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 Posted: Wed, 25th Aug 2010 11:11 Post subject: State of play |
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The release of mafia 2 made me thinking about the state of today's games v.s games 10 years ago , Lets focus on big name games that came out recently v.s thier older versions :
Fallout 1+2 :
Epic RPG , hardcore combat , high replay value , long and sweet.
Fallout 3 :
Bethesda softcore "RPG" with no rpg elements , Zero difficulty , Low replay value , " kill MUTANTS in level 1 with a zip gun" Short.
Basically A game set for the dump infected mind's of today's whining facebook hugging twitter tweeting ruined youth that are capable of nothing , Consolized garbage.
Mafia :
Epic. Freedom. Huge. Do what you want. not so easy. high replay value.
Mafia 2 :
Short. Small world ( 11 sq ft my ass ). Nothing to do beside main objectives. zero replay value ( I compare replay value to REAL replay value and not just wondering around like an idiot denying the game's end. ).
again , Basically A game set for the dump infected minds of today's whining facebook hugging twitter tweeting ruined youth that are capable of nothing , Consolized garbage.
Deus ex 1 v.s Deus ex 2 , same thing.
You think Deus ex 3 will change anything ? It's going down the same road , 8 hour long campaign with nothing else to do , Stuiped choices ( for the stuiped console kids capable of nothing else ) of basically pure good or evil way easy as fuck with you feeling like a god capable of doing anything , I'm willing to sign on it.
First person shooters ...
Anyone remmember the first Unreal ? half life 1 ? I'm not going ancient back to Doom 1 2 or quake ...
what we got , Long story with shit loads of missions , real difficulty curve with sometimes hard as hell parts , finishing any of them made you feel so good inside , that " I overcame the boss in unreal " feeling that you cant get today ... no fucking health regeneration , no gimicks , no super powers ...
Today's shooters are just a shadow of their former glory , Built to be acceptable for the console retards that can hardly AIM at anything or ... god forbid .. Turn fast , These things travel to the PC , CRIPPLING him.
Call of duty 4 , 5 , 6 , black ops , shadow ops , pink ops , 2011 , 2012 , 2012 special edition etc ... that recent batman ( while it was epic look at difficulty curve ) and the likes ... I can finish them in 6 fucking hours .
I rush ? Rushing is the invention of those who can't , Why can't I "rush" through Unreal ?
All us old time hardcore gamers that grown on blood and tears rip apart today's games with zero effort , while future generations most probably come closer to doom.
I bet in a few years from now If i give my kid Unreal ... or fallout , or Baldurs gate 2 .. he would say " What the fuck dad ? first ... directX 8 ? haha ... where are my GRAFICS ?! second ... Where is my health regeneration ... and what the fuck ?! that lizard with razors raped me in half a second and DARED TO DODGE my shots instead of stand still begging to be filled with lead" .
Or " jesus dad , This "RPG" says I cant do that ! what the hell ? RULES ?! haha what are those ... I'm too low level to be here ? what the hell does that mean ? I can be everywhere I want , Do anything ! I can finish the game in level 1 if i choose too.
and where is my Quest marker ? what the fuck does " go north east " mean ?! jesus you ancient fuck.
and while my first born son cried in horror screaming in tears THIS IS MADNESS , I would bitch slap him and say NO SON , THIS IS GAMING.
and then I would throw him off the cliff because he is unworthy , and commit seppuku.
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| Posted: Wed, 25th Aug 2010 11:14 Post subject: |
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You are fucked in the head if you think Mafia 2 is anything short of a masterpiece of video game storytelling. Play Stalker and tell me FPS suck. Play the Witcher and bitch about RPG's.
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| Posted: Wed, 25th Aug 2010 11:16 Post subject: |
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yea new games are shit look at some of the football (soccer) manager games from the 90s they were more complicated than the modern ones.... even the playstation ones
even racing games are doing it look at grid/dirt2 stupid crash and rewind time shit! soon the cars will just repair themselfs as you drive or car damage will only be visual.
mmo's are ruined since wow came out theres no sense of community anymore all the online communities have gone to shit for pretty much all games.
dont even get me started on how easy games are my 6 year old boy completed COD:WAW on his xbx360 with no guidance.
i dont think hes had a problem with many games really apart from some bits in batman AA he gets stuck on but for the most part hes done most of the game without help.
