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 Posted: Thu, 24th Jun 2010 23:28 Post subject: 3D Gaming... |
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First of all, excuse me for making this thread in the wrong section, but I would very much appreciate feedback on this topic from Pc gamers as this group is more likely to actually posses some real knowledge about hardware be it console or for pc.
Now, I guess everybody heard that Sony is "introducing" 3D gaming for the PS3 and that is without upgrading the console.
So, I'm wondering, WTF are they thinking?? There are already several games in Sub HD resolution on the PS3 due to the fact that the PS3 can't run these games fast enough in true HD res.
How on earth will the PS3 then be able to run future games in 3D without looking like a turd in 3D?? Have I missed something, or will future PS33D games run in a 320X240 res with low res textures?
I might be wrong, but as I understand it, to run a game in true 3D mode, you need hardware that can render the game twice as fast as a movie (which is usually played at 24fps) so that means that to run a demanding PS3 game like Uncharted 2 in 3d, the PS3 would have to run the game at 48fps (and that's barely enough for a smooth experience, since 24fps goes to 3D) AND that also means that PS3 owners can say "bye bye" to 60fps gaming which I know they love so much 
So, please give some nice feedback
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Ashok0
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| Posted: Thu, 24th Jun 2010 23:38 Post subject: |
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Realistically... you're probably going to want a PC for that... yeah.
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| Posted: Thu, 24th Jun 2010 23:41 Post subject: |
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Wrong section
Epsilon: Game is great btw, I love it, so far it's a definite goty. It's remarkable how much has changed since the beta, stardock have been working their asses off, and it shows.
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| Posted: Thu, 24th Jun 2010 23:41 Post subject: |
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PC has already had 3D gaming for ages. There's a reason it didn't really take off.
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| Posted: Fri, 25th Jun 2010 00:25 Post subject: |
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| dezztroy wrote: | | PC has already had 3D gaming for ages. There's a reason it didn't really take off. |
QFT!
i had one of the first gfx cards with shutter glasses. While the effect itself is fun for a while, it strains the eyes, because you only get half the refresh-rate per eye (so you d need a 200hz monitor / tv for 100hz projection). It also does not offer any gameplay value. Sometimes it even hinders gaming, because attention is diverted to unnecessary stuff.
AND you d still need glasses for everybody...
edit: i see nui posted the same already. Now i feel derpy... =(
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| Posted: Fri, 25th Jun 2010 00:25 Post subject: |
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They already been testing this with some AAA titles on the PS3. It doesn't work well. They have to lower the graphics a lot to be able to support 3D, and considering how low they already look it's not gonna be pretty. I'm sure it will be mainly for titles like Wipeout 3D and similar ones that run at 1920x1080 @ 60fps (or so they say).
And yes, you'll need a 120hz TV for it.
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| Posted: Fri, 25th Jun 2010 00:53 Post subject: |
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| Lutzifer wrote: | | While the effect itself is fun for a while, it strains the eyes, because you only get half the refresh-rate per eye (so you d need a 200hz monitor / tv for 100hz projection). |
120Hz CRTs turn into 60Hz perhaps and that might be a bit disturbing for many, but I think the refresh rate issue does not exist anymore with CRTs sadly out of the picture.
Noone reported much or any flickering with LCDs or Plasmas - at least not with the television set itself. Although they report Ghosting, overlapping frames for both. LCDs way worse though, no wonder with their motion handling.
The Panasonic VT20 is supposedly really good and better than the 3D cinema experience. Still wouldn't recommend it this year.
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| Posted: Fri, 25th Jun 2010 01:24 Post subject: |
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I play most of my games in 3D with no eye strain at all - I enjoy all my games more though first person shooters are tougher imho - there's more realism but it's psychologically inhibiting because of that - it's much more of a buzz but harder to score... or maybe I'm just shit 
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| Posted: Fri, 25th Jun 2010 02:43 Post subject: |
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I don't think a 2d plane represented in 3d will ever be innovative, sorry. That's not real 3d. You know, when we have holographic 3d, and we play a strategy game on a 3d board like we do chess today, then I'll be impressed. Until then 3d as it is today is just a gimmick, will add nothing to gaming (unless build around it, and combined with a camera to pinpoint your eyes), just like it ....
