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 Posted: Sat, 26th Mar 2011 21:39 Post subject: Just Cause boss comments on piracy |
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| Quote: | | Better PC games and a better relationship with hackers are the key to fighting piracy, according to Christofer Sundberg, the boss of Just Cause creators, Avalanche. Sundberg believes that common anti-piracy measures like DRM “punishes the people who have actually paid for the game,” and says that hiring hackers is a good way to discover new talent, admitting that “50 percent of the people that work for me come from a hacker background.” |
| Quote: | “But in Sweden the [hacking] scene was huge. We’re the home of the Pirate Bay, you know. As a studio, we’ve found that there’s definitely a lot of talent [in the hacking community].”
As well as tapping the know-how of the hacking community, Sundberg believes that better PC games will reduce levels of piracy, but admits that poor PC ports are a common problem. |
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| Posted: Sat, 26th Mar 2011 21:41 Post subject: |
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Heresy!
Piracy is theft, console ports are awesome and hackers are terrorists!
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typical jew comment
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| Posted: Sat, 26th Mar 2011 22:00 Post subject: |
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He's wise. Hackers must be embraced as potential friends, not maligned as mustache-twirling villains. Hackers aren't bad people, they're just intelligent guys (girls?) looking for an outlet for their creative and intellectual curiosity. If a few rules have to be broken, so be it.
DRM does shit-all but hurt legitimate customers and make game publishers look like laughable tools. How much does it cost to "secure" a game with DRM? And how is that a good investment?
| Sertorius wrote: | | Just be careful to your ass while surfing on the net and NOTHING will happen to you. |
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| Posted: Sat, 26th Mar 2011 22:46 Post subject: |
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Well said Just Cause boss 
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| Posted: Sat, 26th Mar 2011 23:19 Post subject: |
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"As well as tapping the know-how of the hacking community, Sundberg believes that better PC games will reduce levels of piracy, but admits that poor PC ports are a common problem."
Finally.
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| Posted: Sat, 26th Mar 2011 23:21 Post subject: |
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if this comes off as something new no one has thought of before he said it, then there really is no hope for PC gaming.
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| Posted: Sat, 26th Mar 2011 23:29 Post subject: |
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I guess when just cause 3 gets leaked, then they plenty of suspects to choose from
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chiv
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| Posted: Sat, 26th Mar 2011 23:38 Post subject: |
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hang on. how does tapping the know-how of the hacking community stop piracy?!
im all for understanding WHY pirates download games, but im not seeing the benefit in looking to HACKERS... unless your talking about finding better ways to STOP hacking, in the same way that companies hire hackers to help make themselves secure. but he also talks about DRM NOT being the way...
so i dont get what hes talking about... clarification plz
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| Posted: Sat, 26th Mar 2011 23:39 Post subject: |
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| chiv wrote: | hang on. how does tapping the know-how of the hacking community stop piracy?!
im all for understanding WHY pirates download games, but im not seeing the benefit in looking to HACKERS... unless your talking about finding better ways to STOP hacking, in the same way that companies hire hackers to help make themselves secure. but he also talks about DRM NOT being the way...
so i dont get what hes talking about... clarification plz |
since he was talking down on DRM i'm pretty sure he meant to reduce the scenes hacking capabilities.
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chiv
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| Posted: Sat, 26th Mar 2011 23:54 Post subject: |
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well thats just stupid. the only way that could happen is if hes using hacker knowledge to find ways to block hacking of protection methods.
and if thats the case, why is that anything to applaud? hes not removing drm, hes just using hackers to make it more impenetrable.
seems like a weird thing for people here to automatically applaud in a knee-jerk reaction just because someone didnt start a statement with 'piracy is evil'...
ill reserve my applause and appreciation for people in the industry that come to the conclusion that understanding piracy motivations is the best way forward... NOT guys like THIS who think the way forward is to take hacker knowledge just to make games harder to pirate...
atleast he realises that game quality is a factor to piracy, but meh.. thats a pretty minor revelation.. the guys gonna have to go deeper than that... and actually ACT on it, not just say the words.
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| Posted: Sat, 26th Mar 2011 23:59 Post subject: |
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What's with all the demands  you're squeezing the poor guy's balls and you don't even know him.
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| Posted: Sun, 27th Mar 2011 00:02 Post subject: |
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im sorry.. but i feel i have to point something out, the maker of the "just cause" games thinks he help make *good games*.... face-fuckin-palm
when there is no more room in hell, the D34D will walk the earth
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| Posted: Sun, 27th Mar 2011 00:02 Post subject: |
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what is there to understand about piracy really? some people are cheapasses and never buy games, and some buy only when there is something worth buying to support a great product or in Timechanges case get a awesome cover.
Im gonna reserve my applause til there is something worth applauding. And that means when things have changed, not any BS talk of change.
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| Posted: Sun, 27th Mar 2011 00:14 Post subject: |
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| D34Dite wrote: | | im sorry.. but i feel i have to point something out, the maker of the "just cause" games thinks he help make *good games*.... face-fuckin-palm |
I thought Just Cause 2 was good.
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| Posted: Sun, 27th Mar 2011 00:16 Post subject: |
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other than the voice acting and same scenes over and over when taking missions the game is solid.
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| Posted: Sun, 27th Mar 2011 00:25 Post subject: |
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Awesome game even Yantzee liked it, has proly the most impressive engine I've seen I'm imagining if a LOTR rpg could fit on one detailed map, it seems to have no real limits in terms of size and still get's all the details to look great.