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| Posted: Wed, 25th Aug 2010 11:18 Post subject: |
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If you want a good racing game wait for Gran Turismo 5.
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| Posted: Wed, 25th Aug 2010 11:22 Post subject: |
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| sueil wrote: | | You are fucked in the head if you think Mafia 2 is anything short of a masterpiece of video game storytelling. Play Stalker and tell me FPS suck. Play the Witcher and bitch about RPG's. |
Son , If I needed "story telling" I would read a fucking book.
Short , easy , nothing to do , My "fun" standards are not limited to graphic whoring or cloths flapping in the wind with PhysX or APEX or how ever that is called.
STALKER ? tell me , Did it came to the consoles ? Thank you.
Witcher ? pfft ...
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| Posted: Wed, 25th Aug 2010 11:23 Post subject: |
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Racing games are limited to technology , Good simulations of car handling were impossible back in the day.
Racing games are invalid.
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| Posted: Wed, 25th Aug 2010 11:34 Post subject: |
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Being 29yo I remember playing games like lands of lore, dune 2, dune, syndicate, centurion, Crusader: No Remorse and No Regret, fallout, fallout 2, baldur's gate, planescape torment, and many many more. I guess we all played most of the same games. Hell, i even had a spectrum! 
Well, the time of a few guys sitting in their garage writing videogames is over. It's all about the money and the special effects, now.
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| Posted: Wed, 25th Aug 2010 11:35 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 25th Aug 2010 11:37 Post subject: |
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| Leishar wrote: | Being 29yo I remember playing games like lands of lore, dune 2, dune, syndicate, centurion, Crusader: No Remorse and No Regret, fallout, fallout 2, baldur's gate, planescape torment, and many many more. I guess we all played most of the same games. Hell, i even had a spectrum!
Well, the time of a few guys sitting in their garage writing videogames is over. It's all about the money and the special effects, now. |
I played them all Being 33 years old myself  Btw. Great list of classics 
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| Posted: Wed, 25th Aug 2010 11:54 Post subject: |
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| sueil wrote: | | You are fucked in the head if you think Mafia 2 is anything short of a masterpiece of video game storytelling. |
+1
Although i didnt like Stalker and The Witcher too much.
Not linear = not that good (for me)
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| Posted: Wed, 25th Aug 2010 12:19 Post subject: Re: State of play |
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| Diforce wrote: |
Mafia :
Epic. Freedom. Huge. Do what you want. not so easy. high replay value.
Mafia 2 :
Short. Small world ( 11 sq ft my ass ). Nothing to do beside main objectives. zero replay value ( I compare replay value to REAL replay value and not just wondering around like an idiot denying the game's end. ).
again , Basically A game set for the dump infected minds of today's whining facebook hugging twitter tweeting ruined youth that are capable of nothing , Consolized garbage.
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Are you sure we played the same game? Mafia 1- FREEDOM? Where? Do what you want? WHERE? You could do nothing, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING between missions. And Mafia 1 is my top game of all time, so it's not like I didn't like it, I loved it, but saying it has any "freedom" at all is bullshit.
And at your Mafia 2 description. Mafia 2 is nearly EXACT as Mafia 1, but you have MORE to do. You can rob shops, crash cars, sell cars, etc. Yes, there is little to do between objectives, JUST LIKE IN MAFIA 1. Zero replay value? Did Mafia had any besides a cool story? I replayed Mafia 1 12 or 13 times, but not because it had any replay value, it was because of an awesome story.
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| Posted: Wed, 25th Aug 2010 12:27 Post subject: |
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Well, I've played through half of Mafia II so far, and I can understand both sides of the reviewers and players (those who rate it above 8 and under). It's good, but by today's standards it does feel a bit "light" - the story is good, no doubt, but the gameplay elements are few and some minor things stick out, like some characters have somewhat poor voice-actin (none of the MAIN characters though) and some animations and general "flow" look pretty out of date.
Now, I somewhat agree with the OP, there are signs of effort-lacking in many games today, but at the same time, I can't help but feel that the overall quality of the games are a bit higher every year. I know that sounds kinda weird, but what I mean is for example the SP campaign in MW2. It's short, but it's well made - the devs could've made it longer no doubt, that is especially important for the people who don't play MP. Now, with MP the game is worth the money, despite no dedicated servers and so on. But for SP only? Of course not.
But, there are still companies out there that don't take easy shortcuts and who really tries to make a great game. And I think that Rockstar North is one of those companies.
