UFO - The Greatest story ever denied
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PostPosted: Thu, 3rd Jul 2008 18:28    Post subject: UFO - The Greatest story ever denied
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5980990221766439646&hl=en

This movie is amazing and I have to say I support 95% what is said in it.
Basically it is a "zeitgeist" like documentary about aliens.

Amazing and well worth watching, I promise (i know its 1.5H long!)

What do you think?


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PostPosted: Thu, 3rd Jul 2008 19:16    Post subject:
Great documentary, cheers for the link. I don't need to be convinced Wink, but thanks all the same.


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PostPosted: Thu, 3rd Jul 2008 19:47    Post subject:
Fuck yeah, the truth is out there! Anyone who thinks aliens haven't visited us is insane!


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PostPosted: Thu, 3rd Jul 2008 19:51    Post subject:
Insane, guilty as charged.


I also think fisk should be unbanned.
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PostPosted: Thu, 3rd Jul 2008 22:23    Post subject:
I think it's silly, always a conspiracy.

I will look for the article but rods were disproved.


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PostPosted: Thu, 3rd Jul 2008 22:25    Post subject:
Martian123 wrote:
I think it's silly, always a conspiracy.


probability tends to disagree with you.
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dominae
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PostPosted: Fri, 4th Jul 2008 00:10    Post subject:
lol, probability might as well prove the existence of Cthulhu, then.


I also think fisk should be unbanned.
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PostPosted: Fri, 4th Jul 2008 00:23    Post subject:
who knows...
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PostPosted: Fri, 4th Jul 2008 00:57    Post subject:
Its safe to believe the authorities aren't hiding anything about off world phenomena, its safe to call anyone who contradicts said authorities a lier or a kook. Safe like you are in a prison. Neutral

With any luck due to the internet & mobile tech, the potential for evidence reaching the general public uncensored is far greater. Trouble is, folks will think anything they see on the net is a fake, unless the authorities verify its validity. Rolling Eyes

When it comes to what we cannot control or explain we are like scared children, lying & cheating our way out of having to face the reality that we need to acknowledge the reality that we are not all knowing or all powerful.


"Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in & out of favor." ~ Frost
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PostPosted: Fri, 4th Jul 2008 03:32    Post subject:
@OP, if you're going to put quotes around "zeitgeist", you should also add them to the word "documentary" Wink


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PostPosted: Fri, 4th Jul 2008 03:51    Post subject:
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With any luck due to the internet & mobile tech, the potential for evidence reaching the general public uncensored is far greater. Trouble is, folks will think anything they see on the net is a fake, unless the authorities verify its validity. Rolling Eyes
i blame youtube search for ufo on there and you will find about 1million fake videos
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PostPosted: Fri, 4th Jul 2008 03:55    Post subject:
snoop1050 wrote:
i blame youtube search for ufo on there and you will find about 1million fake videos
Point is you think they are fake because you are programed to think anything that isn't verified by officials is fake.

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Those who have taken authority as the truth,
rather than truth as the authority" ~Gerald Massey


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PostPosted: Fri, 4th Jul 2008 03:56    Post subject:
the music is far too intrusive at some sections to the point where the dialogue is lost.
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PostPosted: Fri, 4th Jul 2008 03:57    Post subject:
Serben wrote:
Fuck yeah, the truth is out there! Anyone who thinks aliens haven't visited us is insane!


1 think is to believe they have visited earth another is if they exist at all!
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bxrdj




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PostPosted: Fri, 4th Jul 2008 07:31    Post subject:
Well, we will see what happens after the LHC test and where that takes humanity .... I believe in the next 5 years or so, some things should change bigtime for all of us and we live in a very exciting time for science and humanity.


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PostPosted: Fri, 4th Jul 2008 07:43    Post subject:
ChinUp wrote:
When it comes to what we cannot control or explain we are like scared children, lying & cheating our way out of having to face the reality that we need to acknowledge the reality that we are not all knowing or all powerful.

What are you talking about!? God made us in his image, perfect! Rolling Eyes This is all blasphemy! The bible never said anything about aliens! Rolling Eyes You all will rot in hell! Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Fri, 4th Jul 2008 08:18    Post subject:
interesting video. What they said about HHo was awesome, Im suprised in myself that I haven't heard of this up until now :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxyhydrogen


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PostPosted: Fri, 4th Jul 2008 08:49    Post subject:
ChinUp wrote:
[...]you think they are fake because you are programed to think anything <insert apologetic tool-mumbojumbo here>


Listen, Chinup. I never really liked you - we never really got along, but even you have to have SOME sort of line where you stop behaving like you're the most clueless individual on the face of the planet.

