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Werelds
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 Posted: Tue, 25th Jan 2011 15:43 Post subject: The GPU Discussion thread! |
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Figured I'd consolidate this into a single thread. Anyone looking to stir up shit towards either NVIDIA or AMD fans, please get the fuck out of my thread. Any claims made should also be backed up with some serious proof, from neutral sources.
I know this isn't a tech forum, and I lurk on other forums for that, but I wanna see if we can get a proper discussion going, without flaming left and right or fanboys from either side coming in pulling shit out of their asses 
Now, the 560 Ti and 6950 1GB both were released from NDA today, and while I can't check reviews in detail yet, going by what I've been told over the past week combined with glancing over a few reviews tells me (please do correct me if I'm wrong below) that the 560 is a pretty darn impressive improvement over the 460 again. The 6950 is more or less as fast as its 2GB brother, except at higher resolutions - just like expected.
Between them it seems to be too close to call, again. In TWIMTBP titles the 560 gets ahead, in most other cases the 6950? At higher resolutions the 6950 2GB beats both its smaller sibling and the 560. So basically it now boils down to 6950 vs 560 or 6970 vs 570 - with all of them priced similarly, and AMD being the first to drop a bit.
This should be fantastic, since we most likely won't see any new products until Q4, if at all this year - bring on the price wars!
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Aeon
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| Posted: Tue, 25th Jan 2011 16:35 Post subject: |
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The price will decide what card to buy. Both the 560 Ti and and 6950 have almost the same performance.
Reviews:
Benchmarkreviews
Guru3D
Toms Hardware
Anandtech
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Werelds
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| Posted: Tue, 25th Jan 2011 18:53 Post subject: |
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tonizito
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jan 2011 18:59 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jan 2011 20:15 Post subject: |
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They really should stop making the cards bigger and bigger. I thought these last two years "effeiciency" and "less power hog" were the most important aspects of GPU/CPU developing. Instead of adding and adding more transistors and shit, they should try to rework the architecture. The CPU scene got a total overhaul, it's time for GPUs.
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Werelds
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jan 2011 20:24 Post subject: |
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That's what they're both doing.
AMD would've had theirs out by now if 32nm hadn't been cancelled by TSMC, and NVIDIA is working on their next architecture for next year last I checked. Both will be on 28nm and should come around the same time - 28nm isn't production ready yet, and both will need to work out the kinks in the cable first, so expect a 4770 on both sides (AMD's first 40nm chip was the 4770, that's why their yield was so good with Cypress and Juniper especially).
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jan 2011 20:33 Post subject: |
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Going for a smaller die size doesn't interest me. Of course it's nice since cards get more and more powerful, but instead of adding raw power on top of raw power, they should try to advance the technology by adding smarter techniques, drastically bettering efficiency, drastically reducing heat etc etc. Especially nowadays, when PC only games become extremely rare, raw power is losing its meaning.
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Werelds
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jan 2011 22:58 Post subject: |
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No, AMD had planned a new architecture for 32nm, it's just moved to 28 now. Same goes for NVIDIA
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Feb 2011 19:20 Post subject: |
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Can I buy a graphics card which is twice as powerful as the HD4850 for under 125 euros? I don't want to get into reviews and such if this is not yet the case
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Werelds
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Feb 2011 22:36 Post subject: |
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No, you can't
Closest to twice as fast would be a 560/6950, and they're €200-230
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| Posted: Wed, 16th Feb 2011 09:57 Post subject: |
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TSMC has 28nm products in production for at least AMD, most likely NVIDIA as well. With a bit of luck there will be demos ready by Computex (early June), meaning we should see a new batch of videocards in Q3
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| Posted: Wed, 16th Feb 2011 12:10 Post subject: |
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So, we can expect HD7 and GTX6 at the end of year? In that case, I'll wait. Was aiming at buying a 580 myself ...
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| Posted: Wed, 16th Feb 2011 12:14 Post subject: |
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Well it's not officially confirmed yet, nor will it be for months to come, but that could be the case yeah
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| Posted: Wed, 16th Feb 2011 14:59 Post subject: |
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I wonder what would warrant any future GPU upgrades past the current gen cards... With consoles staying where they are for another couple of years, I think, there's hardly anything left to push the hardware forward.
The only future game that interests me in terms of performance is BF3 at the moment. Is there anything else of interest on the horizon?
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| Posted: Wed, 16th Feb 2011 15:05 Post subject: |
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Witcher 2 being the most favourable one, there are some games coming which should push the PC to its limits. Sure you won't need a powerful GPU anymore for dozens of games, but that's easily counterbalanced by the current price/performance ratio. While some 3-4 years ago hardcore GPUs were very pricey, now even a reasonably priced GPU is a monster.
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| Posted: Wed, 16th Feb 2011 15:08 Post subject: |
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For the near future, it's multi-monitor and 3D. 3D not so much yet, since there's only very limited hardware available and even more limited game support, but display spanning is a very viable technology. Many games work without problems, with console ports ( ) being the ones that cause issues most of the time.
With monitors also starting to become cheaper, it's getting much more interesting. Personally, I'm waiting for a good affordable monitor with a DP connection
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| Posted: Wed, 16th Feb 2011 15:55 Post subject: |
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| Paintface wrote: | | What is so good about DP that HDMI doesnt offer? |
Well the technology behind it makes it easier to get multiple DP on a single card, which is why AMD has so many DP and so few HDMI/DVI ports. Quality wise and such there's absolutely no difference (technically, DP is capable of incorporating other signals as well though, it *could* for example also be used to handle USB hubs in monitors, but we won't see that any time soon).
I could go into details, but basically DP is cheaper and easier to implement. For every HDMI/DVI port you need an extra clock generator (RAMDAC..sort of), with DP you don't (at least not as far as I know, I should really read the specs on both at some point). Also, HDMI has a license fee to it, which DP doesn't. That's why it'll most likely be used like AMD is using it now: 1 DVI as main output, a shared DVI/HDMI output and for extra connections it goes with DP
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd Feb 2011 10:29 Post subject: |
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How significant is an increase in GPU score from 6222 to something like 7022 in 3D Vantage? Everything high at 1440x900. I don't have any games installed, so I can't do any true benchies.
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd Feb 2011 10:34 Post subject: |
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Probably around 15% improvement in actual games; depending on the engine obviously
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| Posted: Thu, 24th Feb 2011 13:21 Post subject: |
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Some two or three weeks ago NV mentioned that we wouldn't be seeing 28nm working chips (final end-user solutions) this year. And now it seems AMD is following the same path as well. Spring 2012 (at the earliest) will probably be the period when we could witness the new HD7 series. Guess, TSMC will mostly be handling the whole load of producing chips again. Global Foundries is still on the background.
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wonder why DP isnt standard on every monitor today which again isnt a surprise considering how many LCDs i have encoutered with *shock* only a VGA input
