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 Posted: Wed, 1st Apr 2009 14:56 Post subject: To all the Swedes on here |
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Som ni alla säkert vet är det första april idag, dagen då I-PRED börjar gälla. Tror ni att det är något som man verkligen bör tänka på? Det borde väl inte finnas en så stor risk, om man bara laddar ned en film i veckan eller så?
English: As you all know, today is the first of april, the day I-PRED (a new law to stop illegal file sharing, basically) goes in effect. Do you think it's something to worry about? The risk shouldn't be that big, if you just download a movie a week or so, right?
If I'm not allowed to post in swedish, just tell me and I'll remove it/translate it.
Last edited by dezztroy on Wed, 1st Apr 2009 15:39; edited 2 times in total
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Apr 2009 15:09 Post subject: |
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Yeah, that's probably best to do. Just a bit scared from reading how much they can sue you for.
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Apr 2009 15:28 Post subject: |
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Right, translation please?
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TheSaint
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Apr 2009 15:30 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Apr 2009 15:31 Post subject: |
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Isn't there a rule that all posts should be in English?.. and if not i think there should be.
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helvete
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Apr 2009 15:37 Post subject: |
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He's worried about the new IPRED law, which grants the private anti piracy lobby greater authority to investigate copyright infringement over the net than the police have. I'm sure many other countries already have this horrible legislation in place.
I for one signed up with astraweb a few hours after the law went into effect.
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Apr 2009 15:37 Post subject: |
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Edited first post with english translation.
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Apr 2009 15:43 Post subject: |
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Are they going to be able to enforce the new law? surely the courts would be fully booked for the next 10 years..
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Apr 2009 15:46 Post subject: |
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| Newty182 wrote: | | Are they going to be able to enforce the new law? surely the courts would be fully booked for the next 10 years.. |
We'll see, hopefully not. The law is insane, being able to be sued for millions of kronor (currency in Sweden), just for downloading a song.
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Apr 2009 16:06 Post subject: |
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The really crazy thing is that this is settled in civil court, which is supposed to be between two equal parties. The anti piracy lobby vs you is of course anything but equal. In fact the first you'll hear about any suit against you is when they, and the police, come through your door and confiscate all your computers. It's bullshit on a massive scale.
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Apr 2009 16:21 Post subject: |
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Or, when you get a blackmail letter from the antipiracyagency asking you for a few 100 thousand kronor, or they'll take it to court.
It's also pretty crazy how they are allowed to freeze your bank accounts, so there's is pretty much no way you can actually pay.
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Apr 2009 16:30 Post subject: |
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Where did you ever hear that it's legal to smoke dope here?
And it has been illegal to download stuff here in Sweden since years ago. This law basically gives the rights owner the right to get the user details from an IP-adress.
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Frant
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Apr 2009 16:59 Post subject: |
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From thelocal.se, Swedish news in English:
| Quote: | Publishers begin hunt for Swedish file sharers
With the new anti-copyright IPRED law fresh on Sweden's law books, five book publishers have applied to the courts to trace a suspected illegal file sharer.
Five audio book publishers - Earbooks, Storyside, Piratförlaget, Bonniers and Norstedts - on Wednesday submitted an application to Solna district court to find out the identity of the person behind a particular IP address.
The publishers, in accordance with the new IPRED law which passed into force on April 1st, have submitted evidence to support their assertion that the IP address has been used for the illegal dispersal of audio books over the internet.
The publishers are acting with the support of the 15 authors affected: Leif G W Persson, Jan Guillou, Håkan Nesser, Henning Mankell, Catharina Ingelman-Sundberg, Karin Wahlberg, Åsa Larsson, P O Enquist, Torbjörn Flygt, Ernst Brunner, Mia Törnblom, Andreas Roman, Katerina Janouch, Jens Lapidus and the estate of deceased crime novelist Stieg Larsson.
The five publishers write in a joint statement that they will consider how to proceed once they have received customer details from the suspected file sharer's internet supplier.
"The illegal sharing of audio books through file sharing has grown very quickly over the past year," according to Kjell Bohlund, the chairperson of the Swedish Publishers' Association.
"It has hit writers, publishers and internet book retailers financially and there is a longer term risk that publication will decline."
Bohlund writes in the statement that the case in question concerns a very large amount of material with evidence that up to 2,000 audio books are stored on the server in question. |
The rest here: http://www.thelocal.se/18604/20090401/
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Apr 2009 17:01 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Apr 2009 17:32 Post subject: |
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Frant: Do you mean news.astrawebDOTCOM ?
I also think fisk should be unbanned.
