World’s First HDR Video Looks Incredible!!
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PostPosted: Sat, 11th Sep 2010 01:04    Post subject: World’s First HDR Video Looks Incredible!!
http://www.geekosystem.com/worlds-first-hdr-video/

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Soviet Montage Productions, a company in San Francisco that focuses on making short films, has produced the world’s first HDR video and it’s absolutely gorgeous.

Though high dynamic range imaging can be traced back to the 1800s, it is a relatively new trend in the imaging world, being featured in the new iOS 4.1 update for Apple products. Basically, HDR imaging takes an underexposed and overexposed version of a snapshot and combines them to form an extremely vivid end result, displaying a wider range of intensity levels captured in the picture.

In the video shot by Soviet Montage Productions, they used two Canon EOS 5D Mark II DSLR cameras to film the overexposed and underexposed scenes, claiming they were chosen because of their relative inexpensiveness. The sky and the segment featuring the person is particularly pretty, looking reminiscent of the graphical effects in 300. It says something that the first comparison that comes to mind for this particular way of filming reality is the special effects of a big budget movie.




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chiv




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PostPosted: Sat, 11th Sep 2010 02:14    Post subject:
it definately does look sexy, i like making hdr images using multiple exposures personally as well.

dunno if id want to see an entire movie in hdr though.. it does have a slightly unnatural look to it, so it would only be suitable in certain films (as you mentioned, 300 is a great example)... still beautiful, but i prefer it in still images to movies.... you can definately see during the sample with the guy in it, that it doesnt look good in motion if not done perfectly right - but opening sample looked great.


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PostPosted: Sat, 11th Sep 2010 02:38    Post subject:
Uhm, you guys know this has nothing to do with HDR, right? I mean, sure HDR is used to achieve the effect, but that's about it. HDR is about capturing a high dynamic range of light, in order to capture rich details in both dark and light scenes. What you guys seem to call "HDR image" or "HDR video" is merely taking that detail and crushing it to an LDR image, and creating that flat look that you see in the video, or indeed your so called "HDR images".

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You will never really see true HDR video, because first, the equipment required to support from very dark blacks to very bright whites is non-existent in consumer form, and second it's not practical - a shot of the sun will blind you. Laughing

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PostPosted: Sat, 11th Sep 2010 02:53    Post subject:
While I don't claim to understand what the fuck iNatan is saying above, I have to admit the video looks great. If i'm honest, the guy really stood out as the best big of the video - the first city scape was pretty impressive too.

Why has this not been done in the past? Surely it's as easy as filming 3D (aka two cameras?)


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PostPosted: Sat, 11th Sep 2010 03:03    Post subject:
Basically:

On our computer screen we have 8 bit for each channel... Making up to 255 shades of red, green and blue. Those colors mixed is what our display is capable of showing.

Real life on the other hand has practically infinite shades. So in the digital counter part you can only display a part of the shades (basically why the sun looks just plain white on most pics). In a real HDR image you can pan an chose which range of shades you want to see.


You might try to stay outside and take a picture of a cave. The cave will look pretty dark. Open up photoshop and try to make the inside of the cave visible. You won't succeed as the camera did not capture those details at the given exposure.

Now imagine that you take 4-5 pictures of the same scene with different exposure. If you combine them you'll have a high range of shades and you'll be able to brighten up the inner of the cave until you see something and darken the sky until you see the clouds.


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PostPosted: Sat, 11th Sep 2010 03:10    Post subject:
Right, but then you use the high range for a purpose. You use the dynamic range to display detail in a certain exposure (or, through interpolation techniques, at varying exposures).
If we had a monitor capable of displaying that huge range of luminosity, your eyes would be the ones needing to do the "photoshopping" for you, that is, they would need to adapt to darkness to notice the details in the cave, or adapt to lightness to see details outside of the cave.

Crushing the entire range into an LDR image seems pointless to me, not to mention that the effect makes everything look very flat and lacking in light details (that's what it is basically, removal/reduction of luminosity).
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PostPosted: Sat, 11th Sep 2010 03:54    Post subject:
PumpAction wrote:

Now imagine that you take 4-5 pictures of the same scene with different exposure. If you combine them you'll have a high range of shades and you'll be able to brighten up the inner of the cave until you see something and darken the sky until you see the clouds.


