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Dunge
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 Posted: Wed, 29th Dec 2004 22:36 Post subject: Don't let EA buy UbiSoft! |
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EA is one of the biggest publisher of the gaming industry who already bough a few others smaller developers enterprise. In the previous years, lot of the games they released (except some major ones) were unfinished/unpolished, pushed to be released at a fixed date even if it were not finished, only to make more money.
Last week, EA bough 19.9% of UbiSoft capitals (action) which mean 18.4% of voting rights. The original formers of Ubi, the Guillemot familly, only have 17.5% of capitals...
If EA gain control, it will without doubt become the more powerfull game publishing company and will lower the quality of games, while making difficult for others small developers to create something good and selling it.
Current principal shareholders of UbiSoft (most have french names):
- Electronic Arts 20%
- Famille Guillemot 17,5%
- Caisse des dépôts et consignations (CDC) 6%
- Crédit lyonnais 5,42%
- Société générale 4,64%
- Oppenheimer Funds 2,49%
- CIC Gestion 2,05%
- Crédit agricole 1,74%
- Etoile gestion 1,65%
I know this topic don't really go in PC GAMES but I didn't really know where to put it...
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| Posted: Wed, 29th Dec 2004 22:44 Post subject: |
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who owns the remaining 40% then ?
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fisk
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| Posted: Wed, 29th Dec 2004 22:47 Post subject: |
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My ferret.
Yes, yes I'm back.
Somewhat.
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proddan
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| Posted: Wed, 29th Dec 2004 22:48 Post subject: |
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This thread is just stupid !! ho the fucks care if EA buys UBI we still gonna play the games.
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| Posted: Wed, 29th Dec 2004 22:56 Post subject: |
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it depends on how EA mange it. if EA invests official brands then i dont see how this can be a problem. but if EA manage the distribution and timelines then it can be bad. EA are getting a lot of abuse for nothing they do release quality games every year.
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| Posted: Wed, 29th Dec 2004 23:19 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 29th Dec 2004 23:28 Post subject: |
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"EA games, sell up everything!"
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nerrd
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| Posted: Wed, 29th Dec 2004 23:33 Post subject: |
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| proddan wrote: | | This thread is just stupid !! ho the fucks care if EA buys UBI we still gonna play the games. |
I care. And for very good reasons. From reading various testimonies of people whos companies got bought out by EA, you would understand that their (EA) busines practice and employee/employer relations are really fucked up. Working for EA is a sweat-shop situation. Many of talented artists/programers etc. work 12 hour shifts for 7 days a week way before the crunch time, without any raises or overtime (there is some stupid law that states that software companies dont have to pay overtime), not to mention NO comp time. All those software developers rely on comp time, its a very important part of that whole business. In turn many of those talented artists/programers turn away completly from creating games after working for EA. If they try to coplain the boses response is someting along the lines of "fuck off, dont like it then leave". And thats fucked up.
Another big problem with this situation is the fact that once EA buys out all the other companies the only game you and me are gonna be playing is [fill your favorite sports league] 2k6, or even worse another nfs underground.
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razor1394
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| Posted: Wed, 29th Dec 2004 23:35 Post subject: |
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And please EA don't buy DICE too as they seem to be doing now. It will become like Microsoft that are buying all smaller talented companies.
nerrd -> 7days a week? What! are you serious? That's very nasty. I would never handle that as I'm a lazy fuck.
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Dunge
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| Posted: Wed, 29th Dec 2004 23:57 Post subject: |
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| nerrd wrote: | | (there is some stupid law that states that software companies dont have to pay overtime) |
What? in the states? I would like to see a source for this...
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| Posted: Thu, 30th Dec 2004 00:11 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Thu, 30th Dec 2004 00:54 Post subject: |
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LOL
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| Posted: Thu, 30th Dec 2004 01:58 Post subject: |
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upstart_69
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| Posted: Thu, 30th Dec 2004 02:43 Post subject: |
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erm.... this is a 20% share not a takeoverbid 
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nerrd
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| Posted: Thu, 30th Dec 2004 03:30 Post subject: |
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| razor1394 wrote: |
nerrd -> 7days a week? What! are you serious? That's very nasty. I would never handle that as I'm a lazy fuck. |
Thats what I read. Its too much for me too, even if it means sitting in front of pc all day long.
hey FakeBitchKillah.inc! Where did u dig that anti-EA sig? Or do you have too much creative energy?
