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SirCez
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 Posted: Tue, 7th Dec 2010 18:58 Post subject: Humans are physically not suitable to eat meat. |
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I was reading about the benefits of being a vegetarian and came across this and found it interesting with all the examples and explanations given.
http://www.celestialhealing.net/physicalveg3.htm
Some highlights:
When you look at the comparison between herbivores and humans, we compare much more closely to herbivores than meat eating animals. Humans are clearly not designed to digest and ingest meat.
Meat-eaters: have claws
Herbivores: no claws
Humans: no claws
Meat-eaters: have no skin pores and perspire through the tongue
Herbivores: perspire through skin pores
Humans: perspire through skin pores
Meat-eaters: have sharp front teeth for tearing, with no flat molar teeth for grinding
Herbivores: no sharp front teeth, but flat rear molars for grinding
Humans: no sharp front teeth, but flat rear molars for grinding
Meat-eaters: have intestinal tract that is only 3 times their body length so that rapidly decaying meat can pass through quickly
Herbivores: have intestinal tract 10-12 times their body length.
Humans: have intestinal tract 10-12 times their body length.
Meat-eaters: have strong hydrochloric acid in stomach to digest meat
Herbivores: have stomach acid that is 20 times weaker than that of a meat-eater
Humans: have stomach acid that is 20 times weaker than that of a meat-eater
Meat-eaters: salivary glands in mouth not needed to pre-digest grains and fruits.
Herbivores: well-developed salivary glands which are necessary to pre-digest grains and fruits
Humans: well-developed salivary glands, which are necessary to pre-digest, grains and fruits
Meat-eaters: have acid saliva with no enzyme ptyalin to pre-digest grains
Herbivores: have alkaline saliva with ptyalin to pre-digest grains
Humans: have alkaline saliva with ptyalin to pre-digest grains
The final point I would like to make on how we as humans were not meant to eat meat is this. All omnivorous and carnivorous animals eat their meat raw. When a lion kills an herbivore for food, it tears right into the stomach area to eat the organs that are filled with blood (nutrients). While eating the stomach, liver, intestine, etc., the lion laps the blood in the process of eating the dead animals flesh. Even bears that are omnivores eat salmon raw. However, eating raw or bloody meat disgust us as humans. Therefore, we must cook it and season it to buffer the taste of flesh.
If a deer is burned in a forest fire, a carnivorous animal will NOT eat its flesh. Even circus lions have to be feed raw meat so that they will not starve to death. If humans were truly meant to eat meat, then we would eat all of our meat raw and bloody. The thought of eating such meat makes one’s stomach turn. This is my point on how we as humans are conditioned to believe that animal flesh is good for us and that we were meant to consume it for survival and health purposes. If we are true carnivores or omnivores, cooking our meat and seasoning it with salt, ketchup, or tabasco sauce would disguise and we as humans would refuse to eat our meat in this form.
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Saner
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| Posted: Tue, 7th Dec 2010 19:04 Post subject: |
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Meat tastes good, so I will eat meat.
I couldnt give a shit what some hedge monkey says to try and convince the world to not eat meat.
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I saw things like that in here and in other "woman problems" topics so...... Am I the only one that thinks some authorities needs to be alerted about Saner and him possibly being a rapist and/or kidnapper ? |
Saner is not being serious. Unless its the subject of Santa!
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Frant
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| Posted: Tue, 7th Dec 2010 19:05 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Even bears that are omnivores eat salmon raw. However, eating raw or bloody meat disgust us as humans. Therefore, we must cook it and season it to buffer the taste of flesh. |
What a silly argument.
As omnivores we have a balanced digestive system compared to carnivores that are specialised in digesting raw meat. Even today various ethnic groups eat raw meat and raw fish (inuits, asians etc.)
Go back and read about prehistoric man and follow the evolutionary path. Since we discovered fire we've cooked our meat (which makes it easier to digest), making us adapt to new conditions (which has always been the key for human survival and success).
