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 Posted: Wed, 2nd Sep 2009 11:24 Post subject: Intel i7 and motherboard (Another upgrade thread!) |
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Okay, so I'm thinking of getting the i7 920 2.66GhZ processor, as it's the only one I'll be able to afford. Though I'm a bit worried, as it'll cost me roughly €200, while all the other i7 processors costs about €500. Is the 2.66GhZ pretty shite or is it that the faster ones are absolute monsters?
Also, considering the ASUS P6T Deluxe V2 for my motherboard, though if I'm being honest, I don't really know what to look for in a motherboard, so if anyone got any recommendations for a better one in a similar price range, or one that's equally good for less that would be superb.
Thanks guys.
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Sep 2009 11:43 Post subject: |
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All of the i7 processors are multi-threading monsters, the i7 920 D0 is no exception. Even at default clock speed it rocks (A Core 2 Quad Q9650 @ 3GHz is slower than an i7 920 @ stock 2.66GHz when rendering / encoding but around same in gaming) but with a decent 3rd party cooler such as a Noctua NH-U12P SE1366 you can easily overclock the processor. i7 offers an excellent overclock. As and when more and more applications / games become multi-threaded the i7 will yield even better performance results.
The Gigabyte GA-EX58-UD5 is an excellent motherboard imho. http://tinyurl.com/krokbl Gigabyte boards have proven to be solid motherboards and packed with features without costing an arm and a leg.
My new system comprises of:
1 x Intel Core i7 920 D0 Stepping (SLBEJ) 2.66Ghz (Nehalem) (Socket LGA1366)
1 x Gigabyte GA-EX58-UD5 Intel X58 (Socket 1366) PCI-Express DDR3 Motherboard
2 x Patriot Viper 6GB (3x2GB) DDR3 PC3-12800 (1600MHz) Low Latency Tri-Channel (PVT36G1600LLK)
1 x Noctua NH-U12P SE1366 CPU Cooler (Socket LGA1366)
1 x BFG GeForce GTX 275 OC 896MB GDDR3 PCI-Express Graphics Card
The total cost for parts was £858.71. It's an expensive upgrade but as we all know, the PC is a blackhole for cash.
Previously I had a Q6600 @ 3GHz, 8GB RAM, 4870 GPU and my upgrade to the i7 architecture was worthwhile.
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Epsilon
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Sep 2009 15:06 Post subject: |
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Whats your overclock on that 920?
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Sep 2009 15:12 Post subject: |
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Thanks ManMountain, very informative and basically got rid of my fears about buying a cheapish CPU.
If I'm not looking at overclocking the CPU, I should be okay with the boxed fan, right? And if I were looking at a slight overlcocking (I've never done it, so I probably won't), how much would I be looking at spending on a fan?
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Sep 2009 10:50 Post subject: |
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Got the stuff ordered now, and just thought of something; will my 550w (don't know the brand, but it's a decent one IIRC) PSU be enough? I know it's probably not optimal, but will I be able to run the set up (motherboard, i7 CPU, Geforce 8800GT, 3 SATA hdd)?
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Sep 2009 11:46 Post subject: |
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What memory did you get?
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson | chiv wrote: | | thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found. |
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Sep 2009 13:02 Post subject: |
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I was thinking about upgrading too but the i7 920 was to expensive for what I had in mind. Wouldn't be the phemon II X4 945 a better deal for ~135 euros. Or is it really half as fast as the i7 920??
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Sep 2009 13:52 Post subject: |
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From what I've read i7>>>>>>>>Phenom X4 945 (or any AMD for that matter), but in the end it really depends for what do you need it, and are you planning not to upgrade for a long time. Because in that case i7 would be definitely my choice if I had the money to spare...
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson | chiv wrote: | | thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found. |
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Sep 2009 14:03 Post subject: |
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ok so I read about the i5-750. DAMN that cpu is nice  I'll definitly ditch the whole AMD idea, as the i5 is easily overclockable to >3.6-4Ghz per Core and thus easly beats the i7-960!!
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Sep 2009 15:55 Post subject: |
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well the Phenom 2 is all you need, just like the core i7 it has massive OC potential, question is do you really need that kind of speed if your main use for PC is gaming ?
Stock core i7 versus a PII 955 in games results in a difference of 2fps when we are talking about 80fps, some games the AMD being better, some the intel CPU.
But the cost of the intel platform is so much more, PII 955 is 160 euros, the best non crossfire mobo is 70 euros ( gigabyte 770UD3) the best crossfire board is 130 ( gigabyte 790fx ).
