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 Posted: Tue, 27th Oct 2009 18:37 Post subject: Purchasing a new PC after 9 years |
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Ive had my desktop PC for 9 years. Its been running Windows XP. My system specs are the following:
Compaq Presario 6027US
2.0 Ghz Pentium 4
512MB SDRAM (2x 256)
80GB Harddrive (maxtor)
450W power supply
Geforce4 Ti4200
Windows XP Home
My computer has been running slightly slower than than it did about 3 years ago. Its not spyware or viruses I checked. I know how to well maintain a PC (software and physically). Sometimes it just loads intensely and sometimes the CPU fan becomes ridiculously loud, it sounds like an air conditioner in there. For example, if I goto gametrailers or a website that uses silverlight, the CPU fan becomes loud and my computer slows down.
Anyways so I installed Windows 7 on this system last night and it runs sort of okay but the problem is, there are no Windows 7 drivers for the Geforce4 Ti4200. The other versions won't install and my motherboard doesn't have a PCI-Express slot so I can't buy a good video card for cheap.
So I figured maybe its finally time to get a new PC...
I haven't been keeping up with PC specs the past few years. But I found a good deal on this computer (i think):
CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E7500 2.93Ghz CPU w/Fan
MB: Asrock G31M-S Intel G31 Chipset, PCI-Ex, 2 PCI
RAM: 4GB DDR2 PC6400 800mhz Memory
Vid Card: some intel onboard POS
HDD: 500GB 7200RPM Ultra Fast SATA 300 Hard Drive
Power Supply: ISO-400 ATX Power Supply
It comes with a 3 year warranty and is within my budget, $400 (I dont have a lot of money I work in a coffee shop). Should I buy?
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| Posted: Tue, 27th Oct 2009 19:07 Post subject: |
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Well I want to play some games. If I were to purchase a good video card maybe next month, would this be enough for gaming?
EDIT: screw it Il do a little more diggin around before I settle. What specs should I aim for in a gaming PC? (besides the video card, I plan to purchase video card later)
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Tue, 27th Oct 2009 19:35 Post subject: |
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This PC (with a better card) is very much enough. 
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| Posted: Tue, 27th Oct 2009 19:49 Post subject: |
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What specs would I need to be able to run FarCry 2 with full details? (minus the vid card) Id like to be able play my games on 1280x1024. Should I invest in a AMD CPU like he mentioned above? I don't plan on upgrading anything on my PC for the next 5 years besides video card.
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| Posted: Tue, 27th Oct 2009 19:56 Post subject: |
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Well I want to make sure I don't bottleneck whatever video card I do buy. I haven't been part of the PC gaming scene in years and Id like to get back in it
Hmm I just found one PC for just 65$ more than the one I listed that has the same stuff except this one has
CPU: AMD Phenom X4 9950 QUAD CORE Processor AM2+
MB: ASROCK N68-S Motherboard
PSU: 550 watt
And this one also includes a video card: nvidia GeForce 9400GT 1GB PCI-Express Video Card
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Tue, 27th Oct 2009 20:01 Post subject: |
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Well, this one is better, but the video card is really abysmal. It will be the bottleneck of the system.
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| Posted: Tue, 27th Oct 2009 20:05 Post subject: |
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Ideally, you want *at least* (given the prices now, there's really no reason not to) a 9800GTX or 4830/4850. For just a little bit more, you could choose from a GTX-260 or a 4870-1G.
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| Posted: Tue, 27th Oct 2009 20:08 Post subject: |
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Well I think I might just get this one then since its only $65 more with shipping included. Il definitely replace the video card later this year/early next year after I make some money. Will this system last me for the next 4-5 years of gaming tho? that is my main concern
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| Posted: Tue, 27th Oct 2009 20:09 Post subject: |
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The Quad is ok, but if you're going for a "number of years" build, then save for the GTX-260/275 or 4870/4890 - as they're far more powerful and will keep you gaming for a while yet.
