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tonizito
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 Posted: Fri, 14th May 2010 18:21 Post subject: How to fix what's wrong with PC gaming |
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http://www.gamesradar.com/f/how-to-fix-whats-wrong-with-pc-gaming/a-20100513111418259032
| Quote: | | The platform is powerful but flawed - here are 12 things that require a reboot |
Here's what I don't agree with:
- Make PC hardware standards compulsory: Even if you use numbers to represent what the minimum/required system specs already mean this wouldn't solve the biggest problem regarding the system requirements for a game; if a developer wants to lie about them(Crysis, GTA4,etc) they can and they will. And Microsoft wouldn't really care less. Hey, just like now! 
- Make console-like PCs: Just...I mean...no comment. 
- Make modular PCs: Yeah! Soldering my HD4890 was a pain in the ass, and don't even get me started on my CPU... 
I DO agree with some points, like reclaiming the high tech advantage( too bad that ATI and Nvidia don't really give a crap about seriously trying to support the PC platform next to the developers, and that developers themselves these days will more likely put out a lazy port than a scalable PC version ), making games more complicated and learning from pirates.
Too bad that the idiotic points of the article are really, REALLY dumb.
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Fri, 14th May 2010 18:45 Post subject: |
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Unless you can seriously increase the amount of money people can earn for programming a game you won't see any cool games like it was in the '90s. Now it's all about what sells and not what plays well. If you have a team of programmers, making games is usualy not the way you want to go unless you want to become some EAs little bitch.
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| Posted: Fri, 14th May 2010 19:34 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | The big E3 shows aren’t just about showing off your games to the public. They’re about ensuring that publishers, investors, analysts and suits understand the business case for the platform. Right now, the PC doesn’t have anyone making the business case for it at the world’s biggest gaming event. That needs to change. We need one of our platform guardians, like Microsoft, Valve, Blizzard, Dell, Nvidia, or ATi to launch their own E3 press conference, where the best of PC gaming can be launched and shown off to the world. |
did he ever heard of blizzcon? clueless guy is clueless.. its not exactly next e3 for pc only, but its blizzard only.. and that thing probably have more eyes watching it than e3 and all other expos together..
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| Posted: Fri, 14th May 2010 23:49 Post subject: |
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so basically what he really meant was
"Turn a pc into a console"
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| Posted: Sat, 15th May 2010 00:04 Post subject: |
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there's absolutely nothing wrong with the hardware
the problem is game companies having a big ati/nvidia/intel sponsored stiffy for the latest gizmos, making perfectly good computers obsolete within six months
meanwhile companies like valve pump out games that look good enough and run on ancient machines
as the article is a truckload of horseshit i'll quote what i agree on;
-Make games complicated
i think the word he's looking for is 'complex' cos 'complicated' is a very negative word - but yea, complex games are exclusively what made PC gaming better than consoles
today complex games are almost nonexistent - apart from strategy games
-Fight illegal downloads by providing a better service
duh
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| Posted: Sat, 15th May 2010 00:24 Post subject: |
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There is nothing wrong with PC gaming.
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| Posted: Sat, 15th May 2010 00:48 Post subject: |
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Well it sucks but consoles are better.
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| Posted: Sat, 15th May 2010 00:52 Post subject: |
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| tainted4ever wrote: | | There is nothing wrong with PC gaming. |
Right, there is something wrong with those greedy bastards out there.
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crossmr
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| Posted: Sat, 15th May 2010 02:50 Post subject: |
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This article is written by a moron.
That's really all that has to be said. I can't believe you even brought it here for discussion.
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| Posted: Sat, 15th May 2010 09:33 Post subject: |
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wanna "fix/make PC gaming better" ?
Easy...
Stop porting.
Make games for PCs alone.
Its the port thing that doesnt work.
Some things that might work great on consoles dont work on PCs and the other way around.
When companies ignore this, thats when shit happens imo
To me PC gaming is where the fun is, but i keep my PC updated each year with new HW.
I've all the consoles and have to say they are ok to play at now and then with friends over, but outside of that... Im not really into them.
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| Posted: Sat, 15th May 2010 10:14 Post subject: Re: How to fix what's wrong with PC gaming |
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Werelds
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| Posted: Sat, 15th May 2010 10:19 Post subject: |
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The guy who wrote that really is an idiot.
