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TripleDee
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 Posted: Wed, 22nd Sep 2010 03:39 Post subject: Need car advice - 2001 Honda Civic |
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So here's the story...
Yesterday my wife dropped off her Honda at a local repair shop that her family has used for years. She needed a tune-up, timing chain replaced, water pump replaced, oil change etc.. We picked up the car and drove it home stopping for gas on the way. This morning she left for work and immediately noticed the heater wasn't getting warm. a few minutes later the check engine light came on and immediately after she heard a metal on metal grinding noise and had to stop on the side of the freeway with black smoke billowing out of the engine. She had it towed back to the same shop so the guys could figure out what happened.
They're saying it must have been gunk built up on the cam shaft so it overheated.
My inclination is that they effed up the water pump and that's why it overheated. If it was the camshaft the heater would have been working fine before the break down.
Thoughts? Is this guy trying to dick us around?
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd Sep 2010 04:09 Post subject: |
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easiest solution?
Get it to another shop and let them take a look at it?
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TripleDee
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd Sep 2010 04:15 Post subject: |
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That's what I would have done but it's not my car.
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W123
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd Sep 2010 08:20 Post subject: |
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Did she try to start the heater immediately? Dumb question yes but who knows with chix... it takes a while for the engine to produce enough heat for the heater to work.
There's no way for crap to build up under the camshaft, and if it did it probably wouldn't overheat, it probably would run like crap with rough idling and low power. Dunno what the guy is smoking. Ask him for pictures of the cam or go in person and see whats up. You know mechanics like to screw with women.
If it was the water pump it might have been a defective part.. water pump could have seized and overheated the engine. You can't really screw up putting a water pump in, it either goes in or it doesn't. Maybe they tightened the belt down too tight, but if they did that it would take a long time for the pump to fuck up. The engine might be fine, because if the pump seizes, and since you only have 1 serpentine belt AFAIK with Hondas, the whole engine will seize. So if you fix the seized part, hopefully the engine will be ok... but it might mean bent valves and other damage.
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd Sep 2010 09:23 Post subject: |
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Yeah, gunk on the camshaft? Pure bullshit.
First off - what engine is it? If it's a sub-2L, it's either a D15, D16 or D17, and if it's a 2L, it's a K20.
But when you say THE camshaft and not ONE of the camshafts, im guessing it's a sub-2L D-series, since they're SOHC-engines.
I'm sure the fault is with the mechanics that did the tune-up, they must've done something wrong. Best bet is to talk to a shop with a GOOD reputation, especially a Honda mechanic.
A good tip is to sign up at Honda-tech.com and look for help.
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TripleDee
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd Sep 2010 17:01 Post subject: |
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I'll find out what specific engine it is.
She was on the road for ten minutes before the incident. Long enough that the heater would have been well warm by that point under normal conditions.
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deelix
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd Sep 2010 18:05 Post subject: |
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First off -
You should never need to replace a timing chain. Ever. (Unless it breaks, and the engine isn't even running)
Some Honda motor's have a timing *belt*, and that needs to be replaced along with the water pump at 100k miles. The chain? Never.
I can't say about anything else, but the minute you said that they replaced the chain a red flag went up.
If you meant belt - It sounds like they installed something wrong, and the camshaft shit itself because of this.
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TripleDee
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| Posted: Thu, 23rd Sep 2010 01:54 Post subject: |
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Yeah, meant the belt.
update: So the guy won't say what the cause was but has now volunteered to replace the engine on his dime.
So yeah, I'm guessing he decided it was their fault.
Thanks for the responses guys!
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deelix
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| Posted: Thu, 23rd Sep 2010 10:21 Post subject: |
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Most cars have belts, I wish I had a chain. My grandparents 01 corolla even got it .
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| Posted: Thu, 23rd Sep 2010 16:49 Post subject: |
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| deelix wrote: | | Most cars have belts, I wish I had a chain. My grandparents 01 corolla even got it . |
Only engine in a car I ever owned that was belt driven was my Honda.
I loved my Honda, and the engine - But making it belt driven was fucking nonsense. A component that important should not be belt driven.
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deelix
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| Posted: Thu, 23rd Sep 2010 20:31 Post subject: |
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yeah, wtf. Why isn't it standard. Such a fucking hassle to change it every x miles.
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| Posted: Thu, 23rd Sep 2010 22:26 Post subject: |
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As far as I know all current hondas have chains. Mine's still belt driven tho ('07 V6).
In the past the chains used to be noisier (not to mention more expensive), so belts kinda made sense.
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| Posted: Thu, 23rd Sep 2010 23:44 Post subject: |
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My Honda CRV 2002 (Based on Civic platform) does have a chain! .Yeepee!!
So, I NEVER have to replace the chain??!?!
http://www.samarins.com/reviews/cr-v02.html
"This engine doesn't have a timing belt; a long-lasting timing chain is used instead."
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| Posted: Fri, 24th Sep 2010 08:54 Post subject: |
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Well, saying that the chain NEVER has to be changed is the idea, but they CAN break (resulting in much more problems than just a broken chain though  ). But yeah, they aren't part of a standard tune-up/servicing.
And yes, since you have a 2002 CR-V, you have the timing-chain equipped K20A1 engine, the K20 being one of the best engines ever built 
Speaking of the K20, I used to own a Integra DC2 Type-R, with the K20A2 (from the EP3 Civic) swapped into it. Cams, intake, ECU/tune, header/exhaust etc, made 250 hp and revved to just over 9,000 RPMs  Had alot of chassis and handling upgrades aswell, sooo fucking fun to drive on tight roads.
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W123
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| Posted: Tue, 28th Sep 2010 03:05 Post subject: |
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You do sometimes have to replace a chain. After 200K+ miles they can start to stretch. You also sometimes need to replace the tensioners sometimes, depending on the design.
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