First of all, "programmed"; what the hell are you talking about man? This jargon suggests that you believe in someone being able to "program" people, which is sort of as far you can go on the road to tinfoilhatteryland. You might as well walk around naked painting your body pink with finger paint and tell people your spirit name is Kuvah, and that you await the second coming of Baziing in the year 5732 (paraphrasing L. Ron Hubbard here).

We people have the right to believe in what we want to, fair enough - I agree with this baseline of reasoning. I also can stretch myself to "no human really knows" if eg. we're alone in the universe. But to go from there to "well, it's undeniable" is a pretty long step, and I am inclined to disbelieve anything claimed by anyone saying something and expecting people to believe them solely from what they say.

Now maybe you buy every item some salesperson throw a lame salespitch at you, maybe you start to believe that there are really invisible little midgets hiding in your crotch because a man who "seemed reasonable" approached you in the street and told you as much.

Maybe you are this kind of person, I do not know. I'm certainly not.

Now we're left with two possible scenarios here:

1. There ARE aliens in outer space, and they have visited earth and humans have witnessed them.
2. At least some part of the above statement is false.


If we are to believe the reports on youtube, #1 is correct. And it may be. But then again, it may be not. It seems a debate of pointless dimension here, because if 1 is true, then it's naturally true whether people believe it or not. But if 2 is true, then there are at least SOME basis for criticism about this, and why people like you aren't just a little bit more critical lead me toward thinking you belong in the previously mentioned tinfoilhattery category.

What's the argument here? Well, they exist because some guy said so. Because it's probable. Because they do! Shut up! (pretty much the same arguments you get from religious people)


Alright, where am I going with this, you may ask? Well... for something to be credible in the eyes and ears of the world, it tends to need people to stand behind it that have credibility. There needs to be someone who is not Tom Cruise proclaiming that there is a space people that will come pick people up in the year 3718, at least if they have paid for themselves.

Bottom line is, for something to be widely accepted (you know, like the notion that the earth is somewhat spherical in shape) it has to be discovered and proven by a group of people who are familiar in that field. You know, people that eg. research space, or are the brightest minds in this field (Hawking maybe?). Not fucking BOB from youtube filming the reflection of his kitchen lamp with his new nokia-mobile phone and writing sensational blogs about it, getting people to follow him.

People like that usually get dismissed pretty quickly, there's a reason why it is not generally accepted that Bob's kitchen lamp is a UFO, and why it is generally accepted that the earth is somewhat spherical in shape.

Now, let's get back to the two points here. Why is it that, generally, people who claim something of this nature exists are so horrible at providing anything other than "you have to have faith", or similar weak reasoning for presenting their views? If a friend of yours told you that you had stolen something from them and gave you some bullshit story about how an angel showed a vision to them, I doubt you would get on your knees and apologise.

Why is it that people like you always contradict eachother, there's one guy believing in this, another believing in that, and each person think THEY are the one with the true faith. Everyone else is simply wrong, because Nooshka is real - if you have faith you will discover it in the moonlit lake in Montreal. Especially if you quack like a duck and bark like a chicken.

I'll tell you why there are so many contradictions, and why even when everyone contradict themselves; they still are convinced that "faith" (the common denominator in weak arguments) - because it is each individual's own made up fantasy, and it might hurt someone's feelings if someone forced them to smell the coffee. Essentially, people like you want to be able to claim anything without needing to back it up. Why? Because that's what insane people do.

"Just accept that I know more than you do, that there is an invisible saucer in the sky looking to abduct Abdul Jamal, who is the next prophet to foretell the pink mushroom invasion of Egypt" Have faith!

Alright, there is bound to be someone who is going to try and convince me that "their" bullshit story is the truth, and that "everyone elses" are bullshit. There is always someone who will say: "Well, George - there are a lot of people claiming they saw a flying saucer, doesn't it seem probable that some of them might actually be telling the truth?"