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TripleDee
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| Posted: Tue, 7th Dec 2010 19:06 Post subject: |
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"Humans are classic examples of omnivores in all relevant anatomical traits. There is no basis in anatomy or physiology for the assumption that humans are pre-adapted to the vegetarian diet. For that reason, the best arguments in support of a meat-free diet remain ecological, ethical, and health concerns."
Seems you may have forgotten about omnivores. Just sayin.
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SirCez
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| Posted: Tue, 7th Dec 2010 19:08 Post subject: |
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History tells us different, and frankly that is all that really matters.
If you look at our primate relatives a good part of their diet is meat as well.
I'll keep eating meat because it is the cheapest way to get protein that tastes good.
As for the argument of humans not eating raw meat - Again, totally wrong. Many of the tribal cultures that still exsist eat raw flesh all the time. Even in modernized cultures we still eat raw meat. Be it high-grade beef, or raw fish. In fact, I love eating raw meat. It tastes WAY better then cooked stuff. Tataki is fucking amazing. Even if I cook it, I only cook it to the point of killing bacteria.
Seriously, that shit tastes amazing.
And no, we don't have claws or big sharp teeth. We have the ability to invent and use technology though. My hunting rifle is far more effective then any set of claws or teeth, and a sharp long stick is and was super effective back in the cave-man days.
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SirCez
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| Posted: Tue, 7th Dec 2010 19:10 Post subject: |
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All good except you wouldn't kill a sheep or chicken and eat it raw there and then, or would you?
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TripleDee
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TripleDee
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| Posted: Tue, 7th Dec 2010 19:12 Post subject: |
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| SirCez wrote: | | All good except you wouldn't kill a sheep or chicken and eat it raw there and then, or would you? |
Yes I would if I was hungry enough.
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| Posted: Tue, 7th Dec 2010 19:13 Post subject: |
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| SirCez wrote: | | All good except you wouldn't kill a sheep or chicken and eat it raw there and then, or would you? |
No, I wouldn't. Only because my culture says that is wrong, and I wouldn't think it to taste good. I grew up in Chicago, not the middle of Africa.
That doesn't at all support what you are arguing. That is totally a cultural thing, and nothing to do with if people are actually meant to eat meat or not.
I wouldn't eat raw insects either, but many other cultures do.
The bottom line is that the history of Man disagrees with you. The other closely related primates also show that they eat meat all the time, and they eat it raw.
It is commonly known that gorillas hunt other animals, and eat them raw entirely for the protein intake. They don't do this all the time, but when they need the protein they do it.
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Frant
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| Posted: Tue, 7th Dec 2010 19:14 Post subject: |
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Inuits eat raw seal for instance.
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
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| Posted: Tue, 7th Dec 2010 19:17 Post subject: |
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Meat is murder.
Sweet, delicious murder.
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| Posted: Tue, 7th Dec 2010 19:17 Post subject: |
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| Saner wrote: | Meat tastes good, so I will eat meat.
I couldnt give a shit what some hedge monkey says to try and convince the world to not eat meat. |
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Saner
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| Posted: Tue, 7th Dec 2010 19:18 Post subject: |
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| SirCez wrote: | | All good except you wouldn't kill a sheep or chicken and eat it raw there and then, or would you? |
Whilst I would argue that some cultures may do so, and if I were hungry enough then who knows. I will point out that human beings on the whole (I exclude people who are veggies / vegans of course) have developed this amazing thing called fire (we did it a few years ago) and with that it gives us the ability to cook food, something that animals you speak off have not worked out yet.
So using the raw / cooked argument is complete and utter shit (and besides as people have pointed out some meat is fine and tastes good raw)
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I saw things like that in here and in other "woman problems" topics so...... Am I the only one that thinks some authorities needs to be alerted about Saner and him possibly being a rapist and/or kidnapper ? |
Saner is not being serious. Unless its the subject of Santa!
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| Posted: Tue, 7th Dec 2010 19:19 Post subject: |
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If we were meant to be herbivores we would have 4 stomaches like cows have.
