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 Posted: Sun, 17th Jan 2010 02:30 Post subject: GPU Options |
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Thinkin' bout getting a new vid card now - kinda scurred to make the jump to ATI, and I'm not sure what is actually worth it - I'm lookin to spend no more than $300 round about...
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Jan 2010 05:23 Post subject: |
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This is why I'm thinking about waiting for nvidia to come out with something better but then again that is going to be way more than 300, so wtf guess I'll just find a good 5850 like with that one fan by saphire...
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Jan 2010 05:42 Post subject: |
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The special fan is only for 5870. 
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Jan 2010 11:47 Post subject: |
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There's no need for the special fan imo if you have the correct case etc. My card is at 30-34 degrees idle when in 2d mode browsing etc and it's at 60-65 degrees at full load when i run furmark with like 40% fan speed. The original cooler is fine, however i think there's coming a modded version of the 5850 from msi that's supposed to have a great cooler and huge overclocking possibility ( R5850 Cyclone) http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/17166/1/.
But yeah, i don't think that card will be going for 300 dollars... I got a 5850 and i'm happy, i haven't had a single problem yet.
Good luck.
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Jan 2010 11:59 Post subject: |
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| Ci2e wrote: | | This is why I'm thinking about waiting for nvidia to come out with something better but then again that is going to be way more than 300, so wtf guess I'll just find a good 5850 like with that one fan by saphire... |
The rumours aren't positive for NVIDIA at all.
So far, it seems the new cards will be very power hungry, whilst only just outperforming the 5870. Knowing NVIDIA, that'll mean they price the card at their usual ridiculous pricing, upwards of $400.
If you need a card now, ATI is your only sane choice. Whatever is left of NVIDIA cards are either rebranded low-end cards or cards that stores have left in stock. The GT200 series has been discontinued, so if you encounter problems with them, you'll be in deep shit. More importantly though, you'll be paying far too much for far too little performance 
Not to mention the fact that all the "problems" with ATI are highly exaggerated, and most commonly due to stupid owners 
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Jan 2010 16:29 Post subject: |
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5750 isn't worth it, 5770 is the very least you'd want. Still not really worth it over your 8800GT, I recommend you go for a 5850. Browsing for 2 seconds on Newegg, there's a few on there for 289, you can probably get it cheaper with rebates and stuff elsewhere
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Jan 2010 17:48 Post subject: |
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Speaking of fans - anyone able to suggest a good extra fan for my GTX 260?
shitloads of new stuff in my pc. Cant keep track of it all.
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Jan 2010 18:22 Post subject: |
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isnt the fermi release announcement tomorrow ?
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Jan 2010 22:15 Post subject: |
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The NDA on the architecture design gets lifted, yes, but that means jackshit. A good architecture doesn't automatically mean they win the performance crown back.
Take this for example. Basically they're saying the 58xx's are so good because they're twice the hardware on the old architecture, providing more raw power. Fermi is an architecture designed to deliver that power through smart handling; please notice how they keep the actual performance in the dark. Plus they act as if they've got a whole load of new features, even though it's ATI who pushed hardware tessellation into DX11 mostly. That post is clearly NVIDIA speaking 
Furthermore there's been a LOT of rumours that they need ANOTHER stepping to get the chips right; alongside the rumours that the "GF100" cards demonstrated so far have been breaching the 300W limit of the PCI-E standard. Both could result in even more delays, which in return allows ATI to step up on their development to keep the crown.
Either NVIDIA is putting up an amazing smokescreen and Fermi will literally blow everything else out of the way, or (and this is more likely), they underestimated what the 58xx's would be like, and as a result their architecture isn't as fast as they thought it would be. Which means Fermi will be a big disappointment, and they'll have to get their performance crown when they do the die shrink and improve on the whole thing :E
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Jan 2010 22:23 Post subject: |
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| pwerelds wrote: | The NDA on the architecture design gets lifted, yes, but that means jackshit. A good architecture doesn't automatically mean they win the performance crown back.
Take this for example. Basically they're saying the 58xx's are so good because they're twice the hardware on the old architecture, providing more raw power. Fermi is an architecture designed to deliver that power through smart handling; please notice how they keep the actual performance in the dark. Plus they act as if they've got a whole load of new features, even though it's ATI who pushed hardware tessellation into DX11 mostly. That post is clearly NVIDIA speaking
Furthermore there's been a LOT of rumours that they need ANOTHER stepping to get the chips right; alongside the rumours that the "GF100" cards demonstrated so far have been breaching the 300W limit of the PCI-E standard. Both could result in even more delays, which in return allows ATI to step up on their development to keep the crown.
Either NVIDIA is putting up an amazing smokescreen and Fermi will literally blow everything else out of the way, or (and this is more likely), they underestimated what the 58xx's would be like, and as a result their architecture isn't as fast as they thought it would be. Which means Fermi will be a big disappointment, and they'll have to get their performance crown when they do the die shrink and improve on the whole thing :E |
Cool, let's just hope that fermi is going to suck, don't want to regret buying my 5850  , i regret buying the i5 now, should have gone for a 955 and saved up for a 5870 vapor-x card when i think of it :/ i love the post-computer purchase regret you get when you analyze the other hardware you could've bought
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Jan 2010 00:13 Post subject: |
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@ pwerelds
If I'm hearing this right, ATI hasn't done anything splendid except for expand on already proven methods. Now it sounds as if nViDiA is going out on a limb and trying to further improve the whole design and inner workings, which would in the long run surpass current technology. At the same time since this sounds like an opinion I feel like what I'm saying is complete bullshit somewhat. The real question is with the current skeptics floating around - whether or not the new Fermi will actually be worth it and how long it will really take for the new Fermi to surpass current performance standards already set, I surely don't think it will be much better if at all than what is already available solely on all the optimism I've heard in the past few months...
