate nowadays with a multi-billion dollar loss in 2008, and more pain on the way for 2009. The PS3 has utterly failed in the market, and there was a lot of talk about whether or not there was going to be a PS4 at all. Sony needed a reliable partner with deep pockets which would actually be there in 2012 to fund this exercise in DRM, and it found one in Intel. Damn good choice really.
The nice Sony engineering lady at CES told us that Intel essentially bought the win, a theoretically good architecture, no imminent threats of going bust, and not being hated by Sony all contributed too. With a couple of deliverables satisfied, the PS4 GPU belongs to Intel. No word if this is going to be the entire architecture, CPU as well, or not. That, from what we are told, is not final yet.
Moving on to the the XBox3 GPU, also due in 2012, we hear strong rumors (but have not confirmed yet) that it is an ATI design. Given the close ties between ATI and MS over DirectX, the bad blood between Nvidia and MS over the grand Nvidia DX10 neutering, plus memories of the XBox1, this is not a surprise either. The bed was made for short-term profits years ago, time to lie in it.
That brings us to the Wii2, also due around the same time. Given that the ArtX / ATI guys have won about every Nintendo GPU since they went 3D, this one appears to be a no-brainer. If you take into account that it will likely be evolutionary, it is almost assuredly an ATI win as well, but we haven't confirmed it either way.
So in the end, you have Intel with one GPU confirmed, Larrabee, and ATI with another almost totally confirmed. The third is still unknown but likely will be ATI as well. Notice there is no Nvidia in this equation.
That will hamstring the egos in green badly soon, forcing them to spend a lot more on developer relations and tools if they can't claw back a console win. The games for 2012 start coding in a year, so the effects will be leading, not trailing for them.
The only real way for them to get a win at this point is to buy it, and they 1) don't have any money. 2) are bidding against someone who has money 3) are bidding against someone who they picked a stupid public fight with and 4) are hated by the two companies that make the consoles they target. This brilliant management strategy combines to mean they are locked out, if they survive that long.
Next next gen consoles also will likely have a CPU which we know nothing about. That said, given that Intel will basically be designing large swathes of the PS4, it would seem to be leaning toward x86. Given that, and MS's inclination toward x86 software, that would seem a natural path for them to follow as well, if for no other reason than to protect the living room from the ARM scourge running Linux.
With that, we have the first hard info on the next next generation gaming boxes. Given silicon time scales, three years out means work starts about now. ATI and Intel have work to do, but it should be very interesting when all things are done, a radical shift towards the PC of a magnitude not seen since the Playstation replaced cartridges with CDs.
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| Posted: Sun, 8th Feb 2009 23:20 Post subject: |
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I believe it on the moment the companies itself confirm this , sofar for me this is speculation
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Ispep
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| Posted: Mon, 9th Feb 2009 00:55 Post subject: |
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Things can change very rapidly in console development, we've seen it happen many times in the past.
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| Posted: Mon, 9th Feb 2009 01:01 Post subject: |
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i thought sony were dedicated to giving the ps3 a ten year lifespan? whats all this talk about 2012? are they saying ps4 will be released that year? or are they saying ps4 development will begin then?
they mention coding starts soon for 2012's games, and they make a big deal out of it, so i'm assuming they mean those games will be the console's launch line-up.
i don't beleive it.
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| Posted: Mon, 9th Feb 2009 14:16 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Mon, 9th Feb 2009 14:47 Post subject: |
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not a great read but purely speculation.
Personally, even if 2012 was on the cards its too early to predict what they're putting in the machines. A 2016 looks far more likely and who's to say what technology will be around especially when networking tech will have moved along a lot.
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| Posted: Mon, 9th Feb 2009 17:47 Post subject: |
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yups... if the companies begin now forging alliances for a next next gen consoles, they are commiting a economic managment crime. as those alliances, involves contracts that can't be let beside with no economic comsequence...
no one could predict the future of those companies in 3 or 4 more years. (so, getting involved with a expensive contract could be devastating).
sony should learned from their mistakes with the ps3. one of them was the marketing campaign that started 3 years or more before the launch, they have forged alliances since the very same day of the idea of developing the ps3 and they couldn't use another tech. while the development, since the contractual alliances.
speculation, that may have the effect of droping the nvidia stocks...
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| Posted: Mon, 9th Feb 2009 18:39 Post subject: |
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| kumkss wrote: |
sony should learned from their mistakes with the ps3. one of them was the marketing campaign that started 3 years or more before the launch, they have forged alliances since the very same day of the idea of developing the ps3 and they couldn't use another tech. while the development, since the contractual alliances.
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Ps3 can´t be cracked and even with a crack blue ray media is too expensive,that´s why sell are so low.
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| Posted: Mon, 9th Feb 2009 18:51 Post subject: |
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| GeorgeIvanovich wrote: | | kumkss wrote: |
sony should learned from their mistakes with the ps3. one of them was the marketing campaign that started 3 years or more before the launch, they have forged alliances since the very same day of the idea of developing the ps3 and they couldn't use another tech. while the development, since the contractual alliances.
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Ps3 can´t be cracked and even with a crack blue ray media is too expensive,that´s why sell are so low. |
bullshit. look at the wii, 80% of the ppl who bought one probably don't even know what a modchip is and it outsold everything.
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| Posted: Mon, 9th Feb 2009 18:54 Post subject: |
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| bushwacka wrote: | | GeorgeIvanovich wrote: | | kumkss wrote: |
sony should learned from their mistakes with the ps3. one of them was the marketing campaign that started 3 years or more before the launch, they have forged alliances since the very same day of the idea of developing the ps3 and they couldn't use another tech. while the development, since the contractual alliances.
