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 Posted: Tue, 1st Mar 2011 08:08 Post subject: 2010 PC games revenue $16.2 bil, 20% increase from 2009 |
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PCGA's report: http://www.pcgamingalliance.org/imwp/download.asp?ContentID=19906
- In no region there was a decline in revenue compared to last year
- China is the largest and fastest growing PC market
- Asian companies are looking to expand their business to the rest of the world
- Brick and mortar stores are now considered an optional method of distribution. The primary is the use of digital distribution services.
- They estimate in 2014 the revenue from PC games will be $24 billion
(My) conclusion:
1) Steam-like services for AAA & indie games
2) Facebook/Flash games for casuals
3) F2P for Asian countries
are the trends of PC gaming.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Mar 2011 08:17 Post subject: |
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Not hard to make a revenue in PC gaming nowadays when the port of a game costs less than 10$ for the publisher...
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Mar 2011 08:30 Post subject: |
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| Namarie wrote: | But, the PC-gaming is dying!  |
Yeah, not dying, but changing. The most successful PC games are(?) (or going to be?) facebook games, WoW and Asian F2P games.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
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Gaming is dying, period. Fuck the sale numbers. If Halo and COD and WOW and SC2 and SC:C and DA2 are the ones pumping sales, we are in purgatory indeed. 
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Mar 2011 08:33 Post subject: |
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What's wrong with SC2? Other than mostly being a graphically updated version of SC1?
I am not playing strategy games so idk.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
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"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
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Well, after DoW1/CoH, Supreme Commander 1, even WC3, sorry but "going back to roots" of SC1 is the derpification, and that's my point.
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Mar 2011 09:47 Post subject: |
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| iNatan wrote: | | Well, after DoW1/CoH, Supreme Commander 1, even WC3, sorry but "going back to roots" of SC1 is the derpification, and that's my point. |
this is one of most retarded posts you ever made
every cnc failed, every red alert failed, sup com failed, heck dow2 was failure
all of you always cry about new games being shity remakes, but when one legend of a game gets remake which is similar to its original its a failure ?
if it were made by some indie company you would probably praise it, now cuz its blizzard you just have to join bandwagon ?
dont like game being similar? map making tool alone provides more content than any game out there.. then there is campaign which is nothing like old game
stupid hate just to hate really pisses me off
or you were trying to say that dow 2, sup2, are better than old ones.. maybe you just became derp yourself, since you love that word so much
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Mar 2011 09:57 Post subject: |
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| iNatan wrote: | | consolitis wrote: | | Other than mostly being a graphically updated version of SC1? |
This in itself doesn't bother you?
But I will not go into that again. We had enough arguing on the hump over SC2. I will just leave this here:
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I don't see what's wrong with the first picture. Can you enlighten me please?
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Mar 2011 10:00 Post subject: |
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| Smikis. wrote: | | iNatan wrote: | | Well, after DoW1/CoH, Supreme Commander 1, even WC3, sorry but "going back to roots" of SC1 is the derpification, and that's my point. |
this is one of most retarded posts you ever made
every cnc failed, every red alert failed, sup com failed, heck dow2 was failure
all of you always cry about new games being shity remakes, but when one legend of a game gets remake which is similar to its original its a failure ?
if it were made by some indie company you would probably praise it, now cuz its blizzard you just have to join bandwagon ?
dont like game being similar? map making tool alone provides more content than any game out there.. then there is campaign which is nothing like old game
stupid hate just to hate really pisses me off
or you were trying to say that dow 2, sup2, are better than old ones.. maybe you just became derp yourself, since you love that word so much |
I kinda agree with you on the double standards issue here, but to think CnC, DoW2, SC and CoH were failures is plain retarded
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Mar 2011 10:17 Post subject: |
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| BaronOfHell wrote: | | Smikis. wrote: | | iNatan wrote: | | Well, after DoW1/CoH, Supreme Commander 1, even WC3, sorry but "going back to roots" of SC1 is the derpification, and that's my point. |
this is one of most retarded posts you ever made
every cnc failed, every red alert failed, sup com failed, heck dow2 was failure
all of you always cry about new games being shity remakes, but when one legend of a game gets remake which is similar to its original its a failure ?
if it were made by some indie company you would probably praise it, now cuz its blizzard you just have to join bandwagon ?