GTA IV.
There are plenty of reasons why I think this game deserved it's high scores/reviews.
Rockstar created a believable, living, beautiful and breathing city, with impressive scale when considering the detail in the world and hardware limitations. Mafia II is completed within 10 hours, while GTA IV is atleast 30 hours for the normal player. And the story is great throughout, with amazing voice actors and dramatic, funny and most of all action-filled events throughout. And that would probably be enough, but then they add more, and more things to do, missions, mini-games and so on. And most of the extra things to do hold the same quality as the main storyline. Everything from the radio hosts to funny fake tv-commercials, to big firefights and car chases, it just feels so right and in-place. It of course also has the sense of freedom GTA is known for.
And then, they release two amazing expansions/DLC that are about 10 hours each, at a great price considering the playtime you get. One expansion is equal to the playtim of the main story in Mafia II, but then the DLC uses the existing city/assets so one can't compare them like that.
And yes, like every game, it has it's little bugs and rough edges, but considering the size, play time, content and features, it's very little IMO.
And just to make things clear - so far, I don't think Mafia II is a bad game, but I also don't feel it's a 9 or a 10/10 game, at all. I have to finish it first of course, but I've read enough about that gameplay-wise, I'm pretty certain it will continue the way it has been.
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| Posted: Wed, 25th Aug 2010 17:05 Post subject: Re: State of play |
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| Neon25 wrote: | | Diforce wrote: |
Mafia :
Epic. Freedom. Huge. Do what you want. not so easy. high replay value.
Mafia 2 :
Short. Small world ( 11 sq ft my ass ). Nothing to do beside main objectives. zero replay value ( I compare replay value to REAL replay value and not just wondering around like an idiot denying the game's end. ).
again , Basically A game set for the dump infected minds of today's whining facebook hugging twitter tweeting ruined youth that are capable of nothing , Consolized garbage.
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Are you sure we played the same game? Mafia 1- FREEDOM? Where? Do what you want? WHERE? You could do nothing, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING between missions. And Mafia 1 is my top game of all time, so it's not like I didn't like it, I loved it, but saying it has any "freedom" at all is bullshit.
And at your Mafia 2 description. Mafia 2 is nearly EXACT as Mafia 1, but you have MORE to do. You can rob shops, crash cars, sell cars, etc. Yes, there is little to do between objectives, JUST LIKE IN MAFIA 1. Zero replay value? Did Mafia had any besides a cool story? I replayed Mafia 1 12 or 13 times, but not because it had any replay value, it was because of an awesome story. |
Mafia 2 - 36 cars. Fail.
Mafia 1 - How many ? with all those unlocks special cars and free roaming extreme.
Pressing a button while near the counter and watching in-game cinematic is not "robbing stores" , Jesus today's standards are so low.
Stop with the "STORY" bullshit. If you read a book more then 2 times you are an idiot.
You play games for fun not for cinematic presentation .
Anything below chapter 5 is an utter joke , the entire prison time is a joke . I'm at chapter 7 and start to wonder will there be anything "more" then some thug "jobs" that a fucking 12 year old can do.
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| Posted: Wed, 25th Aug 2010 17:42 Post subject: Re: State of play |
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| Diforce wrote: | | Neon25 wrote: | | Diforce wrote: |
Mafia :
Epic. Freedom. Huge. Do what you want. not so easy. high replay value.
Mafia 2 :
Short. Small world ( 11 sq ft my ass ). Nothing to do beside main objectives. zero replay value ( I compare replay value to REAL replay value and not just wondering around like an idiot denying the game's end. ).
again , Basically A game set for the dump infected minds of today's whining facebook hugging twitter tweeting ruined youth that are capable of nothing , Consolized garbage.
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Are you sure we played the same game? Mafia 1- FREEDOM? Where? Do what you want? WHERE? You could do nothing, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING between missions. And Mafia 1 is my top game of all time, so it's not like I didn't like it, I loved it, but saying it has any "freedom" at all is bullshit.
And at your Mafia 2 description. Mafia 2 is nearly EXACT as Mafia 1, but you have MORE to do. You can rob shops, crash cars, sell cars, etc. Yes, there is little to do between objectives, JUST LIKE IN MAFIA 1. Zero replay value? Did Mafia had any besides a cool story? I replayed Mafia 1 12 or 13 times, but not because it had any replay value, it was because of an awesome story. |
Mafia 2 - 36 cars. Fail.