ADDED NOTHING TO CINEMA. Yeah, avatards, suck on that.
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| Posted: Fri, 25th Jun 2010 03:22 Post subject: |
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| Radicalus wrote: | I don't think a 2d plane represented in 3d will ever be innovative, sorry. That's not real 3d. You know, when we have holographic 3d, and we play a strategy game on a 3d board like we do chess today, then I'll be impressed. Until then 3d as it is today is just a gimmick, will add nothing to gaming (unless build around it, and combined with a camera to pinpoint your eyes), just like it ....
ADDED NOTHING TO CINEMA. Yeah, avatards, suck on that. |
You ain't used it, obviously, or you'd not say you "don't think" - it's stereoscopic vision and shit looks solid NOT simply flat with a lil bit of pseudo depth - I can see depth that is not available in 2D - I can see something from behind objects with one eye that the other can't for example. Stick you finger in front of your face and check the perspective with both your eyes. That's exactly what I get when I play. Strategy games look "holographic" like I can reach in and touch the troops and vehicles. Flight simulation and driving are far better and in fact I sometimes feel vertigo and the sense of speed is just mind blowing ...and playing L4D2 with zombies jumping OUT of the screen at me, while bullets whizz over my head from behind and into the screen, is a real hoot.
I dunno how they manage to do it but it works and, whilst it's not perfect for every title, most games look more realistic, with titles like Metro 2033 and Batman AA as the best examples of how well it actually does work. Even smoke has volume. It's possible to get fair idea with cheap red/cyan glasses and a regular monitor - it's not half as good as the shutter glasses but is still quite impressive as long as you tweak stuff with the hotkeys to experiment.
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| Posted: Fri, 25th Jun 2010 03:37 Post subject: |
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Still this stereoscopic 3D effect is weird. From the first moment on it did not feel normal or realsitic, can't pin it on something specific though. Only watched Avatar and the panasonic 3D Demo video though.
What i'd find far more interesting would be headtracking, making the game perspective change based on your heads position. That would give the brain more input to compute a 3D image as it it does in real life. Unlike the fed stereoscopic image that is not bound to your position at all.
And to top it off, supposedly in real life your vision only uses the stereoscopic part for very short distances. The rest of the 3D vision is based on information for which one eye would suffice. Some moving scenes in movies look perfectly 3-dimensional on a 2D TV when it is sufficiently good.
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| Posted: Fri, 25th Jun 2010 03:48 Post subject: |
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I use headtracking as well Nui - freetrack for flight sims and driving. I was using it before I had the glasses and the combination certainly works even better than with either just on their own. I lean from side to side, in and out, and even bob up and down, and look around (obviously head turning is geared up so it's a slight turn rather than a full turn to enable still looking at the screen but it feels natural).
I never saw those movies at the cinema - I only used the nvidia 3D glasses in gaming and nothing feels strange at all to me. Like I say you can only get a true idea by trying it.
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| Posted: Fri, 25th Jun 2010 05:06 Post subject: |
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| Lutzifer wrote: | | dezztroy wrote: | | PC has already had 3D gaming for ages. There's a reason it didn't really take off. |
QFT!
i had one of the first gfx cards with shutter glasses. While the effect itself is fun for a while, it strains the eyes, because you only get half the refresh-rate per eye (so you d need a 200hz monitor / tv for 100hz projection). It also does not offer any gameplay value. Sometimes it even hinders gaming, because attention is diverted to unnecessary stuff.
AND you d still need glasses for everybody...
edit: i see nui posted the same already. Now i feel derpy... =( |
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/Displays/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=320-8846
These are becoming more common
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