Budget build - will these work together?
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nightlith




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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Aug 2009 20:44    Post subject: Budget build - will these work together?
Hey guys, i'm trying to do some upgrades, and as I'm presently between jobs money is ultra-limited. With that in mind, do these components work together?

This list is currently compiled from NCIX, so if I can find these cheaper elsewhere, do tell Smile Bear in mind I'm canadian, so US outlets are useless to me.

ASUS M3A78-EM AMD 780G mATX AM2+ PCI-E16 PCI-E1 2PCI SATA HDMI Video Sound GBLAN 1394 Motherboard
$93

AMD Athlon X2 7550 Dual Core Processor Socket AM2+ 2.5GHZ 3MB 65NM 95W OEM
$85

G.SKILL F2-8500CL5D-2GBPK PC2-8500 2GB 2X1GB DDR2-1066 CL5-5-5-15 240PIN Dual Channel Memory Kit
$40

ASUS Radeon HD 4670 512MB DDR3 PCI-E DVI HDMI VGA Video Card *IR-$5*
$80 ($70 after MIR)


Before you all wander off screaming "lol fail hardware get this instead" I need to update EVERYTHING. My system is so old that at this point I have to do a mobo upgrade. Which means now I need new ram, SATA drives, PCI-E components...the works. I can't afford to do that, so if I can get a good base to work from, maybe in a month I can do a video card upgrade, next month I can do ram. See where I'm going with this?

So in your opinion, for now will this be enough to get me by? Can I go cheaper? Maybe get a 4550? or even a 3650? I don't need mega graphics...just playing WoW right now, and some Fallout 3. What do you guys think?


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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Aug 2009 21:01    Post subject:
why wouldn't it
u can get 4650 instead, if 15-20$ will make any difference for u
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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Aug 2009 21:07    Post subject:
Mortibus wrote:
why wouldn't it
u can get 4650 instead, if 15-20$ will make any difference for u

Confused He is already is planning to buy 4670... Did you mean 4750?
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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Aug 2009 21:14    Post subject:
hopefully 'the land of bagged milk' isn't in BC or a province with HST ... that'll at least save you a few bucks Smile

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All orders shipped within BC will be charged 7% Provincial Sales Tax (+GST). Residents of New Brunswick, Nova Scotia and Newfoundland will be charged 13% HST. All other orders within Canada will be charged 5% GST.


the only other sites to order from would be

tigerdirect.ca
newegg.ca


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Mortibus




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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Aug 2009 21:21    Post subject:
iNatan wrote:
Mortibus wrote:
why wouldn't it
u can get 4650 instead, if 15-20$ will make any difference for u

Confused He is already is planning to buy 4670... Did you mean 4750?


4650 is 15 euro cheaper than 4670, at least where i live

he asked if he can get it cheaper, this is an option
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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Aug 2009 21:32    Post subject:
Thanks for the quick replies guys Smile

Quote:
why wouldn't it


I've been out of the loop for awhile. With DDR ram speed creeping upward of 2ghz (I think mine is 266 lol!) I wasn't sure in terms of compatibility. The ram itself was questionable for me, as I wasn't sure if I should use the DDR2 1066, or get DDR2-800 if it happened to be cheaper. I've never heard of G.SKILL either.

Also, yes if I can get the 4650 cheaper, I might even do that. Was even thinking of running just off the onboard for now (gasp) but I dunno if I'd be comfortable with that!

Thanks again!


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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Aug 2009 21:40    Post subject:
hi there , bang for the buck systems are a speciality of mine Smile

ill link you from the canadian newegg

AMD Athlon II X2 250 Regor 3.0GHz Socket AM3 65W
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103681
$89
4 dollars more expensive , but alot faster , alot cooler, uses alot less power, and serious overclocking headroom , you can undervolt this baby and OC it to 3.3ghz at the same time.