Learn a thing or two about thing called evolution and then come back 
Until that I'll go and eat my meat sandwich with cheese and lettuce 
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson | chiv wrote: | | thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found. |
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TripleDee
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| Posted: Tue, 7th Dec 2010 19:20 Post subject: |
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| Prefetian wrote: | | Saner wrote: | Meat tastes good, so I will eat meat.
I couldnt give a shit what some hedge monkey says to try and convince the world to not eat meat. |
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Not only that, but it is an issue of economics. Not eating meat, or being a straight up vegan is fucking expensive (At least here in the US). Meat and animal based products are just so much cheaper at the supermarket here. I'd have spend twice what I spend now to never eat meat again.
If they offered a choice, I probably wouldn't eat meat on a daily basis like I do. (I'd still eat it often enough though - Tastes fucking good.)
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SirCez
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| Posted: Tue, 7th Dec 2010 19:20 Post subject: |
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| Mchart wrote: | | SirCez wrote: | | All good except you wouldn't kill a sheep or chicken and eat it raw there and then, or would you? |
No, I wouldn't. Only because my culture says that is wrong, and I wouldn't think it to taste good. I grew up in Chicago, not the middle of Africa.
That doesn't at all support what you are arguing. That is totally a cultural thing, and nothing to do with if people are actually meant to eat meat or not. |
I, myself eat meat, I love my chicken & chips here in the UK, but I still think and believe that we, as humans are not designed to eat meat.
In the article raw meat is referenced as untouched or processed in anyway, but tell me what percent of the world would actually kill an animal and eat it there and then? That tiny percent can be seen as a deficit in the human population.
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helvete
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| Posted: Tue, 7th Dec 2010 19:21 Post subject: |
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Meat is murder.
Tasty, tasty murder.
REPOST
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| Posted: Tue, 7th Dec 2010 19:24 Post subject: |
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| SirCez wrote: | | Mchart wrote: | | SirCez wrote: | | All good except you wouldn't kill a sheep or chicken and eat it raw there and then, or would you? |
No, I wouldn't. Only because my culture says that is wrong, and I wouldn't think it to taste good. I grew up in Chicago, not the middle of Africa.
That doesn't at all support what you are arguing. That is totally a cultural thing, and nothing to do with if people are actually meant to eat meat or not. |
I, myself eat meat, I love my chicken & chips here in the UK, but I still think and believe that we, as humans are not designed to eat meat.
In the article raw meat is referenced as untouched or processed in anyway, but tell me what percent of the world would actually kill an animal and eat it there and then? That tiny percent can be seen as a deficit in the human population. |
Well you are wrong. The data, history, and examples from closely related species tells us that humans definatly evolved to have meat in our diet.
Is meat required now? No. Because we have developed the technology and know-how to get enough protein without meat. They didn't have shit like tofu, nor did they even have the protein-rich grains back then.
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SirCez
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| Posted: Tue, 7th Dec 2010 19:26 Post subject: |
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| Mchart wrote: | | SirCez wrote: | | Mchart wrote: |
No, I wouldn't. Only because my culture says that is wrong, and I wouldn't think it to taste good. I grew up in Chicago, not the middle of Africa.
That doesn't at all support what you are arguing. That is totally a cultural thing, and nothing to do with if people are actually meant to eat meat or not. |
I, myself eat meat, I love my chicken & chips here in the UK, but I still think and believe that we, as humans are not designed to eat meat.
In the article raw meat is referenced as untouched or processed in anyway, but tell me what percent of the world would actually kill an animal and eat it there and then? That tiny percent can be seen as a deficit in the human population. |
Well you are wrong. The data, history, and examples from closely related species tells us that humans definatly evolved to have meat in our diet.
Is meat required now? No. Because we have developed the technology and know-how to get enough protein without meat. They didn't have shit like tofu, nor did they even have the protein-rich grains back then. |
Or perhaps maybe evolved not to eat meat?