dont like game being similar? map making tool alone provides more content than any game out there.. then there is campaign which is nothing like old game
stupid hate just to hate really pisses me off
or you were trying to say that dow 2, sup2, are better than old ones.. maybe you just became derp yourself, since you love that word so much |
I kinda agree with you on the double standards issue here, but to think CnC, DoW2, SC and CoH were failures is plain retarded |
i was talking about remakes
CNC remakes were failures, sup com2 was failure, coh doesnt even have remake, dow2 was nothing like first game, and it didnt sell any good , and i enjoyed first game much more, so as i said kinda of failure,
ra remakes were fails..
i was just making point that every remade game failed, compared to first part.. and sc2 got it right, dont fix whats not broken, there are enough changes to keep game fresh, while having same game feeling
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Mar 2011 10:27 Post subject: |
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| Smikis. wrote: | | BaronOfHell wrote: | | Smikis. wrote: |
this is one of most retarded posts you ever made
every cnc failed, every red alert failed, sup com failed, heck dow2 was failure
all of you always cry about new games being shity remakes, but when one legend of a game gets remake which is similar to its original its a failure ?
if it were made by some indie company you would probably praise it, now cuz its blizzard you just have to join bandwagon ?
dont like game being similar? map making tool alone provides more content than any game out there.. then there is campaign which is nothing like old game
stupid hate just to hate really pisses me off
or you were trying to say that dow 2, sup2, are better than old ones.. maybe you just became derp yourself, since you love that word so much |
I kinda agree with you on the double standards issue here, but to think CnC, DoW2, SC and CoH were failures is plain retarded |
i was talking about remakes
CNC remakes were failures, sup com2 was failure, coh doesnt even have remake, dow2 was nothing like first game, and it didnt sell any good , and i enjoyed first game much more, so as i said kinda of failure,
ra remakes were fails..
i was just making point that every remade game failed, compared to first part.. and sc2 got it right, dont fix whats not broken, there are enough changes to keep game fresh, while having same game feeling |
Right, but you can hardly call DoW2 a failure, with 2 expansions and a decent number of players online all the time. Also, IIRC it sold pretty well too.
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@Smikis.
 @ DOW2 not selling well. This is why Relic is creating more and more expansions for it, as well as map competitions and extra content after release, because the game failed. 
For me, DOW2 is a little different than strategy game (the SP part), that is why I didn't compare it directly with SC2. Almost like they aren't the same genre. If we compare game to game (as opposed to RTS to RTS), then it's obvious that the campaigns of DOW2 (2 + 1 I haven't played) are far superior than the cliche bullshit "story" that was in SC2. Ah, but the cutscene by Blizzard was good - so revolutionary. I also find the DOW2 SP style to be much truer to the tabletop games and suit the story much better. The campaigns are much better than DOW1+Exp.
No, SupCom 2 is not better than anything really. It's a console derp shit. Where did I claim SupCom 2 is any better? I mentioned SupCom1 specifically.
And to comment on CnC, let me get this out of the way. I hated the last one. It was horrible. And you know what? At least they tried something different, so I like it more than SC2. At least they tried to change something rather than stomp in the past and call it amazing. I rather have horrible than mediocre. Mediocre is the cancer of video gaming; horrible has its niche, good have their niche, but fucking mediocre - that's what the masses love and is usually the worst case scenario (case in point COD, Halo, etc.)
@Overlord123
In a 2010 game, units passing through each other, and you don't see anything wrong with it? Please refer to the third pic then.
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Mar 2011 12:20 Post subject: |
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| iNatan wrote: | | Well, after DoW1/CoH, Supreme Commander 1, even WC3, sorry but "going back to roots" of SC1 is the derpification, and that's my point. |
using my patented LeoTranS i decoded the message
"making a new game like SC2 on a new graphical engine with old rule sets even the same bugs is the derpification"
and yes it is , when you go on Blizzard forums you would see people , more like swarms of Koreans wanting those "features" from Starcraft 1 to be BACK IN the new game, like Unit Stacking or Clipping turned off on Units... people didn't understand only one thing those things where in the original game only to hide the fact Starcraft units have awful path finding ... no lets go into the future from 1998 to 2010 ... SC2 path finding is crap but it was left like that ,because users wanted to be like that, if thats not the derpification Leo talked about then your a derp too
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Mar 2011 12:20 Post subject: |
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| iNatan wrote: | @Smikis.
@ DOW2 not selling well. This is why Epic is creating more and more expansions for it, as well as map competitions and extra content after release, because the game failed. |
Hm....? 