@ Razzacka2
Everything you buy now is cheaper 6 months down the road so if your an avid pc gamer and custom computer builder, you'd come to realize regret comes with it..
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Jan 2010 04:33 Post subject: |
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I was just wondering in games that support Physx if I had an ATI card what would be the outcome of that?
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Jan 2010 05:08 Post subject: |
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Depends on the PhysX used in the game. For most games, nVidia or ATI means nothing because physics are calculated on the CPU. In games like Batman Arkham Asylum, which are "optimized" for nVidia, the physics are calculated on the GPU and you get extra moving papers on the floor. Like Battlefield Bad Company 2 has shown, none of that bullshit is needed, everything can run on the CPU just fine.
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Jan 2010 11:14 Post subject: |
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Is waiting for the nVIDIA crads released in March not a option atall?
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Jan 2010 12:36 Post subject: |
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| Anthirs wrote: | | Speaking of fans - anyone able to suggest a good extra fan for my GTX 260? |
I jist put a Arctic Cooling Accelero Xtreme GTX Pro on my GTX275 and the idle temps went from 48-50° before to 29-31° now, and so far i haven't seen anything above 43° load, with the fans running at 52% (they won't go any lower than that for some reason), so well worth the €40 i spent on that. Worth mentioning that you should check how much space you have in your case, the cooler is about 2cm longer than the card.
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Jan 2010 13:41 Post subject: |
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| Ci2e wrote: | @ pwerelds
If I'm hearing this right, ATI hasn't done anything splendid except for expand on already proven methods. Now it sounds as if nViDiA is going out on a limb and trying to further improve the whole design and inner workings, which would in the long run surpass current technology. At the same time since this sounds like an opinion I feel like what I'm saying is complete bullshit somewhat. The real question is with the current skeptics floating around - whether or not the new Fermi will actually be worth it and how long it will really take for the new Fermi to surpass current performance standards already set, I surely don't think it will be much better if at all than what is already available solely on all the optimism I've heard in the past few months... |
Not true really.
Any chip maker works on a tick-tock system more or less, meaning that for every generation, there are two stages. The tick is a die shrink; smaller chips which are cooler, allow higher clocks, etcetera. The tock is an architecture redesign. On rare occasions, they do both at the same time (Intel's Prescott for example did both; first 90nm CPU as well as a changed architecture over "regular" P4's), but most of the time they all follow this scheme.
ATI's tick was the 3000 series, but funnily enough followed with another tick for RV770 (4870); based on the previous architecture, but still changed heavily enough to be called a redesign. 5000 series is the tock; die shrink from 55 to 40 nm (which is a massive shrink in this industry). NVIDIA haven't had a tick since 2006, when G80 came out. G92 is the tock, GT200 (all THREE of them) are merely second tocks.
| Slizza wrote: | | Is waiting for the nVIDIA crads released in March not a option atall? |
Well waiting is always an option, it's just that rumours are not good atm.
Having read a few of the architecture articles now, NVIDIA does in fact have a very well designed product at hand. There are a few concerns right now though:
- It is first and foremost, a product designed for DX11; the whole thing is built around tessellation. That could very well prove to be a bad decision, since there are still an aweful lot of popular DX10 games.
- At first glance, it might prove to rely even heavier on good driver/API support.
And they're still goddamn IDIOTS when it comes to multimonitor support. It is now 100% certain that you'll need 2 videocards to drive 3 monitors; even though each card will most likely have 4 friggin connectors on the back. Also, they claim they've been sitting on the technology for a while now, but didn't see a market for it. Well guess what NVIDIA, ATI beat you to it and did it better than you 
Still not impressed by Fermi, let's hope benchmarks will prove different in a few months >_< |
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Jan 2010 13:46 Post subject: |
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With nVidia, it is like a broken clock.
tick - tock - tock - tock - tock - tock - tock - tock - tock - tock - tock - tock
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Jan 2010 14:01 Post subject: |
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It's only 3 months later the first proposed launch date was.
What's the big deal?
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Jan 2010 14:04 Post subject: |
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its the ATI fanboys who keep calling anyone not buying an ATI card a NVIDIA fanboy ...
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Jan 2010 14:47 Post subject: |
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| Perry Rhodan wrote: | | Anthirs wrote: | | Speaking of fans - anyone able to suggest a good extra fan for my GTX 260? |
I jist put a Arctic Cooling Accelero Xtreme GTX Pro on my GTX275 and the idle temps went from 48-50° before to 29-31° now, and so far i haven't seen anything above 43° load, with the fans running at 52% (they won't go any lower than that for some reason), so well worth the €40 i spent on that. Worth mentioning that you should check how much space you have in your case, the cooler is about 2cm longer than the card. |
Cheers!
shitloads of new stuff in my pc. Cant keep track of it all.
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Jan 2010 15:57 Post subject: |
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| Anthirs wrote: | | Perry Rhodan wrote: | | Anthirs wrote: | | Speaking of fans - anyone able to suggest a good extra fan for my GTX 260? |
I jist put a Arctic Cooling Accelero Xtreme GTX Pro on my GTX275 and the idle temps went from 48-50° before to 29-31° now, and so far i haven't seen anything above 43° load, with the fans running at 52% (they won't go any lower than that for some reason), so well worth the €40 i spent on that. Worth mentioning that you should check how much space you have in your case, the cooler is about 2cm longer than the card. |
Cheers! |
I got the same results with the CPU cooler I bought after I removed the rubber contact protector from the bottom of the CPU cooler lolz
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Jan 2010 04:53 Post subject: |
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Lightning Lite what the hell does that mean?
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