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[sYn]
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Never coded? Learn C# .NET first.. then from there move to C++ .NET.. Also grab the latest version of Visual Studio.
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| Posted: Sun, 20th Jan 2008 20:32 Post subject: |
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| [sYn] wrote: | | Never coded? Learn C# .NET first.. then from there move to C++ .NET.. Also grab the latest version of Visual Studio. |
Would you recommend any book for learning C# .NET?
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[sYn]
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| Posted: Mon, 21st Jan 2008 00:40 Post subject: |
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Don't know any books really as I don't use them. Programming was kind of natural for me.. didn't need to learn.. I tend to use books as a point of reference (but these days I just do it online using the .net forums or MSDN)..
I have a "wrox professional asp.net" book which is pretty good, they do C# etc also.. You may want to check those out? Thats all I could comment on though.
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Epsilon
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| Posted: Sun, 27th Jan 2008 23:36 Post subject: |
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C++ The Complete Reference, Sams Teach yourself C++,Programming Linux Games.
Last one was written by a very good friend of mine John "Overcode" Reeves Hall,
who sadly passed away in 2005, a good friend with a lot of talent :'(. Once your done with the others, that book comes heartily recommened as it teaches you how to get graphics on your screen, Input/output and write multiplatform games which is becoming even more essential as time goes on.
Enjoy your studying.
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| Posted: Mon, 28th Jan 2008 17:43 Post subject: |
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Well thanks for the tips but i ordered C for dummies. Going to being with that one then see if i'll progress on in C or move to C++.
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[sYn]
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| Posted: Mon, 28th Jan 2008 19:25 Post subject: |
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Arghh! C!! NOOoooooo!
Maybe I'm alone on this one.. C = Embedded applications. Nice language but I would never use it for a computer application.
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| Posted: Mon, 28th Jan 2008 19:37 Post subject: |
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| [sYn] wrote: | Arghh! C!! NOOoooooo!
Maybe I'm alone on this one.. C = Embedded applications. Nice language but I would never use it for a computer application. |
Ah well, i thought C was a good starting ground to later go onto C++. But anyway i'll start with this and see what happens.
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| Posted: Mon, 28th Jan 2008 23:09 Post subject: |
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Don't. Start with C++ or even better a more modern language like C# or Java.
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[sYn]
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| Posted: Tue, 29th Jan 2008 14:37 Post subject: |
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aw aw aw damn. I can't "shut off" the order. it has already been sent.
But yeah what kind of applications can i construct with regular C?
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Epsilon
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| Posted: Fri, 15th Feb 2008 01:07 Post subject: |
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I know someone who made a 16bit kernel using only asm...
Theres some masochists out there so if you say you can't write a gui with C somebody will do it, just because.
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LeoNatan
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Hey, I've made some gui stuff on borland C for a graphics project once (for dos graphics mode). Wasn't that hard.
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Epsilon
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| LeoNatan wrote: | | Hey, I've made some gui stuff on borland C for a graphics project once (for dos graphics mode). Wasn't that hard. |
No but not overly complex either I'd imagine.
Using ncurses one can easily wrap together a keyboard selection interface with C, but it's never going to be a gui. |
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| Posted: Fri, 15th Feb 2008 01:22 Post subject: |
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Sure, it just had the functions I needed for my project (it was a 3d maze, and the UI was for the level editor).
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[sYn]
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C++ for dummies is a wonderful start. Don't listen to everyone here or you won't get started. The best thing is to just start.
For me, I took a class because I need someone there to show me how to get started on things. That's just how I am.
To learn some basics and understand the fundamentals of programming and have fun doing it, I would suggest learning Javascript first. The only pre-requisite is knowing some basic HTML. It's immediately visual and you kill 2 birds with one stone. C++ just uses a broader terminology and offers more functionality after you learn JS.
My 2 cents.
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LeoNatan
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C++ is most definitely not easy, even for semi-experienced developers. I've gone the "C -> C++ -> Java -> C# for a long time -> C++" path, and I can't even begin to explain how hard and limiting it is on one hand, while overwhelming and powerful on the other. I recently did an MFC project in C++, and I reached a point where I had to touch multiple inheritance with virtual polymorphism. But C++ is really in a need for a serious change and modernization.
Just a quick example:
| Code: | typedef void (Scene::*Inserter)(int, GameShape*);
Inserter inserter;
inserter = &Scene::AddTeamShape;
(g_Conn.scene.*inserter)(data[2], tank); |
Seriously, WTF!? 
BTW, C# as a language is much better than Java and that should be the beginners choice.
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| Posted: Mon, 9th Nov 2009 16:48 Post subject: |
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Sorry for bumping this post after a long time but... what book can you recommend for starting with C# or Java?
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I may be a bit late, but learn C++ first, it gives you a better understanding of modern day programming paradigms and then move to .NET or Java. In fact a lot of jobs take UNMANAGED C++ as a plus right in the requirements. In fact I interviewed for a .NET job once and was asked mainly C++ questions.
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Bumping up for fun, and for a small advice...
For C# I would suggest the 'Head First C#'
I wanted a small reference book and ordered one without checking at all what it's about (I've done several courses of C# at uni.) and... I was disappointed  I found out that it starts from zero and it's done in quite... funny way.
So, as I was saying I think this book would be great for beginners... just totally useless if you know the language already.
Someone mentioned the Wrox series, and I think that they're for a bit more advanced people... not sure though, I've only one book from the series and it sucks (Android 1st edition)
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| Razacka2 wrote: | | [sYn] wrote: | Arghh! C!! NOOoooooo!
Maybe I'm alone on this one.. C = Embedded applications. Nice language but I would never use it for a computer application. |
Ah well, i thought C was a good starting ground to later go onto C++. But anyway i'll start with this and see what happens. |
The problem with going from C to C++/C# is that you'll have to forget most of what you've learned and start over with understanding object oriented development. C is not object oriented and unless you're planning to develop for various automated devices/drivers there's no point in learning it.
Start with C# in Visual Studio C# Express, then go to C++ if you need to.
My first book was "Visual C#.NET Step by Step" by John Sharp and Jon Jagger. It would be good to have a book about SQL as well so you can practice and develop with databases (I have Sam's "SQL in 24 hours, 3rd Edition"). Doesn't matter which database server you use as long as it's SQL.
http://www.microsoft.com/learning/en/us/Book.aspx?ID=13525&locale=en-us#tab1
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Maybe it's because this is how I learned programming, but I think C is really important as basis for all development. It contains all the basics for programming, and also makes you appreciate object oriented programming so much more.
Also, I think, going straight to Java or C# is also not recommended, but possible. Starting with C++ and understanding everything that is done for you in the background in Java/C# is very important, as well as getting a feel for how memory management is done (this also applies to C, but to a lesser extent).
I'm sure there are people that would recommend the same for ASM -> C, but I wouldn't go that far, wouldn't recommend ASM beyond a nice afternoon read.
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Why was this thread resurrected? The original poster asked his question two and a half years ago.
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