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY |
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My head is splitting, I am sick  I made a mistake.
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Get the hell away from the hump then! It's known to cause cancer 
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Mar 2011 15:43 Post subject: Re: 2010 PC games revenue $16.2 bil, 20% increase from 2009 |
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| consolitis wrote: |
1) Steam-like services for AAA & indie games
2) Facebook/Flash games for casuals
3) F2P for Asian countries
are the trends of PC gaming. |
Steam sales have got me buying games again for the first time in over 10 years, and I've now slipped back to actually buying full price releases. The bad habit as returned. I know a few others in the same boat too so it's no doubt made a difference.
My wife spends money on facebook games for their tokens and what not *sigh*. She seems to have got addicted to that shit. Still spends less than me on games but. Lol.
In short, yes, I think you may have a point.
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Sounds pretty horrible.. Have you considered divorcing her?
Joking! 
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Mar 2011 15:47 Post subject: Re: 2010 PC games revenue $16.2 bil, 20% increase from 2009 |
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| consolitis wrote: |
(My) conclusion:
1) Steam-like services for AAA & indie games
2) Facebook/Flash games for casuals
3) F2P for Asian countries
are the trends of PC gaming. |
My opinion on the matter is quite clear, if PC gaming is going to become like this, I'd rather see it die. |
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Mar 2011 16:02 Post subject: |
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| iNatan wrote: | @Smikis.
@ DOW2 not selling well. This is why Relic is creating more and more expansions for it, as well as map competitions and extra content after release, because the game failed.
For me, DOW2 is a little different than strategy game (the SP part), that is why I didn't compare it directly with SC2. Almost like they aren't the same genre. If we compare game to game (as opposed to RTS to RTS), then it's obvious that the campaigns of DOW2 (2 + 1 I haven't played) are far superior than the cliche bullshit "story" that was in SC2. Ah, but the cutscene by Blizzard was good - so revolutionary. I also find the DOW2 SP style to be much truer to the tabletop games and suit the story much better. The campaigns are much better than DOW1+Exp.
No, SupCom 2 is not better than anything really. It's a console derp shit. Where did I claim SupCom 2 is any better? I mentioned SupCom1 specifically.
And to comment on CnC, let me get this out of the way. I hated the last one. It was horrible. And you know what? At least they tried something different, so I like it more than SC2. At least they tried to change something rather than stomp in the past and call it amazing. I rather have horrible than mediocre. Mediocre is the cancer of video gaming; horrible has its niche, good have their niche, but fucking mediocre - that's what the masses love and is usually the worst case scenario (case in point COD, Halo, etc.)
@Overlord123
In a 2010 game, units passing through each other, and you don't see anything wrong with it? Please refer to the third pic then. |
you really running out of things to say, first you say game is bad cuz its similar to first one, then you say its bad cuz warhammer have better lore, which makes no sense whatsoever.. warhammer have far bigger lore and universe, it was around for much longer too, its stupid to even compare
as for whole lore in games, lore=/=story , sc2 lore is far superior and easer to follow, dow2 really have no lore standpoint, it happen here and there, in some period of time, and its really pain in the ass to even get comprehension whats going on , if you aint big warhammer 40k follower, as for story , dow2 have good story,
it definitely isnt better than sc2 story, because it is simple yet good story, and sc2 story isnt something special either
as whole clipping issue, REALLY REALLY ? not to be a jerk, but since you talk like a jerk, ITS GAME BASED IN SPACE, YOU KNOW 2 buildings 50 meters tall, one hovers at 50m from ground, another at 150 from ground, both of them passes each other without collision, same goes for all the units, if you really want to get into such retarded facts,
you know its not full 3d since its top down game .. there is no ground units clipping ,
clipping =/= pathfinding, and sc2 have best pahtfinding in strategy games probably, your bellowed dow2 have constant forums complains about broken path finding
pathfinding=shortest and best way to travel around obstacle, not unit clipping or collision
half of those " bugs " you call are features players enjoy, and if i bother i could search this forum and find 200 posts by you complaining about old features removed or replaced, only " derpification" that can be called here is that THEY REMOVING them, not that they keep them in game..
halo isnt even pc game, cod isnt toping pc charts, and you just spout nonsense on every post you make, just to jump the bandwagon , how about you grow up and if you dont like dont post instead of spouting nonsense
or maybe sc2 is just too hard for you, and you enjoy dow2 cuz there is no buildings, no managment apart 1-5 squads, no real economy, just the mediacore consolisized shit
and if i were wrong dow2 multiplayer wouldnt feel dead, everytime you try to play it..
and yes dow2 singleplayer is awesome, but thats not only thing that makes the game.. where dow1 multiplayer was awesome, AND THAT GAME HAD WORST PATHFINDING EVER, i bet you wont even know why..