ASUS M3A76-CM AM2+/AM2 AMD 760G Micro ATX
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131376
$85
8 dollars cheaper, basicly the same mainboard but with less powerful onboard video but it doesnt matter since you get a dedicated card

G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500)
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231172
$39

BIOSTAR VA4673NH51 Radeon HD 4670 512MB 128-bit GDDR3
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814141081
$70
20 dollar cheaper, i wouldnt ever buy any slower or cheaper card new if you intent to run any sort of 3d game , 4670 is a great card low power low heat, but everything cheaper is slower by quite a big margin, cant go wrong with $70

Western Digital Caviar Blue WD3200AAKS 320GB 7200 RPM SATA
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136074
$60

Sony Optiarc 24X DVD/CD Rewritable Drive Black SATA
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827118030
$28

COOLER MASTER eXtreme Power Plus RS-460-PMSR-A3 460W
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171028
$38


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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Aug 2009 21:47    Post subject:
nightlith wrote:
Thanks for the quick replies guys Smile

Quote:
why wouldn't it


I've been out of the loop for awhile. With DDR ram speed creeping upward of 2ghz (I think mine is 266 lol!) I wasn't sure in terms of compatibility. The ram itself was questionable for me, as I wasn't sure if I should use the DDR2 1066, or get DDR2-800 if it happened to be cheaper. I've never heard of G.SKILL either.

Also, yes if I can get the 4650 cheaper, I might even do that. Was even thinking of running just off the onboard for now (gasp) but I dunno if I'd be comfortable with that!

Thanks again!


well your mobo supports up to 8gb DDR2 1066, so yeah 800 will work and G.SKILL is pretty solid ram maker
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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Aug 2009 21:48    Post subject:
Stefan F wrote:
ill link you from the canadian newegg


^^ keep in mind if you live in Ontario newegg will charge 13% tax while NCIX will only charge 7% ... that above from stefan is $409 CAD + ~$53 dollars in tax vs. ~$28 dollars in tax. Plus I think NCIX is cheaper for shipping since it comes from Canada instead of newegg warehouses in teh USA (the only thing 'canadian' about newegg.ca is the domain name). Oh, and don't forget about duty if it was not manufactured in north america and even brokerage charges at the border Wink


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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Aug 2009 23:03    Post subject:
Yah, I wanted to avoid newegg for those reasons. I went to a local store with my list (minus the GPU) and they pretty much matched the prices and had the exact hardware in stock! Here's what I ended up getting:

Asus M3A78-EM (same price as online)
Athlon 2 X2 240 2.8GHz ($5 more than the cpu I had listed)
4GB OCZ Gold Series DC kit ($10 more than the 2GB ram I had listed)

So what I saved in shipping, I spent on the second tax, and overall, I spent $20 more, but got what I hope are decent 'upgrades' on my otherwise budget components.

Now comes the shittiest part of doing a platform upgrade Sad I really don't want to gut my tower.


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PostPosted: Wed, 19th Aug 2009 01:43    Post subject:
Ahhh crap guys, help! Maybe this should be in a new post now, but something isn't right...

I have an Antec Sonata case, using the power supply it came with. I plugged in the 24 pin into the mobo, and the 4 pin also. The power supply also has a 3 pin connector that says can be plugged into one of the fan plugs on the mobo to monitor supply health. The mobo had a spot labled 'pwr_fan' so I plugged it in there.

But maybe I shouldn't have?? I don't know what's going on, but the rear fan of my supply isn't spinning anymore, and the 100mm case fan that came with the case is barely spinning. Did I fuck something up?? Or is this all part of the "Q-fan" thingy I saw in the BIOS...help before my system melts Sad (I have no idea if it will, I have no idea how hot it's getting)


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PostPosted: Wed, 19th Aug 2009 02:00    Post subject:
you have prob fucked up your mobo or your psu

the pwr_fan connector is an output to your fans , and should only have casefans on it , it is NOT intended to have anything from your PSU connected to.
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PostPosted: Wed, 19th Aug 2009 02:05    Post subject:
"The power supply also has a 3 pin connector that says can be plugged into one of the fan plugs on the mobo to monitor supply health. The mobo had a spot labled 'pwr_fan' so I plugged it in there. "

you have a link to a manual where it actually says to do that?


