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twobells
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 Posted: Fri, 19th Feb 2010 14:44 Post subject: 256gb ssd worthwhile? |
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I am upgrading my storage and want to ask if you think I should get a 256gb ssd which contains my OS, apps and games or rather a 64gb 'c drive' model that contains just the OS and essential apps while the rest sits on a traditional cheap 'D' drive (fastest sata drive I can find)
thanks in advance.
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| Posted: Fri, 19th Feb 2010 14:45 Post subject: |
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ssd is a waste of cash atm imo and defo not worth it
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deelix
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| Posted: Fri, 19th Feb 2010 15:34 Post subject: |
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Yeah, it's too early for SSD. Just get a BIG sata drive.
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| Posted: Fri, 19th Feb 2010 16:05 Post subject: |
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If you want to do a fresh OS install with Windows7 x32/64 use the SSD (64GB or more) for the boot drive and you'll get considerable speed. Then tack on standard HDDs as the slaves. SSDs are absolutely perfect for a boot drive to put your OS (full install of Windows7 Ultimate with extras = ~9.3Gb disk cost) and your apps (assume Office2007, Acrobat 9.0Pro, etc = < 10Gb disk cost) so you'll have more than enough room with 64Gb Boot/OS/App drive. 
However, I would strongly get a SATA3/6Gbps SSD.. don't settle for anything less. USB2.0 and SATA2 are old and need to retire FAST!
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Werelds
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| Posted: Fri, 19th Feb 2010 16:54 Post subject: |
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I'd wait a while longer. As sexy and awesome as these things are, we're nowhere near the maximum performance and durability yet. If you look at where SSD's were 9 months ago, and where they are now, the improvement is ridiculous.
NAND prices are coming down in price and being improved a lot now that there's an even higher demand for them. All the major controller manufacturers are also still researching a whole load of shit to improve speeds and such. All of that will result in SSD's dropping in price.
Just wait to be honest, or you'll be punching yourself for buying one now when the prices are lowered to half (or less) of what they are now, and performance is actually where it can be 
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twobells
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| Posted: Fri, 19th Feb 2010 19:51 Post subject: |
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Hmm, I'll wait a while then for a price reduction, thanks for everyone's input.
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| Posted: Fri, 19th Feb 2010 19:55 Post subject: |
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At this point,
Spinpoint F3 FTW
Can't go wrong with one (or three) of those. 
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deelix
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Fri, 19th Feb 2010 20:05 Post subject: |
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Yeah, trust them to deliver the slowest HDD, that is. 
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Werelds
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| Posted: Fri, 19th Feb 2010 20:12 Post subject: |
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deelix
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| Posted: Fri, 19th Feb 2010 22:00 Post subject: |
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everyone who is bashing ssd's is plain stupid tbh. ssd is the best upgrade in years , just get ocz (agility, vertex) or new intel g2.
best price/performance atm is ocz agility 60gb for system and appz 2-3 games and wd black 1tb for dump.
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| Posted: Fri, 19th Feb 2010 22:06 Post subject: |
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ill get 2x 64gb for a raid0 once they are 1gb per euro
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| Posted: Fri, 19th Feb 2010 22:08 Post subject: |
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| SMX wrote: | everyone who is bashing ssd's is plain stupid tbh. ssd is the best upgrade in years , just get ocz (agility, vertex) or new intel g2.
best price/performance atm is ocz agility 60gb for system and appz 2-3 games and wd black 1tb for dump. |
3 games limit is kinda retarded in our time, hell i have about 50 installed atm on 500 gb hdd which i got for 50 euro back in the day, now to get same space i need to cash out around 1300 euro just for quicker loading times?!
sorry not that crazy, rich nor stupid
no one is bashing the performance but the ridiculous price, ssd is cheaper to develop than standard hdd and yet it's more expensive like everything new these days
| deelix wrote: | | iNatan wrote: | | Yeah, trust them to deliver the slowest HDD, that is. |
Well at least they are reliable |
highly doubt that, they either doa or daa (dead after awhile), most undreliable drives i've seen in my life, strangely enough 2.5 inch are pretty durable and can last pretty long, something i wouldn't say about 3.5 inch
sammy's is the way to go, quite, cold, fast and long lasting
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Fri, 19th Feb 2010 22:18 Post subject: |
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Blowing so much cash for mere games and "appz" is what is "plain stupid", "tbh", especially when you look at the faster drives out there (which are not necessarily too expensive). What, you need SSD to play those console ports with them 256x256 and 512x512 textures? Or you'd load your Windows 7 in 7 seconds instead of 15?