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You the one posting nonsense. I stated my opinion, you quoted me and replied about games I didn't even mention. Just like the nonsense you spewed now. I didn't compare lore, I compared the stories DOW2 and SC2 provide. That's it. How about you read before quoting me? I said the DOW2 gameplay suits the W40K lore better than DOW1 but this has nothing to do with SC2.
And of course, you saying there is no management or economy shows how ignorant you are of DOW2. Granted, I don't play it online, but I have played enough "private" games to know how important it is to micromanage each unit, and how each update is very important and makes the unit only suitable for one thing vs another. But no, SC2 is the bane of intelligence. Create 100 resource gatherers, send them to gather, build the same buildings over and over (memorize the order to build), create 200000 units (memorize the order of creation), send them to the other base, they die, make 10000000000 more rinse repeat. See? I can talk the same bullshit you do, only in my case it is correct 99% of the time, while you have not played even a bot match on easy in DOW2.
And to top your nonsense, I was comparing only SP in all my posts here in this thread.
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| iNatan wrote: | I can talk the same bullshit you do, only in my case it is correct 99% of the time, while you have not played even a bot match on easy in DOW2.
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you are correct? COME AGAIN you just admitted you didnt played either sc2 or dow2 multiplayer, and i played dow multiplayer since dow1, i played plenty of dow2
while ill agree my statement was bit silly, there is plenty to manage in dow2, its still much easer to get into than sc2 is, and i played plenty of dow2 games, you know what dow2 multiplayer is about
capping points with cheap units, getting counter units, and praying path finding wont make half of your squad die while attacking or retreating , there isnt much else
on lower lvls or smaller maps, its about spawning lots of units, and taking key positions and reacting to enemy counter attacks , thats about all you do,
i played dow2 multiplayer since beta, i played sc2 multiplayer since beta, and as i said couple weeks ago i didnt have sc2, well i have now, got it this weekend and still enjoying multiplayer and all custom maps far more than dow2 multiplayer
so dont spout bullshit like i didnt play either.. when infact it is you who didnt
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| iNatan wrote: | You the one posting nonsense. I stated my opinion, you quoted me and replied about games I didn't even mention. Just like the nonsense you spewed now. I didn't compare lore, I compared the stories DOW2 and SC2 provide. That's it. How about you read before quoting me? I said the DOW2 gameplay suits the W40K lore better than DOW1 but this has nothing to do with SC2.
And of course, you saying there is no management or economy shows how ignorant you are of DOW2. Granted, I don't play it online, but I have played enough "private" games to know how important it is to micromanage each unit, and how each update is very important and makes the unit only suitable for one thing vs another. But no, SC2 is the bane of intelligence. Create 100 resource gatherers, send them to gather, build the same buildings over and over (memorize the order to build), create 200000 units (memorize the order of creation), send them to the other base, they die, make 10000000000 more rinse repeat. See? I can talk the same bullshit you do, only in my case it is correct 99% of the time, while you have not played even a bot match on easy in DOW2.
And to top your nonsense, I was comparing only SP in all my posts here in this thread.
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Don't take this the wrong way (not trying to provoke you), but what recent or upcoming games do you like?
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While CoH innovated a lot (dow2, imho, didn't, it just slapped on the CoH mechanic) - I feel SC2 is way more complex. I'm not talking single-player, because for me, strategy games are not about single player. SC2's story was utterly cheesy, predictable and boring, no one is arguing against that, what sc2 is about, however, is the multiplayer.
It didn't innovate at all, and yet I think it's the best strategy game to come out in quite a while. Many unit compositions, solid base-building mechanics, very solid gameplay and spot on balancing.
Don't we always talk about, how great it would be if games of our youth got a graphics update, so we could play PS:T with the same rules and depth, but better graphics? Well, that's what Blizzard did with SC2.
Now, I really loathe almost anything blizzard does, they are the poster-boys for derpification on PC, thanks to WoW - but they did good with SC2.
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. SC2 also makes no secret of what it is and doesnt claim to be something else. Whilst the 
