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 Posted: Wed, 23rd Jun 2010 16:12 Post subject: how does piracy affect developers? |
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if the retailers (best buy, walmart, gamestop, whoever) buy 500,000 copies of a game to sell then how do the developers lose money? wouldn't piracy affect the retailer and not the developer?
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Lutzifer
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd Jun 2010 16:31 Post subject: |
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they usually dont buy the games. They get them on commission. Everything they dont sell within a certain time-period will be send back. Might be mistaken though
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd Jun 2010 16:36 Post subject: |
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| Lutzifer wrote: | | they usually dont buy the games. They get them on commission. Everything they dont sell within a certain time-period will be send back. Might be mistaken though |
Yep, that's exactly how it was for us when I used to run a game store. We got a percentage of the sale, the rest went to the publisher - and any we didn't sell, we had the option to return.
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Lutzifer
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd Jun 2010 16:45 Post subject: |
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i bet there are special deals for high-turn-over games where sales are pretty much guaranteed, like GTA, where bigger chains will just buy a fixed amount of copies without commissioning them, so the publishers get their money back faster and give the chain-stores a better bulk price. But yeah, i guess the day to day stuff is usually on commission.
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd Jun 2010 16:50 Post subject: |
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cool. i was thinking about the other day and i thought about the commission thing but it seems kinda stupid. a big retailer has the bucks to buy xx amount of copies and sell them. i guess maybe they do it so they dont get suck with the leftover? anyway thanks for clearing that up for me.
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd Jun 2010 17:51 Post subject: |
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I guess it works out for the best with smaller retailers, like we were, as it means no cost up front and any product you don't sell you can just send back.
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TSR69
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd Jun 2010 17:55 Post subject: |
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These days you run a site instead of a store, sabin?
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd Jun 2010 17:58 Post subject: |
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Nah, I used to be a moderator - and I've been a founding member of another one, but never admin or actually "running" a site. I was only general manager at the gamestore, though it was just me working in that branch. Great times though! If I ever had enough cash to do it, I would start my own game or PC store in a heartbeat. Amazing experience, one I miss daily.
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd Jun 2010 18:04 Post subject: |
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LOL Sabin, what was the drama in the demon all about? 
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd Jun 2010 18:07 Post subject: |
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Holy shit, you were there for that? *laughs* Basically trolls didn't like me because I didn't take shit off anyone. Volatile personality + ban stick? Probably not a good combo. The admin and I used to butt heads a lot too, in the end I told him to delete my account and he did.
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TSR69
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd Jun 2010 18:12 Post subject: |
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In my college years I lived in Rotterdam (the 2nd biggest city in the Netherlands), we had 2 RPG stores there and several game stores (I always thought that a store owner should combine both) but I loved those stores with all the Warhammer or AD&D miniatures, the books ranging from AD&D to Werewolf or Vampire or MERP, one of the those stores also specialised in comics.
Those stores were run by geeks and if I visited a game store the employees seemed only interested in money making instead of promoting something they found cool.
Don't take that the wrong way though, there was no atmosphere in those stores in those days.
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Developers are hired/funded by a publisher for a title. That's covering wages and resources during development. If the developer is lucky it'll get some nice royalties from sales, but ultimately they've been paid for the work they did, the rest is bonus. Of course, there's a dimension of piracy lowering sales which means the publisher has less money to fund developers with. But publishers these days are overgrown organisations where money are swallowed down a black executive hole before even reaching anything related to actual game development.
Oh how I long for the days with dozens and dozens of smaller publishers and standalone developers working with publishers instead of todays megalithic EA/T2/Ubi/BlizzAct oligopoly of gaming that controls the market to it's own purpose instead of giving us ALL what we're interested in. It's easier/cheaper to change us than to make an effort and give us something we actually want.
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd Jun 2010 22:37 Post subject: |
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| iconized wrote: |
Those stores were run by geeks and if I visited a game store the employees seemed only interested in money making instead of promoting something they found cool.
Don't take that the wrong way though, there was no atmosphere in those stores in those days. |
Yeah mate, I've been in lots of game stores that were like that ... clerks and managers only interested in making profit and not caring about the gamers themselves. Thank fuck I was never like that. If someone came in and they asked my opinion on a game, I was HONEST. I didn't try to flog it just because it was the latest title and thus would have netted more money for the store .. and because of that, my customers loved me and I had plenty of regulars, as well as still making more than enough money for the owners each day.
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| Posted: Thu, 24th Jun 2010 14:25 Post subject: Re: how does piracy affect developers? |
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| killabyte wrote: | | if the retailers (best buy, walmart, gamestop, whoever) buy 500,000 copies of a game to sell then how do the developers lose money? wouldn't piracy affect the retailer and not the developer? |
Piracy affects the developers, publishers and retailers.
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