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| Posted: Tue, 27th Oct 2009 20:11 Post subject: |
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Radeon 4850 (512MB)
Athlon 2 X2 240 (2x2,8GHz)
530W PSU (87% efficiency,+3,3V 24 ,+5V 24 A,+12V1 22 A,+12V2 22 A,+12Vtotal35 A)
Midi Tower with 4x5,25" and 4x3,5"
LG DVD-Writer (22x)
Artic cooling fan
MSI AM3 board with onboard sound gigabit lan and stuff
500GB WD 7200rpm HD
4GB RAM G-Skill DDR3-1600
384,54 euros. Should be alot cheaper over there.
for a better phenom with x4 cores you'll have to pay ~50euro more.
... fuck me the ram is way to expensive.
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| Posted: Tue, 27th Oct 2009 20:23 Post subject: |
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How well does the "Athlon 2 X2 240" compare with the "Phenom X4 9950" in gaming?
This is exciting! I will finally have the option to choose between platforms (PC and xbox) when games are released. At first I just wanted a PC that can properly run Windows 7 but now I must have the power to game 
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| Posted: Tue, 27th Oct 2009 20:50 Post subject: |
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Im not ordering today. The very first system I posted in this thread, I ordered that one like an idiot a few hours ago but I immediately cancelled the order after I found the second system (with the phenom).
But Ive been looking at more benchmarks and forum testimonies and a lot people seem to like the Intel Core 2 Quad CPUs over the AMD Phenoms X4s
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| Posted: Tue, 27th Oct 2009 21:01 Post subject: |
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it will be alot more expensive if you go the intel way. But if you do it, be sure to take an i cpu.. for example i5 750 
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Oct 2009 00:01 Post subject: |
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intel e6300 boxed ~ 80 $
intel p43 mainboard (f.e. GIGABYTE GA-EP43) ~80 $
some cheap DDR2 800 Ram 2x2GB no idea what it costs in the US - maybe ~70 $
HD/DVD Burner/Case ~100-150 $ - no idea what you need
cheap 4850 ~100-120 $
a psu ~50 $
ok - that`s 480 - 550 $ maybe a bit less - depends on what you can get.
It´s the fastest system posted so far, you can at least upgrade to 4 cores later if needed, it overclocks very well.
If you want it cheaper, go for amd (even though it might end up the same - I have no Idea about DDR3 prices in the US).
If you want to keep your system for a long time, it does not matter how "upgradable" your system is. In 4-5 years even the newest system today is a dead end.
Just look what gives you the best performance/price ratio now.
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Oct 2009 00:10 Post subject: |
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Nah screw it I just saw online those intel CPUs are way too expensive. After looking all day Ive come down to 2 final choices.
$469:
CPU: AMD Phenom X4 9950
MB: ASROCK N68-S Motherboard
RAM: 4GB DDR-2 800MHZ PC-6400
HDD: 500GB
Video: GeForce 9400GT
PSU: 550 Watt
$530:
CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965
MB: ASRock A780GMH/128M HDMI Motherboard 5200FSB
RAM: 4GB DDR-2 1066MHZ PC-8500
HDD: 500GB
Video: Radeon HD 3200 (onboard)
PSU: 550 Watt
Would it be worth getting the more expensive one? It does have a newer CPU but does the extra power justify the price
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Oct 2009 00:23 Post subject: |
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If you just want to play games and surf I'd recommend a better gfx over a better GPU cause even the 2x2700MHz AMD is good enough for gaming, as long as you support the CPUs with fast GPUs Believe me... 2x2,7GHz are enough for surfing  And the 3200 and the 9400GT are bottlenecks, even if you were going for 2x1,6GHz CPU
Further you should keep in mind that most games make use of single and dual core CPUs but gain next to no speed from triple and quad core CPUs.
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Oct 2009 00:30 Post subject: |
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DEFINITELY get the Phenom II if you absolutely must go with AMD (ewww...)
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Oct 2009 00:34 Post subject: |
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| PumpAction wrote: |
Further you should keep in mind that most games make use of single and dual core CPUs but gain next to no speed from triple and quad core CPUs. |
But what about future games?
I know the GPU is the missing component from these systems which is why I will be saving up money to purchase a proper GPU in a few months. I just want to make sure ahead of time that I dont bottleneck the GPU I purchase because Ive had this bottlenecking experience before.