Compare that to whatever you are paying to the intel setup, now unless you are rich, and have the most expensive component for everything in your PC, you should really save the cash and spent it on something that could really affect fps like a videocard.
of all my games i only have one really CPU intensive one and thats ARMA 2, which is said to need a quadcore to run, and i can believe that cause on my 3.7ghz E5200 the performance monitor shows the use of my cores scratching 90% all the time while playing.
Which is why i havent gotten a PII yet, as i simply dont need it, so i can not believe you need a corei7 to play any game at max settings.
Im not really saying to go buy an AMD, more so to spent money more wisely unless you are very rich, i am a regular at the techpowerup.com forum and i see corei7 users come and go, it usually goes like "hey i finally got enough cash saved up for a corei7 system, please give me attention and say how cool i am", then they get their system, show 478 pictures of it, especially the 300 dollar ubercool looking mainboard, spent a month benchmarking OCing and tweaking it.... then they realize having 3dmark run constantly isnt worth spending a thousand bucks, and being called cool gets old fast also .....
Month later they sell the whole thing and get an AMD or a Q9550.
Yes i know there are many many who arent that way and truly enjoy their system.
But everyone decides for themself what they do with their hardearned money, i wish you lotta fun with whatever you go for 
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Sep 2009 16:06 Post subject: |
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The Phenom II X4 945 costs 140 Euros + 60-70 mobo.
The Intel I5 - 750 costs 165 Euros + 60-70 mobo.
25 euro difference but the i5 beats the !!>965<!! on 90% of all tests in stock settings and as a bonus its highly overclockable.
Further intel cpus are ALOT faster when it comes to rendering, which I consider more important than gaming...
Just one benchmark... the others (except gaming) are the same:
They should use some massive strategy game to test the gaming capabilitys though.
http://www.techspot.com/review/195-mainstream-quadcore-cpu-performance/
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Sep 2009 16:17 Post subject: |
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thats nice, but i doubt many buy PCs to rar files all day or render something , my comments were directed at those who use PCs for gaming.
Again im not telling you or anyone what to buy, just my broad way of thinking when buying new systems.
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Sep 2009 16:21 Post subject: |
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The thing is that you just pay less for more power. It doesn't matter what you are going to do. Except doing office stuff
What I wanted to show with the benchmark isn't the raring, but the power that comes with simple overclocking of the i5-750, with normal air cooling!
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Slizza
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Sep 2009 23:05 Post subject: |
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I meant the Phenom II X4 965
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Slizza
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| Posted: Sun, 13th Sep 2009 01:11 Post subject: |
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Oh yeh..why did AMD go and name there chips 920 and 965...
Corsair 750D :: 750W DPS-G:: Asus x370 PRO :: R7 1800X ::16gb DDR4 :: GTX 1070::525gb SSD::Coolermaster 240MM AIO::
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| Posted: Sun, 13th Sep 2009 02:55 Post subject: |
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because they are as fas.. as... a.. hmmmmm..
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| Posted: Sun, 13th Sep 2009 14:32 Post subject: |
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| dingo_d wrote: | | What memory did you get? |
I haven't bought memory yet, going to get it when I get the other stuff. Any recommendations?
No one's got any info on the PSU then?
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| Posted: Sun, 13th Sep 2009 15:43 Post subject: |
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This could help you:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/6gb-ddr3-x58,2372.html
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson | chiv wrote: | | thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found. |
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| Posted: Sun, 13th Sep 2009 23:25 Post subject: |
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| towelie_swe wrote: | | dingo_d wrote: | | What memory did you get? |
I haven't bought memory yet, going to get it when I get the other stuff. Any recommendations?
No one's got any info on the PSU then? |
IF your going PSU ALWAYS stick with pc power & cooling. They are literally the only company that will heat their PSU's up THEN rate the wattage.
Thermaltake and the rest of them, you get a fake wattage, they rate them when their turned off and some "guess" what you'll get when it reaches like 20c which unrealistic.
5 - 7 year warranty.
I've had my 510 watt PSU for about 6 years now, it's been used through about 3 computer builds and right now it's powering an x2440, 8800GT Superclock, 4gb of memory, 3 sata HD's and a sata BluRay/HD DVD disk drive and some random fans (not like those use much.
The things are bloody heavy too from using bigger components and slapping heatsinks on the main parts to help keep em cooled down vs some of the thermaltakes I've used where they weighed about as much as a can of soda.
http://www.pcpower.com/technology/myths/
http://www.pcpower.com/reviews/
http://www.pcpower.com/technology/optemps/
read, enjoy, and welcome to your new PCPower purchase
you get what you pay for.
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