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 Posted: Fri, 23rd Sep 2011 22:02 Post subject: 3D Gaming |
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I need an honest opinion on this one!
Who here plays games in 3d often, and I wanted to ask you, if the investment in having a 3d system (that is smooth at it at the same time) is worth it? Is the experience that much better, or is it just a gimmick?
With movies, my opinion is, that it's just a gimmick, a movie in 3d won't add any dimensions to a character nor the narrative, so I don't see the point, but in gaming, I see some desirability in it.
What's your opinion about it?
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| Posted: Fri, 23rd Sep 2011 22:03 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Fri, 23rd Sep 2011 22:06 Post subject: |
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Damn, completely forgot about it. But the reason I ask now, is because I'm *gulp* contemplating on buying a second 560, and playing in 3d. I could get it real fucking cheap atm, that's why I ask.
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| Posted: Fri, 23rd Sep 2011 22:16 Post subject: |
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I'd buy the Sony HMZ-T1 HMD when it comes out this christmas if it wasn't so expensive in Europe. Depending on your budget (since you'd have to buy a 3D monitor anyway), it might be something to consider - the early reviews and tester experiences so far have been full of praise.
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| Posted: Fri, 23rd Sep 2011 22:53 Post subject: |
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My opinion about 3D is that it's not worth it. It never managed to impress me, that it be in movies, or in videogames. But, to each his own.
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| Posted: Fri, 23rd Sep 2011 22:59 Post subject: |
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I have a acer 27 inch 3d monitor (came with nvidia glasses) and a gtx 570 and i think it's worth it.
3D gaming is really fun, games like Batman arkam asylum and Just cause 2 are games that i would never play, but it's great in 3d.
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| Posted: Fri, 23rd Sep 2011 23:31 Post subject: |
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IMO I'ts not worth investing into any 3D system unless its a glasses free one. Since everything you can buy right now involves active/shutter glasses right now, I would just wait.
I've used active glasses on PC games long ago, and while the effect and original impression was excellent, I have not bothered using them for many years.
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| Posted: Fri, 23rd Sep 2011 23:34 Post subject: |
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You don't need NVIDIA, can do it with AMD as well.
Thing is that you're limited to a very select set of 3D monitors and they're all fucking terrible. A 2233rz for example is (and I'm sorry to anyone who has one, but you can see it in reviews as well) just disgusting to look at even without 3D. The colours are so incredibly washed out, and it just gets worse in 3D due to the glasses.
Aside from that, I personally don't like shutter glasses. Now that both NVIDIA and AMD do 3D and both also support it on "normal" 3D devices, it shouldn't be that long until we get some decent 3D monitors. Personally, I'm waiting for LG to make it happen, as I've used one of their passive TV's and I much prefer passive 3D over shutter. Much easier on the eyes, more comfortable glasses (as the glasses are nearly weightless).
In some games it works well, but not all. My advice? Wait for good 3D hardware to come, because all the monitors out there right now are shit. They all sacrifice everything else (especially colour accuracy and contrast/black levels suffer) just to get that stereo 3D support (same goes for pure 120Hz monitors). Samsung are pushing it with their latest ones (but they're too expensive for my taste, 600+) and my money is on LG getting it right first.
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| Posted: Fri, 23rd Sep 2011 23:38 Post subject: |
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Thanks for the good responses! (especially Werelds - informed as always)
I think I indeed will skip it now, spend my money elsewhere.
Though, I do wonder, when the hardware will be there, will the games be that much more atmospheric, I just can't imagine, to be honest.
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| Posted: Fri, 23rd Sep 2011 23:42 Post subject: |
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The effect is there, and it can be very profound. I remember playing some RC helicopter simulator where you had to fly it around the house. I swear I had to move my head out of the rotors way. Then I played some RPG, probably Dungeon Siege 1, which made me feel like I played with little toy soldiers, very weird. Great effect, but in the end, the glasses are collecting dust in the closet.
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| Posted: Fri, 23rd Sep 2011 23:45 Post subject: |
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The games I play most these days are SC2 and TF2 - don't think a lot of atmosphere would be added with it.