Mafia 1 - How many ? with all those unlocks special cars and free roaming extreme.
Pressing a button while near the counter and watching in-game cinematic is not "robbing stores" , Jesus today's standards are so low.
Stop with the "STORY" bullshit. If you read a book more then 2 times you are an idiot.
You play games for fun not for cinematic presentation .
Anything below chapter 5 is an utter joke , the entire prison time is a joke . I'm at chapter 7 and start to wonder will there be anything "more" then some thug "jobs" that a fucking 12 year old can do. |
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| Posted: Wed, 25th Aug 2010 17:52 Post subject: |
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I nominate this thread for NfoHump's official "Fail-Thread of the year".
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| Posted: Wed, 25th Aug 2010 18:31 Post subject: |
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And some1 called my "What Hack'n SLash?" thread a troll atempt.. o.O
Wtf is this...
An idiot for reading a book more then twice?
If some1 replay Fallout 1/2 more then twice are he an idiot to?
While i can agree on some things, but overall this thread is a joke.
Sure games are derped down today. But to deny that some of the new games actually are pretty good is just lame.
Mafia 2 is excellent. Just like Mafia was. Mafia was all about the story, nothing else.
Mafia 2 is all about the story.
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| Posted: Wed, 25th Aug 2010 18:42 Post subject: |
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..And I thought that it had been announced a new game called "State of Play"
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| Posted: Wed, 25th Aug 2010 18:45 Post subject: |
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some how ppl have gotten stuck on the mafia part....
i dont think that was the intetion with the thread. I do agree with Diforce quite a bit actully.I find that the quality of games has gone down. evrything is focused on graphics and Special effects, games arnt what they used to be anymore. and thats sad. i miss games like fallout, dungeon keeper, jagged alliance. UFO etc. those games just arnt anymore.
as someone mention earlier in the thread best game out the last 5 years is company of heros atleast for me.
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| Posted: Wed, 25th Aug 2010 21:02 Post subject: Re: State of play |
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| Diforce wrote: | Mafia 2 - 36 cars. Fail.
Mafia 1 - How many ? with all those unlocks special cars and free roaming extreme. |
Mafia 1- 51 normal cars, plus 19 from FRE.
Mafia 2- 55 normal cars, as seen here.
http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/3663/steamqy.jpg
The carcyclopedia doesn't have all the cars, just like in Mafia 1.
So theoretically Mafia 2 has more cars than its predecessor.
Even if you count the variations out, it's 45-50 cars.
And I have no idea how the number of cars is an argument for my previous questions.
| Quote: | | Pressing a button while near the counter and watching in-game cinematic is not "robbing stores" , Jesus today's standards are so low. |
You couldn't even do THAT in Mafia 1, so...
| Quote: | Stop with the "STORY" bullshit. If you read a book more then 2 times you are an idiot.
You play games for fun not for cinematic presentation . |
Now I know you're trolling, but still: then go play some fuckin' Saints Row 2 or GTA San Andreas. Mafia 2 is a novel-like game, with each chapter, each second unveiling a story for you. And I guess you found spraying shit on pedestrians in Saints Row 2 fun- to each his own I guess. 
| Quote: | | Anything below chapter 5 is an utter joke , the entire prison time is a joke . I'm at chapter 7 and start to wonder will there be anything "more" then some thug "jobs" that a fucking 12 year old can do. |
Indeed, attacking multiple mobsters with MG42 really seems like a job for 12 year old.
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| Posted: Wed, 25th Aug 2010 21:16 Post subject: Re: State of play |
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The guy made some valid points, especially this one, i keep complaining over and over and over
| Diforce wrote: | | All us old time hardcore gamers that grown on blood and tears rip apart today's games with zero effort |
I like a good story, but when the game bores me to death having no difficulty what so ever, i see no point in playing it. Games like stalker are the exception of course.
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| Posted: Wed, 25th Aug 2010 21:22 Post subject: |
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Thing is he is BASHIN story telling games. Just like BG, PST, Grim Fandango and so on.
Those games would have been SHIT without the story telling in them.
I agree that most of the games today are a walk in the park.
But atleast SOME games have a little more to tell and are a little harder than other games.
BUt that is still not enough it seems.
I want him to sit the fuck down and play trough The Witcher on hard mode.
THEN he can come back and tell me that The Witcher is easy and a shit game.
Until then.. GTFO!
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