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Apr 2009 17:36 Post subject: |
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| dominae wrote: | | Frant: Do you mean news.astrawebDOTCOM ? |
Indeed I do. $10 cheaper for unlimited, with 20 bots. It maxes out my 100mbit (a constant 11MB/s), something even giganews struggled with. May be the routing. But the price in itself combined with being completely unlimited, that's a winner. They're growing their retention to 365 days for binaries as well. The only thing missing is a search engine. Have to use 3rd party search engines (unless you use SS in Newsleecher).
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Apr 2009 17:48 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Apr 2009 18:07 Post subject: |
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| Frant wrote: | | dominae wrote: | | Frant: Do you mean news.astrawebDOTCOM ? |
Indeed I do. $10 cheaper for unlimited, with 20 bots. It maxes out my 100mbit (a constant 11MB/s), something even giganews struggled with. May be the routing. But the price in itself combined with being completely unlimited, that's a winner. They're growing their retention to 365 days for binaries as well. The only thing missing is a search engine. Have to use 3rd party search engines (unless you use SS in Newsleecher). |
Hmm... says 1mbit limit unless you do the $15 sub?
Pretty cool deal, I'll look into it.
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| Posted: Thu, 2nd Apr 2009 01:21 Post subject: |
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I found a deal via Kleverig to get unlimited for $11/mo, I got that.
I also think fisk should be unbanned.
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| Posted: Thu, 2nd Apr 2009 15:02 Post subject: |
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In threads where astraweb gets mentioned I notice that everybody go for unlimited plans, ignoring awesome Pay-by-Download ones.
| Quote: | | The pay-by-download plans [...] You purchase bandwidth as and when needed and your purchased bandwidth never expires or runs out. |
So here is a little calculation.
Unlimited special deal is $11/month --> $132/year
$25 Pay-by-Download
- $25 / 12 = $2.08/month
- 120 GB --> 111.76 GB* --> 9.31GB / month
(* Astraweb defines Gigabyte as 1,000,000,000 bytes )
Now, if we buy x 5 times, we get
$2.08 * 5 = $10.4 / month = $124.8 / year;
111.76 GB * 5 = 558.8 GB --> 46.5 GB / month
For $10.4 / month you get 46.5 GB to spend each month, and as the bandwidth never expires or runs out you are not forced to burn all these GBs each month and instead could spread it over the following months.
So, unless you download more than 46 GB each month, $25 Pay-by-Download is cheaper.
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| Posted: Thu, 2nd Apr 2009 15:45 Post subject: |
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I burn through 46GB in a month, easy.
But thanks for the calculation 
I also think fisk should be unbanned.
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| Posted: Thu, 2nd Apr 2009 15:51 Post subject: |
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I rarely download less than 100gb/month.
Here's my monthly stats from giganews until the sub was cancelled:
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Download Summary
Days GB
30.41 - 162.95
49.00 - 95.32
32.00 - 89.23
32.00 - 73.19
27.96 - 97.37
37.00 - 133.79
81.00 - 251.04
32.00 - 283.34
36.00 - 248.58
31.00 - 135.45
33.04 - 193.60
49.01 - 227.79
41.99 - 198.02
167.96 - 136.57
65.00 - 90.87
31.04 - 236.58
34.00 - 236.73
34.02 - 193.31
30.99 - 275.01
908.88 - 3,369.62 GB = ~3.3TB
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And I barely used my bandwidth, downloads are so fast that I spend at most 15 minutes in newsleecher (including automatic par2-repair and extraction).
I did some calculation on the possible maximum amount that I could download (if I download constantly at max speed):
750MB/minute
45GB/hour
1.08TB/day
7.56TB/week
30.24TB/month
362.88TB/year
So I'm pretty much wasting ~98% of my available bandwidth. But I like getting what I want as fast and smooth as possible. I remember downloading divx3-movies on 28.8K modem for hours etc..
Usenet is #1, and compared to P2P it's 99.999999999999% safe (none of the big usenet-providers log IP's or uploads/downloads beyond pure traffic-statistics).
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Frant
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| Posted: Thu, 2nd Apr 2009 18:40 Post subject: |
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I burn to DVD+R's what I save, the rest I install/watch(copyh to USB stick and play with my standalone) and delete.
I do have 1TB HD space that I store a lot of the stuff on before it gets burned or deleted.
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| Posted: Thu, 2nd Apr 2009 22:30 Post subject: |
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My guess is that the ppl who will get caught in this are the ones who keep downloading stuff from the pirate bay and other public torrentsites. FTP-rings and to some extent invite-only torrentsites are probably just as safe as they ever were.
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