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MAD_MAX333
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| Posted: Thu, 30th Dec 2004 03:34 Post subject: |
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stop whinning you leechers, if you were so supportive of the the game companies you would have bought their games, you have therefore not as much right as the other legit gamers to bitch... and don't say you buy good games, if you leeches even a few games you done your share of leeching...
ea releases GOOD games, i liked most of their famous games and support them...
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Cheez-It
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| Posted: Thu, 30th Dec 2004 03:54 Post subject: |
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Stop whining. The ONLY reason you should be whining is because of the treatment of EA employees, however it is barely different than the MAJORITY of game publishers, EA employees just complain about it more....
"If EA gain control, it will without doubt become the more powerfull game publishing company and will lower the quality of games, while making difficult for others small developers to create something good and selling it. "
Firstly, Buying ONE more smaller company will NOT make much of a difference... How will this lower the quality of games? and how will this affect other small developers AT ALL. wow... it won't.
Anyways... This is a completely pointless thread, go do something useful.
PS most of the EA games I play are great. What are you talking about "unpolished, unfinished"? and please name some good ubisoft games.
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| Posted: Thu, 30th Dec 2004 04:53 Post subject: |
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| MAD_MAX333 wrote: | stop whinning you leechers, if you were so supportive of the the game companies you would have bought their games, you have therefore not as much right as the other legit gamers to bitch... and don't say you buy good games, if you leeches even a few games you done your share of leeching...
ea releases GOOD games, i liked most of their famous games and support them... |
aaahh give it a break, i leech my games, but it doesnt matter if i buy them, ea will buy other game companys either way and will have a cuople of hundred game companys producing nfl and fifa for the next 200 years SHIT GODDAMIT!! that SUCKS BIG TIME!!!!! i dont wanna fucking play basket all the time I WANT GOOD RTS I WANT GREAT FPS!! BUT MOST IMPORTANT EA MAKES CRAPPY GAMES MOST OF THE TIME! AND I WANT GOOD GAMES GODDAMIT!
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| Posted: Thu, 30th Dec 2004 05:06 Post subject: |
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| Cheez-It wrote: | Stop whining. The ONLY reason you should be whining is because of the treatment of EA employees, however it is barely different than the MAJORITY of game publishers, EA employees just complain about it more....
"If EA gain control, it will without doubt become the more powerfull game publishing company and will lower the quality of games, while making difficult for others small developers to create something good and selling it. "
Firstly, Buying ONE more smaller company will NOT make much of a difference... How will this lower the quality of games? and how will this affect other small developers AT ALL. wow... it won't.
Anyways... This is a completely pointless thread, go do something useful.
PS most of the EA games I play are great. What are you talking about "unpolished, unfinished"? and please name some good ubisoft games. |
first of all this isn't just ONE company. its one of my fav. devs and publishers. they have some quality titles out such as POP, farcry, beyond good and evil and splinter cell to name a few AND of course have brothers in arms lined up. And my only problem with EA is their time management. mostly with the sports titles. although a few are well done they're only updated bi-anually and they tend to favor good sellers over good games. |
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| Posted: Thu, 30th Dec 2004 05:14 Post subject: |
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| Cheez-It wrote: | Stop whining. The ONLY reason you should be whining is because of the treatment of EA employees, however it is barely different than the MAJORITY of game publishers, EA employees just complain about it more....
"If EA gain control, it will without doubt become the more powerfull game publishing company and will lower the quality of games, while making difficult for others small developers to create something good and selling it. "
Firstly, Buying ONE more smaller company will NOT make much of a difference... How will this lower the quality of games? and how will this affect other small developers AT ALL. wow... it won't.
Anyways... This is a completely pointless thread, go do something useful.
PS most of the EA games I play are great. What are you talking about "unpolished, unfinished"? and please name some good ubisoft games. |
Splinter Cell 1, 2, Prince of Persia TSOT, Farcry, Rainbow Six series, Ghost Recon series, Beyond Good and Evil (hoping for a sequel), Rayman series,, and what looks to be a great game Brothers in Arms.