Now, this is really (again) a weak way of trying to make a point, "suppose", "speculate", "probable" are no grounds for proclaiming that something IS. Throughout the ages there have been a lot of people believing and sharing the same belief. Whether it is in small groups, or civilizations. For instance, norse religion is more or less dead these days. People in general consider the likes of Thor, Odin, and whatever "pipe dreams". Yet there were hundreds of thousands (if not millions) believing in them. I'm sure there are a lot of people among them who would testify on their mothers grave that they saw Thor in the sky on a rainy afternoon.

However, a scientist (a person these quacks usually loathe (for whatever reason)) could speculate that it's a static discharge happening between two charged clouds producing a lightning spark.

But it isn't as "fun" as some guy riding an eight legged horse weilding a hammer and sending thunderclaps with it.

You know why despite scientists there still are people, honestly, believing that when thunderstorms come that it's some dude on a horse up there? Because like you - they want to believe that story. It's more organic, it is more entertaining. It's a mystery of a sort, just like UFO:s and the boogeyman under your bed. Provides rich fat western people with something to do with the time they have between pedicures and buying new khakis or getting a botox-injection.

Perhaps one day I'll see a UFO with my own eyes, perhaps I'll meet Thor on the same day, until I do, I will remain in category 2, a skeptic.
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PostPosted: Fri, 4th Jul 2008 09:14    Post subject:
WOW I can't believe you wrote all that. Surprised

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PostPosted: Fri, 4th Jul 2008 09:29    Post subject:
I don't know if this video and these aliens are true, however I do believe that aliens exist and I do believe that they were/are here.

But I don't think they'll expose themselves to us anytime soon. It will cause a huge havoc. Heck I don't think anyone is ready for them, not even the greatest scientists. I think that we're just too human to face the truths of our universe.

For example many people turn to religion when they can't face the possibility that you literally end when you die. Imagine what will happen to people if it will be proven to them. It will shake all of our most basic principles - Hope, love, good will and what not. I think that even the most advanced, logical, and intelligent people won't be able to handle such truths.

I think that for now, it will be better to live that fact as a speculation. Eventhough that just like the movie says, 'deep back in our head we know it's true' we don't want us to be proven to us just yet. Maybe it will be proven to our grandchildren, maybe they will be moe mature for that.

Anyways, that's just my opinion. Aliens can really solve all of our problems, but I think that in our stage they will only cause a lot more problems. People just can't the truth that they are like bugs compared to the aliens and to the rest of the world. Our whole culture and principles are based on principles that were founded in the Renaissance era - "The man is in the center" - When this principle will be shattered all of our principles will be shattered as well.
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PostPosted: Fri, 4th Jul 2008 10:54    Post subject:
I was about to write about one of my experiences in the thread about paranormal stuff some time ago but forgot. So here goes.

Back in 1991 or 92 (Aug) I visited The Stockholm Water Festival, an event that had something like 1 million visitors throughout a week or so. It culminated with a International Competition in Fireworks. The launch platform for the fireworks was a barge on the Stockholm River. As far as i remember it started in the evening (dusk). Where i was standing there must have been at least 2000-7000 ppl watching this, on both sides of the river (along the river etc)

What I /we saw was a invisible disc...HUGE hovering over the river...now how could it be seen if it was invisible, well here is where the fireworks come in. Imagine the burst of the fire works being reflected back by a huge arc up in the sky. Its like some of the light went past the edge and some of the light was reflected back where it hit the craft. The result looked something like this.



And no, this was not a cloud formation, it was a knife sharp edge and it MOVED out of away from the light when ppl started to point at it etc.

A very sharp edge appeared on an altitude of maybe 500-700m. I would say the diameter must have been 200m-600m HUGE!, I know this as we only saw maybe 30% of the disc shape as only that part was lit up by the fireworks.

The weird thing is i remember ppl started to point up and asking around if others saw this to etc...but its like the importance of it faded as we left the show. I sort a remembered it like a (strong) flashback some years later. I also have a vague memory about it being mentioned as a curiosity in one of the bigger newspapers.


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PostPosted: Fri, 4th Jul 2008 11:02    Post subject:
Music festival = drugs + wanting to believe = UFO's
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PostPosted: Fri, 4th Jul 2008 11:03    Post subject:
well gotta admit I too had my share of weird lights hovering all over the sky but it's like they knew where they were going , I see them a LOT
they move slow enough to see but in reality it's a very fast speed
untill they suddenly disappear
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PostPosted: Fri, 4th Jul 2008 11:13    Post subject:
Jenni wrote:
Music festival = drugs + wanting to believe = UFO's
Razz
Hm, as far as i remember i had a couple of glasses of white wine, but seriously, I did not want to see this, actually did not even expected it or anything, it was just there and other ppl around us where reacting to it. What is weird is that it was like it did not matter anymore when we left...like it never happened.