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Ps3 can´t be cracked and even with a crack blue ray media is too expensive,that´s why sell are so low. |
bullshit. look at the wii, 80% of the ppl who bought one probably don't even know what a modchip is and it outsold everything. |
What???? a lot of wii are already sold with the chip instaled
Why a console like 360 with more ratio failure and dvd media sells more than a console with less hardware failures and blue ray.
Believe me the day ps3 got a cheap crack sales will jump
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Feb 2009 01:23 Post subject: |
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| GeorgeIvanovich wrote: | | bushwacka wrote: | | GeorgeIvanovich wrote: |
Ps3 can´t be cracked and even with a crack blue ray media is too expensive,that´s why sell are so low. |
bullshit. look at the wii, 80% of the ppl who bought one probably don't even know what a modchip is and it outsold everything. |
What???? a lot of wii are already sold with the chip instaled
Why a console like 360 with more ratio failure and dvd media sells more than a console with less hardware failures and blue ray.
Believe me the day ps3 got a cheap crack sales will jump |
By the time PS3 gets THAT cheap, Xbox 360 will be 90 bucks with 3x the games.
OR, the next gen consoles will be coming out. Sony can't go much cheaper. They are already losing their ass cracks on PS3.
Oh, and thats why the Xbox sells more. More games. Was same story with PS2 and the original Xbox. PS2 had more games. This time around, the shoe is on the other foot.
I know plenty (nearly everybody i know in fact) that own a 360 and none of them have it modified. Our neighbors both have them. Neither have them modified.
Wii sells because of kids. And the price.
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Feb 2009 01:37 Post subject: |
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| Big_Gun wrote: | | GeorgeIvanovich wrote: | | bushwacka wrote: |
bullshit. look at the wii, 80% of the ppl who bought one probably don't even know what a modchip is and it outsold everything. |
What???? a lot of wii are already sold with the chip instaled
Why a console like 360 with more ratio failure and dvd media sells more than a console with less hardware failures and blue ray.
Believe me the day ps3 got a cheap crack sales will jump |
By the time PS3 gets THAT cheap, Xbox 360 will be 90 bucks with 3x the games.
OR, the next gen consoles will be coming out. Sony can't go much cheaper. They are already losing their ass cracks on PS3.
Oh, and thats why the Xbox sells more. More games. Was same story with PS2 and the original Xbox. PS2 had more games. This time around, the shoe is on the other foot.
I know plenty (nearly everybody i know in fact) that own a 360 and none of them have it modified. Our neighbors both have them. Neither have them modified.
Wii sells because of kids. And the price. |
yeah, that's what i meant. a console's overall commercial performance neither depends on priacy nor the abilty to mod it, but solely on the quantity as well as quality of the games available.
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Feb 2009 01:41 Post subject: |
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if $ony would've droped ps2 for good like m$ did, they could've concentrate on making quality and quantity for ps3
greed is their main problem, ps3 is overpriced just like all their other products
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Feb 2009 02:06 Post subject: |
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| Mortibus wrote: | if $ony would've droped ps2 for good like m$ did, they could've concentrate on making quality and quantity for ps3
greed is their main problem, ps3 is overpriced just like all their other products |
why drop an old system as long as it sells well, thanks to singstar/guitar hero and some swansongs like persona 3/4 and yakuza 2. the old xbox was dead in the water when the x360 arrived, but the ps2 still had a lot of life in it at the ps3 launch. besides, all ps2 games after the ps3 launch were third party anyway and AAA title developers like insomniac and naughty dog were already making games for the ps3.
btw:
http://www.megagames.com/news/html/console/reevesweneedtocutps3pricebutwewont.shtml
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Feb 2009 04:12 Post subject: |
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sure ps2 games are great they bring such a nice ps2 ports to pc, i still have old xbox 1 and lemme tell ya after 360 or pc i want to puke playing xbox games that is with hd cable
if technology is obsolete drop it and move on, not milk it and get bust on a new tech
same goes for ppl who still use crt tv's/monitors, i can get severe headaches just by looking at those screens not to mention how fkd up your eyesight gets with years, some might find it enjoyable however, well nobody forbidded masachism so they are loaded
| Quote: | | Reeves wrapped up the interview by taking a jab at Microsoft. "There are people who come in having done their research, thinking, 'PS3 has got all the games, it's free to go online, it's got a Blu-ray player. I know I'm not going to have to ring up the customer care line saying I've got three red lights." |
pure salesman bs
all the games - yeah right
it's free to go on-line - pfftt duh so is 360, but if u need quality service and demo's don't need to be installed after u dLded them which is fkn retarded, yeah u pay 3 euro a month, which i'd rather had if i cared about on-line multiplayer
it's got a Blu-ray player - ehmm nobody really gives a toss since bd-players cost under 150 euro with lcd display which is very hard to implement into any console coz it's too hardcore 
I know I'm not going to have to ring up the customer care line saying I've got three red lights - no they don't call customer service and saying my ps3 is dead and now i have to pay 150 euro so u can repair it coz my freakin warranty expired a month ago
at least m$ admitted their fuk up and gave ppl 3 year extended warranty
maybe they did their research but he didn't 
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Feb 2009 04:42 Post subject: |
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What he should have said is "free multiplayer, open to mods as opposed to anally tight control from the man." Just one look at UT3 is enough to show the difference between the two approaches and which is better. Not only that, but now that G4WL is spreading to PC gameplay, it is also looking to anally thighten that platform as well by not supporting any modability whatsoever (case in point: Gears of War's "editor" and now DoW2). The PS3 may be a failure of a system as a whole, but that doesn't mean the competition is better in all departments.
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Feb 2009 04:45 Post subject: |
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i'm not saying it's better hell most of the fkd up pc ports are 360 fault but $ony is full of shit and that's just biting them in the ass
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