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| Posted: Thu, 30th Dec 2004 05:18 Post subject: |
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mis-fit are u me just 8 minutes later?
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Cheez-It
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| Posted: Thu, 30th Dec 2004 05:53 Post subject: |
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haha damn shoulda thought of those *whacks his head*
but still, don't you think EA does a pretty good job with most games?
but yeah i guess if they take over it could be potentially bad for ubisoft
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nerrd
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| Posted: Thu, 30th Dec 2004 06:17 Post subject: |
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| Cheez-It wrote: |
Firstly, Buying ONE more smaller company will NOT make much of a difference... How will this lower the quality of games? and how will this affect other small developers AT ALL. wow... it won't.
Anyways... This is a completely pointless thread, go do something useful.
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It does make a difference. Most quality games are created inhouse by small (smaller the better) groups of people. Sometimes it starts only with one person. Let me give an example. LFS [ http://www.liveforspeed.net/ ],. From the begining the 3 guys that are making the game vowed not to get involved publishers/distubutors/etc. This gives them most artistic freedom. If u play racing games, or raced a car you will know that this product is simply the most realistc racing simulator available for pc. Another good exaple is IL-2 Sturmovik (WW2 Combat Flight Simulator) series. The first from the series Il-2 Sturmovik was and is the benchmark of all flight simulator and especially combat flight simulators. The second, Forgotten Battles addon, was dummed down for general public probably due to pressure from Ubisoft. Then came ACE and now Pacific expensions, which are not considerd a true flight sims anymore. Now the very person who started the series is leaving the whole fucking business behind, for abvious reasons.
I could give you many other examples like this, but this lesson is free so....
The point is that variety is good. You dont want it to get to point where there are only 4 big compnies making games, because no one can compete with their power=money. And If u dont understand that EA cares ONLY about the money, and doesnt give a fuck if the product is good then I will never change your mind.
MAD_MAX333... You watch what you say because as far as I know you dont realease shit or anything so you are as much of a leech as a 13 year old googling for warez. I take offense beacause I do support certain game companies, and thier quality products. And you throwing some angry bullshit in pisses me off.
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| Posted: Thu, 30th Dec 2004 06:31 Post subject: |
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If there was only just EA producing games then the gaming world would become very boring but I think thats the way the future will become. Its sickening the way EA treats its employees I cant understand why the US gov dont step in - Oh wait yes I do
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thudo
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| Posted: Thu, 30th Dec 2004 06:34 Post subject: |
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Amen Nerrd.. couldn't have said it better than myself!
Once small development houses, like small rock bands, get involved in BIG MONEY and large corporations then the creative juices, by and large, go out to the lowest common denominator. Seen it all before and it'll continue so long as society tolerates it OR a revolution/upheavel ubruptly changes everything. Hoping for the latter.. Everything we have built up is now not sustainable anymore unless a new civil paradigm is created.
Anyway, yeaa the gaming bizz is bad news now. Just about cash and not about the art. All about roping in as many people to play rather than targetting niche markets. About simplification but with no character. Duplication but no innovation. Risk Taking = no gaurantees for success. Since when does civilization ever progress without someone daring to be different? Enuff said..
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Cheez-It
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| Posted: Thu, 30th Dec 2004 06:52 Post subject: |
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You said it yourself nerrd... ubisoft is already a large company, so why complain? it's just useless banter.
Do you honestly think there will ever be a time when only large corporations exist? there will ALWAYS be upstart companies and programmers who haven't been blinded by money yet who will make quality games, in addition to this, the large game companies seem to make pretty good games to me... all you lunatics raving about the rome total war game, far cry, pretty much any big game is made by a big company, this is because they have the resources, man power, and so on to do a good job without going broke. Variety is good, but this specific post was completely useless as it was a giant company buying a large one, which will not cause any changes...
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| Posted: Thu, 30th Dec 2004 07:15 Post subject: |
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cheez its true...... maybe not so fast but it will soon become that. look at movies, there aren't half as many companies as i remembered as a kid. companies are merging and yet quality doesnt always get better. Take a less obvious product for example chewing gum. Now their are a few brans about and 9/10 of them are wrigley's. not everything can be cancelled down but it could go that way if we dont stop it soon enough.
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nerrd
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