I remember I purchased a Radeon X850 XT Platinum Edition AGP back in 2005 for my current PC (the compaq) and my system was bottle necking the hell out of that card. It could barely run Battlefield 2. I ended up selling the card a month later and plugged in my old Geforce 4
& Lol yes I absolutely have to go with AMD. There is no way I can afford Intel
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Oct 2009 00:57 Post subject: |
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and these mainboards are a POS. Don`t buy this CHEAP SHIT - you wont be happy with it.
If you go for amd - invest 30 $ more in a good mainboard - at least
and what about "can`t afford intel"?!
My suggestion isn`t more expensive - but it gives you a much better gaming experience.
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Oct 2009 01:10 Post subject: |
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| AwE wrote: | intel e6300 boxed ~ 80 $
intel p43 mainboard (f.e. GIGABYTE GA-EP43) ~80 $
some cheap DDR2 800 Ram 2x2GB no idea what it costs in the US - maybe ~70 $
HD/DVD Burner/Case ~100-150 $ - no idea what you need
cheap 4850 ~100-120 $
a psu ~50 $
ok - that`s 480 - 550 $ maybe a bit less - depends on what you can get.
It´s the fastest system posted so far, you can at least upgrade to 4 cores later if needed, it overclocks very well.
If you want it cheaper, go for amd (even though it might end up the same - I have no Idea about DDR3 prices in the US).
If you want to keep your system for a long time, it does not matter how "upgradable" your system is. In 4-5 years even the newest system today is a dead end.
Just look what gives you the best performance/price ratio now. |
But I will also need a case and an HDD
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Oct 2009 01:22 Post subject: |
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| timechange01 wrote: | | AwE wrote: | intel e6300 boxed ~ 80 $
intel p43 mainboard (f.e. GIGABYTE GA-EP43) ~80 $
some cheap DDR2 800 Ram 2x2GB no idea what it costs in the US - maybe ~70 $
HD/DVD Burner/Case ~100-150 $ - no idea what you need
cheap 4850 ~100-120 $
a psu ~50 $
ok - that`s 480 - 550 $ maybe a bit less - depends on what you can get.
It´s the fastest system posted so far, you can at least upgrade to 4 cores later if needed, it overclocks very well.
If you want it cheaper, go for amd (even though it might end up the same - I have no Idea about DDR3 prices in the US).
If you want to keep your system for a long time, it does not matter how "upgradable" your system is. In 4-5 years even the newest system today is a dead end.
Just look what gives you the best performance/price ratio now. |
But I will also need a case and an HDD |
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Oct 2009 01:43 Post subject: |
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Ahh I didn't see that. Thing is Id like my PC to come assembled. Ive never assembled a PC before. And now I can't make up my mind again. Im swinging back and forth with this whole intel/AMD thing. I found another system for $533 but this one has intel
CPU: Intel Q9550
MB: Asus P5KPL-AM SE Core 2 Quad/Intel G31/FSB 1600
RAM: 4GB
HDD: 500GB
PSU: 480 Watt
This decision isnt getting any easier
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Oct 2009 02:12 Post subject: |
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Decision is simple; Ditch the idea of AMD, go with Intel. The Phenom IIs are only marginally cheaper than the Q9xxx quads -- and are significantly weaker, in general usage AND gaming. In fact, the only thing they excel at is theoretical memory-intensive benchmarks.
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Oct 2009 11:58 Post subject: |
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Yeah, Ihave the ASUS p5kpl-cm, so ubercheap ! I spent the money on cpu.
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| Posted: Thu, 29th Oct 2009 06:09 Post subject: |
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How can I tell which motherboards are better than others? Between the 4 following boards, are any of them decent
1. Gigabyte GA-MA78GM-S2H, Onboard Video, HDMI, PCI-EX, LAN, iEEE
2. ASUS M3A78-CM , AMD 780V, Onboard Video, HDMI, GB LAN
3. ASUS M4A78 PLUS, AMD 770, PCI-EX, GB LAN
4. MSI K9A2 CF-F V2, AMD 790X, Cross Fire, 1GB LAN
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| Posted: Thu, 29th Oct 2009 08:15 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | | DEFINITELY get the Phenom II if you absolutely must go with AMD (ewww...) |
Agreed
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