SSD is best with data access heavy applications, like a web server, databases, etc. If you run Firefox, Office, MPCHC and BioShock 2 on your PC, there is hardly any reason to throw cash on SSD drives at the current prices.
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| Posted: Fri, 19th Feb 2010 22:21 Post subject: |
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| SMX wrote: | everyone who is bashing ssd's is plain stupid tbh. ssd is the best upgrade in years , just get ocz (agility, vertex) or new intel g2.
best price/performance atm is ocz agility 60gb for system and appz 2-3 games and wd black 1tb for dump. |
I hope that wasn't directed at me, I'm not bashing SSDs. They prove that the HDD is truly an obsolete and aging product, but SSDs are nowhere near their full capability yet.
More importantly, the price per GB is so ridiculously high on the good models (I'd recommend only Vertex, not even Agility) that you either gotta be swimming in cash, or plain stupid to spend that amount of money.
Prices are going to drop immensely during 2010, for various reasons:
- NAND flash chips are getting smaller
- NAND flash chips are getting cheaper
- The amount of R&D spent on controllers is immense, as a result even companies who fucked up on their first controller (like JMicron) have fixed their stuff and are catching up rapidly
So from an economical point of view, as well as a technical point of view, buying one now is fun and will improve your system but is also not a wise decision looking into the near future. And no, this is not like the GPU industry where you can keep waiting - they're gonna reach a point where the speed can't really be improved, and all they'll be working out is making them bigger.
| Mortibus wrote: | | ssd is cheaper to develop than standard hdd and yet it's more expensive like everything new these days |
Actually, no 
R&D spent on these things is much higher than it is on mechanical drives. On top of that, NAND memory prices have skyrocketed over the past few months, and are only just starting to drop now (cba to type out all the causes for this ).
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spend designing them or making them? plastic vs metal, metal will always be expensive to develop as a material, ssd = mostly plastic, that ram price didn't affect the price of ssd even when it was twice cheaper, so no
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| Posted: Fri, 19th Feb 2010 23:41 Post subject: |
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anyone who has seen a good ssd in action will never go back to classic hdd, period
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| Posted: Sat, 20th Feb 2010 01:04 Post subject: |
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| SMX wrote: | | anyone who has seen a good ssd in action will never go back to classic hdd, period |
dont SSD suck ass as random IO writes?
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deelix
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| Posted: Sat, 20th Feb 2010 11:15 Post subject: |
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| Mortibus wrote: | | never had a failed maxtor |
Me neither, so a lot of other people had issues. Might have been a bad year for them or something. Because the next year, we generally had much less problems with HDDs.
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| Posted: Sat, 20th Feb 2010 11:36 Post subject: |
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"256gb ssd worthwhile?"
If you have more money than you can spend, sure.. Otherwise the price/performance/capacity ratio is abnormally bad.
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| Posted: Sat, 20th Feb 2010 14:07 Post subject: |
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You sure that 300 MB/s isn't just the speed of SATA as that's the max for SATA 2 isn't it?
(SATA 3 being faster but so far not much uses it, backwards compatible like USB 3 however, or so I've read.)
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| garus wrote: | | How fast is it? I see 300MB/s but that's marketing. I have 500GB samsung and it gets max 120MB/s read speed. |
Does around 140 sequential r/w. Random r/w speeds are negligible between mechanical drives, as they're shit on all of them compared to an SSD
| JBeckman wrote: | You sure that 300 MB/s isn't just the speed of SATA as that's the max for SATA 2 isn't it?
(SATA 3 being faster but so far not much uses it, backwards compatible like USB 3 however, or so I've read.) |
300 MBps is roughly the speed of SATA2, yeah. And not much uses SATA3 yet? Nothing does. Not even the fastest SSDs can take advantage of it. Heck, SATA2 is only just being pushed to its limits by the fastest SSDs
Also, Mortibus and SMX, you both completely miss the point. Noone's saying SSDs are bad, because a good (and thus expensive) SSD will make a huge difference for anything installed on it. But that remark is also the problem: anything installed ON IT. Having your games on a mechanical drive while your OS is an SSD will improve things slightly, but nowhere near the extent that would justify the purchase. Like I said, NAND is getting cheaper again, which will result in a much lower price/gb ratio over the next 6-12 months, and in the meantime the controllers are only getting better and better, so with a bit of luck we might actually see SATA3 being used in that same timespan.
Edit: Oh, and "Plastic is cheaper than metal"? Nice try Mortibus, but it doesn't work like that 
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Back then WD was the best alternative without a doubt. Only sammy HDD I have is the 20GB one in the 360 