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PostPosted: Fri, 4th Jul 2008 11:13    Post subject:
I don't disbelieve in life on other planets. I disbelieve the conspiracy theories behind the stories that people are telling.

Many of the supposed cover ups could just as easily be not extra terrestrial in nature. There could be a base on the moon like that video claims, but it may not be E.T. rather could be a US, Russian, Chinese, etc.

The other issue is that their are far too many Crazies out there making claims, it seems to attract the mentally unstable. I am not saying that everyone is like that, but most are. From the remaining people, many are in it for the 15 mins of fame, the rest probably see something they do not understand and assume it is aliens.

I could be wrong, but no one has provided enough of anything to prove what is happening is anything more than an episode of the x-files.


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PostPosted: Fri, 4th Jul 2008 11:20    Post subject:
Most of the "Abducties" are completely normal ppl and they don't want this to happen to them. They can in some cases not function as normal human beings due to these experiences. Most of them show symptoms of Post-traumatic Stress Disorder, similar to what many soldiers go through after seeing action, or ppl that have had bad accidents etc. They want to remain anonymous at most part, and don't wont anything to do with it, basically only that it should stop, and definitely no 15 min of fame.

Check out the disclosure project press conference here
LINK
Nut jobs and ppl seeking attention...I don't think so.

Also check "The Smoking Gun" this is NASA's own footage!!!
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PostPosted: Fri, 4th Jul 2008 11:23    Post subject:
We can have endless debate whether aliens exist or not, but in the end we cannot be sure without real scientific evidence.
It is the same with all other aspects of our life. Whe don't know what will happen when we die. Do we reincarnate, do we go to heaven, does everythin just ends?
Our race is very joung in an ancient universe.
I found the believe that we are alone in universe, or that we are only intelligent beings in universe, is a little selfcentered or biggot at the very least. But people are allowed to believe what they want, elephants, jebus, UFOs...


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PostPosted: Fri, 4th Jul 2008 12:44    Post subject:
ChinUp wrote:
Its safe to believe the authorities aren't hiding anything about off world phenomena, its safe to call anyone who contradicts said authorities a lier or a kook. Safe like you are in a prison. Neutral

With any luck due to the internet & mobile tech, the potential for evidence reaching the general public uncensored is far greater. Trouble is, folks will think anything they see on the net is a fake, unless the authorities verify its validity. Rolling Eyes

When it comes to what we cannot control or explain we are like scared children, lying & cheating our way out of having to face the reality that we need to acknowledge the reality that we are not all knowing or all powerful.


It's called Critical Thinking ©, buddy.
A very useful skill that actually allows you to have some degree of doubt in the actions of your government while not becoming a complete paranoid one hand and being able to see that not every word of of every fucking troll on the Internet must be complete and undeniable truth one the other(that would be you). Wink

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PostPosted: Fri, 4th Jul 2008 15:32    Post subject:
Never seen a ufo never will
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PostPosted: Fri, 4th Jul 2008 16:35    Post subject:
liansk wrote:
It's called Critical Thinking ©, buddy.

Ignoring everything you cant explain & control is called critical thinking huh, seems more like old fashioned ignorance to me. Smile


liansk wrote:
A very useful skill that actually allows you to have some degree of doubt in the actions of your government while not becoming a complete paranoid one hand and being able to see that not every word of of every fucking troll on the Internet must be complete and undeniable truth one the other(that would be you). Wink

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So you are under the impression one either denies everything or accepts everything as truth ? A curious viewpoint on critical thinking you have there. Seems to me critical thinking involves objectivity, that means placing officially sanctioned information on an even par with information that is not officially sanctioned. Any irrational nonsense like name calling & blind loyalty to authority figures hampers actual thought & honest observation of data. Neutral

We Are not in control of reality, we do not understand everything. Thus we must remain humble & respect all sources of data no matter how obscure or unlikely. The key is not making any final judgment calls until we are 100%. Until we are certain we have to keep looking for where we are mistaken & oblivious. Never be afraid to say you don't know. Lying & saying you do know, when you really don't is ignorant & destroys the learning process.


"Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in & out of favor." ~ Frost
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