- Using unified numbers to identify the system requirements? Yeah that really works, because it's not as if PC's double in power every two years requiring a new set of numbers..OH WAIT 
- Branded PC's? Not gonna sell more of those, really. The average PC gamer isn't hung up on a single game.
- Modular PC's? Nice idea, shame it would take another decade for all the different manufacturers to come up with some standard for Microsoft to igno..erm I mean.. 
- Batman:AA has DX11? That's news to me, although granted I stopped caring about that game a long time ago. Did they really patch in DX11 into an NVIDIA game just because they can?
- WoW complicated? Fuck off.
- Anti-piracy by making it easier to buy? No, anti-piracy by making the games worth my money. I've bought more indie games off Steam in the past 3 months than I have bought AAA titles in the past year. Why? Because they're actually good games, awesome in some cases even.
- 3D chips in netbooks? Sure mate, you just go invent a chip that can do its job without generating heat that you need to get rid of.
Please don't take my keyboard/mouse away, there's no controller that's gonna give the same freedom. Multi touch monitors are an interesting point for RTS games though.
And what the hell is his point in the indie section? I really don't get that, what's his problem now?
The only good point he made was about Steam pricing, at least for Europe. Seeing as it comes from PC Gamer UK, he knows how badly we get fucked over 
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crossmr
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| Posted: Sat, 15th May 2010 11:02 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | - 3D chips in netbooks? Sure mate, you just go invent a chip that can do its job without generating heat that you need to get rid of. |
Plenty of laptops have genuine graphics cards in them, some even have SLI setups. This one isn't a stretch but it defeats the point of PCs not being just about games.
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| Posted: Sat, 15th May 2010 11:08 Post subject: |
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laptop != netbook
But anyway, there are in fact netbooks with decent 3d. They use ION platform.
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| Posted: Sat, 15th May 2010 11:13 Post subject: |
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Werelds
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Surray
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| Posted: Sat, 15th May 2010 12:15 Post subject: |
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How to fix what's wrong with PC gaming?
Easy!
Get rid of people saying there's something wrong with PC gaming.
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| Posted: Sat, 15th May 2010 12:22 Post subject: |
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How to fix PC gaming: Stop piracy  Clearly that is what is killing PC gaming!
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| Posted: Sat, 15th May 2010 12:26 Post subject: |
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Sat, 15th May 2010 12:29 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sat, 15th May 2010 12:35 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sat, 15th May 2010 12:38 Post subject: |
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| pwerelds wrote: | | crossmr wrote: | | Quote: | | - 3D chips in netbooks? Sure mate, you just go invent a chip that can do its job without generating heat that you need to get rid of. |
Plenty of laptops have genuine graphics cards in them, some even have SLI setups. This one isn't a stretch but it defeats the point of PCs not being just about games. |
Like peter980 says, it's about netbooks, not notebooks. And ION still isn't fast enough to run anything above 1024x768, even that resolution is a stretch for a lot of games  |
But is good enough for older games, or less demaning ones. And they use either 1024x600 or 1366x768 as native resolution anyway. Still, it beats regular laptops with crappy Intel GMA's.
Plus, putting anything faster then ION on Atom platform doesn't pay off since then CPU's would be weak link. For even better graphics you really need faster netbooks too.
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| Posted: Sat, 15th May 2010 12:39 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sat, 15th May 2010 12:42 Post subject: |
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What is interesting about netbooks is that they all look like. Have same processors, same graphics solutions. They are almost as much standardized as consoles. If some sort of decent 3d solution is added, and becomes standard (ION is just beggining), maybe game developers would start supporting such platform.
It's not difficult to make game that looks pretty on GPU that does 3.000 points in 3Dmark05.
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| Posted: Sat, 15th May 2010 12:45 Post subject: |
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Their CPUs are way weak to support modern gaming properly, even the dual-core Atom chips (and similar Nano chips).
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| Posted: Sat, 15th May 2010 12:46 Post subject: |
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So true, that why ION is pretty much the best they can do with.
At least until we get new generation of cheap low power consuming CPUs.
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And any sane person will know that you can't kill piracy 100% so it's better to be able to reach out to pirates worldwide with great sales etc.