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| Posted: Fri, 23rd Sep 2011 23:49 Post subject: |
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SC2 is shit in 3D - at least it was when I first tried it on release. TF2 looks quite good but it's a not a real experience enhancer. It's a luxury - nice for some flight/driving sims and does look good on a lot of other games and I really like it when I wanna use it but I can enjoy many games just as much without it.
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| Posted: Fri, 23rd Sep 2011 23:57 Post subject: |
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TF2 would, imagine a soldier's rocket flying past your face haha 
Honestly though, if done right it can in fact add a lot. Problem is that it does also require effort. In FPS games the HUD needs to be altered; it needs to be slanted a bit like in Crysis 2 (that's why they did that in fact).
Trust me, I've been waiting for a good 120 Hz and/or 3D monitor to pop up, but I've seen most in action and they're not just good at all. A lot of gamers don't care about colours, contrast and black levels, otherwise the 2233rz wouldn't be so popular. I just think that if you're spending that much money on hardware, you would at least want the actual image to be on par with the IQ your hardware renders right?
And this is nothing against these monitors, they were just made when the technology wasn't advanced enough yet. In the last two years we've seen a LOT of improvements in panels though. Just look at all the competition in the mobile market, or how good IPS has become. It might take another 4-6 months (CES, CEBIT), but I have no doubt that the next big thing will be 3D over HDMI 1.4a/DP1.2 on monitors with much better panels; don't think it'll be IPS just yet though. LG will be building on their passive technology as well. I don't think we'll get auto stereoscopic just yet either though. It's still too new of a technology for that 
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| Posted: Sat, 24th Sep 2011 00:11 Post subject: |
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| Werelds wrote: | TF2 would, imagine a soldier's rocket flying past your face haha
Honestly though, if done right it can in fact add a lot. Problem is that it does also require effort. In FPS games the HUD needs to be altered; it needs to be slanted a bit like in Crysis 2 (that's why they did that in fact).
Trust me, I've been waiting for a good 120 Hz and/or 3D monitor to pop up, but I've seen most in action and they're not just good at all. A lot of gamers don't care about colours, contrast and black levels, otherwise the 2233rz wouldn't be so popular. I just think that if you're spending that much money on hardware, you would at least want the actual image to be on par with the IQ your hardware renders right?
And this is nothing against these monitors, they were just made when the technology wasn't advanced enough yet. In the last two years we've seen a LOT of improvements in panels though. Just look at all the competition in the mobile market, or how good IPS has become. It might take another 4-6 months (CES, CEBIT), but I have no doubt that the next big thing will be 3D over HDMI 1.4a/DP1.2 on monitors with much better panels; don't think it'll be IPS just yet though. LG will be building on their passive technology as well. I don't think we'll get auto stereoscopic just yet either though. It's still too new of a technology for that |
Do you have any hobbies, that are not PC related?
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Unfortunately, yes
- Football (doing it, not watching it, I hate club football)
- Thinking of going back into martial arts (talked about that with our lovely Sycoshaman a while ago <3)
- Working on motorised vehicles (see http://www.nfohump.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=67844 - the Mini engine we've got running now, waiting on replacement parts for the bike; already fixed up its bodywork)
- I watch just about any F1 Race and Rally whenever I can find it on TV or a stream
It's just that I grew up around PC's, can't remember not having one in the house. My dad, little brother and me all three love taking things apart, seeing how they work. On top of that, we're actually good at it 
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| Posted: Sat, 24th Sep 2011 00:42 Post subject: |
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I currently game in 3D with my old gaming rig on a five year old Samsung 60" DLP, and must say, that I enjoy it a lot. I don't use the Nvidia hardware software either as I already have DLP-Link glasses and use the IZ3D driver. The IZ3D driver can be a bit of a hassle to set up, but once you set it for a game, it is golden. And since I already had a 3D-capable DLP tv, I was able to purchase the additional hardware and glasses for less than it would have cost for a full 3D rig for gaming in my office (monitor, Nvidia 3Dvision, etc.). And now I also get to watch movies in 3D using PS3 Media Server and my PS3 in my den without having to replace my tv too!