Heres an example. Take this picture.... (yes I know the sky is a bit borked, didn't have the metering set right for it, but I like how it turned out)

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merge different exposures of it..
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PostPosted: Sat, 11th Sep 2010 05:03    Post subject:
he knows how its achieved and whats the results are, he just doesnt agree that its an hdr image is all, and doesnt see the merit in them.

personally i think in many cases they look fantastic... the image above isnt a great example though because it looks too unnatural.. id pick the spoilered original over the hdr version personally...

but some of them look amazing and give a much better picture than just a single exposure.


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PostPosted: Sat, 11th Sep 2010 05:07    Post subject:
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Finally hdr video! lol wut

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PostPosted: Sat, 11th Sep 2010 06:18    Post subject:
chiv wrote:
he knows how its achieved and whats the results are, he just doesnt agree that its an hdr image is all, and doesnt see the merit in them.

personally i think in many cases they look fantastic... the image above isnt a great example though because it looks too unnatural.. id pick the spoilered original over the hdr version personally...

but some of them look amazing and give a much better picture than just a single exposure.


ya it was when I was still new to it. The sky's are completely blown out.


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PostPosted: Sat, 11th Sep 2010 07:41    Post subject:
Horrible. Looks like all new games. If theres anything I hate, it's this HDR shit. I hope someone kills HDR soon. DEATH TO HDR!


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PostPosted: Sat, 11th Sep 2010 07:44    Post subject:
I think we should just pull the plug on video games period lol, it ain't going anywhere except stupider


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PostPosted: Sat, 11th Sep 2010 08:11    Post subject:
looks awful.
wonder how ppl look with hdr on? like fuckin ghosts ! Confused
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PostPosted: Sat, 11th Sep 2010 08:18    Post subject:
when do we get HDR porn?
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PostPosted: Sat, 11th Sep 2010 09:49    Post subject:
skylines and wide shots of nature can look pretty neat and cool, but ppl look unnatural to me :\


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PostPosted: Sat, 11th Sep 2010 10:35    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Sat, 11th Sep 2010 12:42    Post subject:
I pratically don't know anything about this genre of stuff, but from the video all I can say is that it does look great when it comes to cityscapes/ landscapes while it looks meh when it involves real people Razz
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PostPosted: Sat, 11th Sep 2010 12:49    Post subject:
Yep, real people look really unrealistic. I didn't like it. Panoramic view was great though.
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PostPosted: Sat, 11th Sep 2010 12:57    Post subject:
Cityscapes seem to lend themselves best too HDR since there complex and have a lot of depth, you get a real sense of depth perception. This is obviously down to the fact there's theres a lot 'post processing' of the image in real time, if that makes any sense.

Any how, with the second shot, I think you tend to concentrate on the person more than the quality of the effect, it looks good, if a little jaggie, but some how 'super real' to the extent of looking unreal.

I've no idea what I'm talking about, guess I'm looking at it from a fairly non-technical view point.

With video games, I think Half Life 2 was one of the first with Lost Coast to introduce HDR. It looks great, although it does tend to pervade every game these days.
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PostPosted: Sat, 11th Sep 2010 13:04    Post subject:
SpykeZ, looks too saturated, here it is destaurated and little bit of fiddling with curves.

Agreed about the sky, blown out and nothing left.

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PostPosted: Sat, 11th Sep 2010 13:42    Post subject:
looks like a city from the future Cool Face


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PostPosted: Sat, 11th Sep 2010 14:09    Post subject:
Speaking of quality stuff - anyone got any 5760x1080 wallpapers laying about?


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PostPosted: Sat, 11th Sep 2010 15:11    Post subject:
I don't understand what all the fuss is about. Scratch Head
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PostPosted: Sat, 11th Sep 2010 15:30    Post subject:
Wow! Its like looking out the window, amazing.
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PostPosted: Sun, 12th Sep 2010 19:03    Post subject:
also known as the brown effect lol wut


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PostPosted: Sun, 12th Sep 2010 19:26    Post subject:
sometimes i love how Leo goes anal on graphic quality...


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PostPosted: Sun, 12th Sep 2010 19:41    Post subject:
No, I only explained what is the difference between a real HDR image and an LDR image with range crushed, often referred to "HDR photography" incorrectly. Wink
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PostPosted: Sun, 12th Sep 2010 20:14    Post subject:
then check any movie tread post and you will see "rAge" against quality


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PostPosted: Sun, 12th Sep 2010 20:30    Post subject:
95% of all HDR images look like shit, including this video.


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