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chiv
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| Posted: Sun, 27th Mar 2011 00:27 Post subject: |
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| kenny64 wrote: | what is there to understand about piracy really? some people are cheapasses and never buy games, and some buy only when there is something worth buying to support a great product or in Timechanges case get a awesome cover.
Im gonna reserve my applause til there is something worth applauding. And that means when things have changed, not any BS talk of change. |
quite a bit really.
some people pirate because games are too overpriced
some pirate because they feel theyre not getting their moneys worth (content held back for dlc, games designed to support a franchise rather than be a complete and solid experience, etc)
some people pirate for the ease... i mean i can download a game and not have to worry about popping a disc in every time i play, versus having to wait for an extra week, or even months, before the game comes on sale in my region
theres a lot to learn from piracy. its not just 'people are dicks, so fucking them over is the only way forward'... and its definately more complicated than 'make games more awesome and people will buy them'... |
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| Posted: Sun, 27th Mar 2011 00:37 Post subject: |
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You have some good points, but the solution to it all is quite simple. Stop the fucking day one DLCS and cutting content and hold it a few months and release it as "new" content, but the business is becoming more and more greedy and i hope it continues until they devour eachother. And ofc they can stop the god damn handholding in the games..... I don't get why it even started, did anyone ask for it? or did they just assume that now it's time to make games for retards and make the population adapt?
As for the prices, thats where my cheapass point comes in. Services such as Steam is ridiculously overpriced i can agree on that and i cannot fathom how anyone can buy stuff from that shitty service. Regular sites and retailers have ok prices imo. I see people whine now about prices when i myself here have to pay abour 10$ more for everything perhaps even more and i find the prices i pay totally acceptable, especially the prices you guys pay!
For those not wanting to have the disc in the drive there really isn't anything to do for them afaik, don't really like this internet activation thing.
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| Posted: Sun, 27th Mar 2011 01:48 Post subject: |
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| kenny64 wrote: | | You have some good points, but the solution to it all is quite simple. Stop the fucking day one DLCS and cutting content and hold it a few months and release it as "new" content, but the business is becoming more and more greedy and i hope it continues until they devour eachother. |
There was no DLC and stuff some years ago but there's no indication that piracy numbers were lower.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY |
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| Posted: Sun, 27th Mar 2011 01:53 Post subject: |
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that kinda brings me to my original point. Some people are buyers and some are cheapasses.
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| Posted: Sun, 27th Mar 2011 01:54 Post subject: |
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I don't disagree with that.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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| Posted: Sun, 27th Mar 2011 01:57 Post subject: |
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But i think also that times have changed. I see much more willingness to buy great titles now than before, but unfortunately now developers wants to shove down our throats these dumbed down games which tells you to crouch and jump each time it's required for progress etcetc.
I asked before, but got no answer. Did anyone ever ask for this shitty dumbed down stuff or did they just think thats what people want with really no clue whatsoever?
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| Posted: Sun, 27th Mar 2011 06:05 Post subject: |
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Just Cause 2 was a pretty decent game, but the controls, general feel and menus felt very consolish in my opinion. I bought it on Steam during the Holliday sales last Christmas. Although it was a decent game it fell just short of what I would pay full price for. It was obvious that JC2 was developed for consoles first and second.
Even a good console port is a bad one. The controls of a keyboard+mouse is too superior to waste on arcaic menu system developed for a console controller.
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| Posted: Sun, 27th Mar 2011 06:20 Post subject: |
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| Taffelost wrote: | Just Cause 2 was a pretty decent game, but the controls, general feel and menus felt very consolish in my opinion. I bought it on Steam during the Holliday sales last Christmas. Although it was a decent game it fell just short of what I would pay full price for. It was obvious that JC2 was developed for consoles first and second.
Even a good console port is a bad one. The controls of a keyboard+mouse is too superior to waste on arcaic menu system developed for a console controller. |
Well he says so himself:
| Quote: | | "I've always been of the opinion that we should design PC games for the PC players. PC players and console players are completely two different types of consumer. It's always unfair to not design the game for the consumer you're targeting. The PC version is always a second thought, like: 'Oh, and we need a PC version too.'" |
So roll on your facebook PC exclusive Avalanche because this is what you are thinking of.
| Quote: | | Everyone is just complaining about piracy on the PC, but when it comes to in-game DLC or social connectivity, the options on PC compared to console are endless. |
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY |
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| Posted: Sun, 27th Mar 2011 06:30 Post subject: |
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We need a total collapse of the oligopoly where a few massive corporations own and control the games industry. Only then can the market for developers that are interested in making good game reignite. The more consolidated the publishers got, the crappier gaming became. This is why new ideas only come from indie developers. Unfortunately indie developers simply hasn't got the resources to create full awesome games which takes 20+ staff 2-3 years to make.
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
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| Posted: Sun, 27th Mar 2011 06:46 Post subject: |
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That will never happen ...
And, we moved from 2d games + awesome gameplay to 3d games + awesome graphics. Basically the emphasis on kinekt, ps move and 3d vision just started, it will only get worse.
Edit: oh! and the non-gamers mentioned above dig it !
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| Posted: Sun, 27th Mar 2011 18:26 Post subject: |
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it is very possible to have more than 1 TV. I myself love playing on the couch, but i don't support any kind of dumbing down. I would actually bring my keyboard and mose to the couch and play it on the PC if it was possible for me here.
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