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Frant
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| Posted: Tue, 7th Dec 2010 19:26 Post subject: |
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| SirCez wrote: | | Mchart wrote: | | SirCez wrote: | | All good except you wouldn't kill a sheep or chicken and eat it raw there and then, or would you? |
No, I wouldn't. Only because my culture says that is wrong, and I wouldn't think it to taste good. I grew up in Chicago, not the middle of Africa.
That doesn't at all support what you are arguing. That is totally a cultural thing, and nothing to do with if people are actually meant to eat meat or not. |
I, myself eat meat, I love my chicken & chips here in the UK, but I still think and believe that we, as humans are not designed to eat meat.
In the article raw meat is referenced as untouched or processed in anyway, but tell me what percent of the world would actually kill an animal and eat it there and then? That tiny percent can be seen as a deficit in the human population. |
But that's not a valid argument. Mankind has for millennia had access to fire, discovered spices, used salt for an eternity, invented tons of ways to prepare meat, fish and fowl. We have developed taste, inventiveness and curiosity. We have shaped our own food culture. Animals don't have that luxury since their tools are claws, muscles, speed and certain instincts. They lack the intellectual capacity to think beyond getting a meal to quench the hunger. The tools of humanity are opposing thumbs, big brains with self awareness and the ability to invent and use tools.
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
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| Posted: Tue, 7th Dec 2010 19:31 Post subject: |
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| SirCez wrote: | | Mchart wrote: | | SirCez wrote: |
I, myself eat meat, I love my chicken & chips here in the UK, but I still think and believe that we, as humans are not designed to eat meat.
In the article raw meat is referenced as untouched or processed in anyway, but tell me what percent of the world would actually kill an animal and eat it there and then? That tiny percent can be seen as a deficit in the human population. |
Well you are wrong. The data, history, and examples from closely related species tells us that humans definatly evolved to have meat in our diet.
Is meat required now? No. Because we have developed the technology and know-how to get enough protein without meat. They didn't have shit like tofu, nor did they even have the protein-rich grains back then. |
Or perhaps maybe evolved not to eat meat? |
We still have the same stomachs, we still have the same teeth, and we still have the same need for certain food types. Technology has not impacted that area of our biology.
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| Posted: Tue, 7th Dec 2010 19:34 Post subject: |
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If you can digest it you can eat it.
/end thread
PS. the arguments given in the first post are beyond stupid.
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| Posted: Tue, 7th Dec 2010 19:38 Post subject: |
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tl;dr
If we were not to eat meat, we would have not evolved into who we are. Just another pathetic vegetarian propaganda.
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SirCez
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| Posted: Tue, 7th Dec 2010 19:45 Post subject: |
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| Mister_s wrote: | If you can digest it you can eat it.
/end thread
PS. the arguments given in the first post are beyond stupid. |
No, it's not that simple, sorry. I bet you can digest rats and cockroaches does that mean we should include them in our diets?
I AM NOT A VEGETARIAN. I JUST FOUND THE ARTICLE INTERESTING.
Meat tastes good, I love eating it but I think we are not designed to eat it.
And just because we CAN eat meat due to our superior intelligence and evolution, it doesn't mean we are SUPPOSED to!
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TripleDee
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| Posted: Tue, 7th Dec 2010 19:51 Post subject: |
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| SirCez wrote: | | Mister_s wrote: | If you can digest it you can eat it.
/end thread
PS. the arguments given in the first post are beyond stupid. |
No, it's not that simple, sorry. I bet you can digest rats and cockroaches does that mean we should include them in our diets?
I AM NOT A VEGETARIAN. I JUST FOUND THE ARTICLE INTERESTING.
Meat tastes good, I love eating it but I think we are not designed to eat it.
And just because we CAN eat meat due to our superior intelligence and evolution, it doesn't mean we are SUPPOSED to! |
Supposed to? Based on whos judgment? God? Mother Nature? You?
As I see it I am supposed to eat whatever I can to keep me alive, and throughout human history we've eaten everything you can imagine.
I eat pussy. Am I supposed to? Who cares?
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