Seriously, the IZ3D software is pretty capable (I just want OpenGL support). If you had some other way to drive the 3D image, you might check it out.
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| Posted: Sat, 24th Sep 2011 03:55 Post subject: Re: 3D Gaming |
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| Radicalus wrote: | I need an honest opinion on this one!
Who here plays games in 3d often, and I wanted to ask you, if the investment in having a 3d system (that is smooth at it at the same time) is worth it? Is the experience that much better, or is it just a gimmick?
With movies, my opinion is, that it's just a gimmick, a movie in 3d won't add any dimensions to a character nor the narrative, so I don't see the point, but in gaming, I see some desirability in it.
What's your opinion about it? |
have bought a set of Nvidia 3D Vision last June and I can tell, will never regret it. More, will never go back to 2D for gaming again.
About movies, I must say it's not so good, I mean the best 3D effects won't never be like in theaters, but anyway you could all the same give a try.
About 3D photos (.jps format), you will be astonished, believe me. For example, have a look at: http://photos.3dvisionlive.com/NSA3D/image/4e3b9ee53785014216fa0000/
This lezard is just coming out of your screen.
Finally about PC gaming, 3D effects will let you feel like "projected" into your screen, your "flat LCD" becomes then like it has dimensions in depth, it's not a screen anymore, it's a "gaming box". Try so see how is the wasteland in Fallout 3, drive your car in Trackmania 2, see how Batman moves and even more, see your sims speaking face to face in The Sims 3 and you will understand why so many people like the 3D technology.
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| Posted: Sat, 24th Sep 2011 03:58 Post subject: |
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Sertorius:
How often do you have problems with 3D in games in general? Can they be sorted with tweaks etc. or have you come across games where you just turned off 3D for good?
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| Posted: Sat, 24th Sep 2011 04:02 Post subject: |
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I have laptop that is 3D enabled. Played resident evil & need for speed & world of warcraft
I guess it was pretty fun but glasses are such a drag. But laptop is not primarly workstation...then I use it maybe once a month
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| Posted: Sat, 24th Sep 2011 04:15 Post subject: |
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only few "big problems" with 3D in games in general, from time to time you have unplayable games like the last Warhammer or old Lego games. I think the stereoscopic mode is badly handled in such games. But anywway in most games, 3D Vision works fine, even in games with a bad rating like Deus Ex, Dead Island or even Age of Empire Online, you can see nice 3D effects.
If there are some problems like crosshair or your weapon in FPS, you can try to change or adjust values through in-game menu or your Nvidia software menu. For example, in Fallout New Vegas, I have canceled the crosshair of weapon, cause it will let your eyes tired. Or in Stalker Clear Sky (playing it righ now), I have lowered the convergence value, that was enough. But in most games, you have to do absolutely nothing except turning off shadows to avoid ghosting, like in Dead Island, just launch the game and there you are. But never forget to update Nvidia drivers.
And if a game is just unplayable like Warhammer, will never touch it.
Tell you what, cause of 3D Vision, I have begun to buy games again (lastly Deus Ex, Stalker CS and Dark Messiah last week-end).
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| Posted: Sat, 24th Sep 2011 04:17 Post subject: |
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| besthijacker wrote: | I have laptop that is 3D enabled. Played resident evil & need for speed & world of warcraft
I guess it was pretty fun but glasses are such a drag. But laptop is not primarly workstation...then I use it maybe once a month |
oh yeah, have tried RE5 in 3D, fucking good, tell you.
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I have had 3d capability for quite a while now. i like watching the movies, but playing games is not so great for me. The games tend to make my eyes tired way before I am done playing. i guess because most movies in 3d aren't going to be 3 or 4 hour (or more) marathons. It has been quite a while since I even switched a game into 3d mode. It is cool to show my friends that haven't seen it before but it adds nothing to the gameplay for me. After a while of playing the game, I barely notice it is in 3d any more anyway minus the eye strain and head ache.
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