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PostPosted: Wed, 19th Aug 2009 02:13    Post subject:
Can't have fucked up the mobo....it wouldn't work if I did. I'm glad that Antec still has the manual for the powersupply, and it seems I'm over-reacting. Here's the blurb that I was talking about:

Quote:
SmartPower 2.0 features an innovate design to help decrease noise during normal use, but
which still allows for superior cooling capabilities as loads increase. To this end SmartPower 2.0
features both an internal intake fan as well as a unique external exhaust fan. The internal intake
fan operates when the power supply is turned on. It rotates slowly to blow out the hot air from
the power supply and case, and is thermally controlled, speeding up as heat increases. The
external exhaust fan remains off to make sure your computer maintains a quiet computing
environment until the power supply senses the required temperature to turn on the external
exhaust fan.


So it seems the rear fan only turns on when it gets too hot. Cool...it never used to do that I don't think...

Quote:
We've also included a 3-pin fan signal connector. Connect it to one of the fan connectors on
your motherboard. You can monitor the speed of the internal intake fan through your
motherboard BIOS or through the monitoring software included with your motherboard.


Says right there that I can connect it. Why would antec lie?

Anyway, I think I'm done panicking. Everything seems to work. Now I just need to get used to windows 7 :s I'm not liking it so far....


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PostPosted: Wed, 19th Aug 2009 02:15    Post subject:
lol, yeah I just found that same blurb .. seems like this isn't a problem but a feature Smile


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PostPosted: Wed, 19th Aug 2009 02:18    Post subject:
Well the system is a hell of a lot quieter. Freaked me the hell out when I turned it on but couldn't even hear the cpu fan. >_< I miss my old KT400 system. Everything was so much simpler in those days...

So what do I need to do now? Install chipset drivers? Or did those go the way of the dodo too?


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PostPosted: Wed, 19th Aug 2009 03:03    Post subject:
nightlith wrote:
Well the system is a hell of a lot quieter. Freaked me the hell out when I turned it on but couldn't even hear the cpu fan. >_< I miss my old KT400 system. Everything was so much simpler in those days...

So what do I need to do now? Install chipset drivers? Or did those go the way of the dodo too?


yes you need to install any up to date drivers you'll need, chipset being the most important.


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PostPosted: Wed, 19th Aug 2009 09:43    Post subject:
not if u use w7, it has all recent chipset drivers and video drivers naturally
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PostPosted: Wed, 19th Aug 2009 11:30    Post subject:
Mortibus wrote:
not if u use w7, it has all recent chipset drivers and video drivers naturally


Yeah its a godsend for simple install is win7 Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed, 19th Aug 2009 15:11    Post subject:
Mortibus wrote:
not if u use w7, it has all recent chipset drivers and video drivers naturally


id never rely on windows generic drivers for hardware.


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PostPosted: Wed, 19th Aug 2009 15:14    Post subject:
SpykeZ wrote:
Mortibus wrote:
not if u use w7, it has all recent chipset drivers and video drivers naturally


id never rely on windows generic drivers for hardware.


i would if your board manufacturer has not updated your for the last 6 years lol..
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PostPosted: Wed, 19th Aug 2009 16:23    Post subject:
I wouldn't have gone with asus anyways :\ They've become very hit or miss with quality on their boards lately, last computer I built last year I had to RMA the board 2 times before I got one that worked. Another asus board I had came with a bad memory slot but didn't RMA it cause i never planned on putting mroe than 1 stick in it.

First time I used gigabyte it started up right away no issues and still no issues.


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PostPosted: Wed, 19th Aug 2009 16:58    Post subject:
Well, I couldn't find Windows 7 drivers, so I just downloaded the most recent Vista drivers, and installed them in compatibility mode. Gotta say I'm really impressed so far.

Thanks again all Smile I'm not completely embarassed by my pc anymore lol!


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PostPosted: Wed, 19th Aug 2009 17:28    Post subject:
nothing embarassing in not been able to afford stuff others can

yeah asus did gone bad lately, gygabyte all the way, sometimes hard to find here coz they shove asus and other crap boards like foxxcon etc for the same price
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