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PostPosted: Sat, 2nd Apr 2011 15:22    Post subject: MOTHERFUCKING OVERSCAN RADEON CATALYST
fucking piece of shit catalyst... everytime I update the driver, select a new resolution with new refresh rate, this fucking piece of shit always activates overscan, thus scaling down the image and making fonts unreadable and adding black bars around the screen.

Is there a way to permanently disable this "feature" forever and not just for one resolution/refresh rate at a time?

Windows 7 x64, cat 11.3 (just updated and still the same fuck), radeon 4850 here...

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PostPosted: Sat, 2nd Apr 2011 17:12    Post subject:
btw it seems as if this is only happening to ppl with their pc connected to their tv's Sad

(connected via dvi)

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PostPosted: Sat, 2nd Apr 2011 17:49    Post subject:
I've had plenty of problems with Catalyst related to TV on my laptop. Whenever I switch resolutions, for example, it decides the max refresh rate of my TV is 75Hz, not 60Hz, thus impossible to use the native resolution. I have to go, rescan the monitors to make it find the correct refresh rate - until the next time. Embarassed Now this was fine and dandy when I wasn't disconnecting the laptop from the TV, but I have two TVs, and that laptop was my HTPC.

But Frant will accuse me of trolling. Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2011 04:06    Post subject:
I don´t understand that this is suppose to be a problem still? Ive had this problem in the past, but it´s been fixed for nearly a year. Just today I updated my ATI drivers and still no problems. But yes this problem is really really lame.

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PostPosted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2011 04:23    Post subject:
Some say it's because of Win 7 x64... this CCC is a piece of shit, takes almost a minute to load and hogs up almost 200mb of ram. for a fucking simple application -_- and it doesn't even work properly

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PostPosted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2011 04:40    Post subject:
PumpAction wrote:
Some say it's because of Win 7 x64... this CCC is a piece of shit, takes almost a minute to load and hogs up almost 200mb of ram. for a fucking simple application -_- and it doesn't even work properly


A minute? Takes a second here. With my OCZ Vertex 2E 90GB. Cool Face

CCC is using .NET though, all according to Microsofts demands.

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PostPosted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2011 08:42    Post subject:
Frant wrote:
PumpAction wrote:
Some say it's because of Win 7 x64... this CCC is a piece of shit, takes almost a minute to load and hogs up almost 200mb of ram. for a fucking simple application -_- and it doesn't even work properly


A minute? Takes a second here. With my OCZ Vertex 2E 90GB. Cool Face

CCC is using .NET though, all according to Microsofts demands.


Same here...but i've never had any problem with CCC being slow to load.

shitloads of new stuff in my pc. Cant keep track of it all.
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PostPosted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2011 09:43    Post subject:
I have the same problem with my upgrade to ws monitor. Connected to PC via HDMI.

I've got win7 x86.

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PostPosted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2011 10:15    Post subject:
difm wrote:
I have the same problem with my upgrade to ws monitor. Connected to PC via HDMI.

I've got win7 x86.


Why not DVI?

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PostPosted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2011 10:17    Post subject:
christ what a rant lol. and leo to the instant response with hate of course Very Happy bloody turncoat Razz

regarding the overscan, it happens initially on install of new drivers or reinstalling them clean, start up a game after already setting the overscan on my HD panel and it reverts back to wrong scale.

just alt tab - go to ccc (btw 200mb hog and ages to load? nothing like that ever here) set scan size back to as it should and click apply, job done. back into game and its set right.. Ive not seen it not hold its settings after that.

Also are you using the fandangled testing ccc stuff? Ive only ever seen it go tits up with that installed.Im guessing its doing it constantly to you for you to loose the plot in a forum like so about it Very Happy

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PostPosted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2011 10:19    Post subject:
iNatan wrote:
I've had plenty of problems with Catalyst related to TV on my laptop. Whenever I switch resolutions, for example, it decides the max refresh rate of my TV is 75Hz, not 60Hz, thus impossible to use the native resolution. I have to go, rescan the monitors to make it find the correct refresh rate - until the next time. Embarassed Now this was fine and dandy when I wasn't disconnecting the laptop from the TV, but I have two TVs, and that laptop was my HTPC.

But Frant will accuse me of trolling. Laughing


Cool Face

I have no experience with using HDMI, TV's etc. so I can't really go one way or another with that.

Here's what I see in CCC though:



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PostPosted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2011 11:01    Post subject:
Frant wrote:
difm wrote:
I have the same problem with my upgrade to ws monitor. Connected to PC via HDMI.

I've got win7 x86.


Why not DVI?


Why not HDMI? Razz

When I can use HDMI, I'd rather use it instead of DVI.

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PostPosted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2011 11:21    Post subject:
@Frant My laptop didn't have HDMI, so it was through VGA - the source of ATI problems for years. Actually never had issues when connected the 4870X2 to the TV with HDMI. But VGA is too much for ATI/AMD and their awesome drivers derpartment. Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2011 11:33    Post subject:
My 4850 only has two DVI outputs, so I use a DVI 2 HDMI output.

And this option you are showing frant, is what is initially always set to 15%! This means that the image is shrunk by 15% and the rest is just black Sad Always have to go into this setting and set it back to 0%. And randomly(!!) when there is a resolution switch or a re-fresh of the display (for example when the windows uac is active, the overscan is set to 15% again Sad

My problem is that I want to set this thing to 0% ONE time and not each and every time I use another resolution.

Didn't have ANY problems like that on my 8800GTS Sad

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PostPosted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2011 11:41    Post subject:
Regarding memory I just looked at commit size, that is the wrong one? (combined MOM and CCC = 160MB)

btw my opera just uses 83 MB of RAM for 9 tabs including lots of pics Cool Face

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PostPosted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2011 12:27    Post subject:
PumpAction wrote:
Some say it's because of Win 7 x64... this CCC is a piece of shit, takes almost a minute to load and hogs up almost 200mb of ram. for a fucking simple application -_- and it doesn't even work properly

Did you turn off this shit:



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PostPosted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2011 12:31    Post subject:
PumpAction wrote:
My 4850 only has two DVI outputs, so I use a DVI 2 HDMI output.

And this option you are showing frant, is what is initially always set to 15%! This means that the image is shrunk by 15% and the rest is just black Sad Always have to go into this setting and set it back to 0%. And randomly(!!) when there is a resolution switch or a re-fresh of the display (for example when the windows uac is active, the overscan is set to 15% again Sad

My problem is that I want to set this thing to 0% ONE time and not each and every time I use another resolution.

Didn't have ANY problems like that on my 8800GTS Sad

Can't say I had this happen in my previous HTPC, but I did suffer with that one (X1250 XPRESS or whatever it was called, about 2 years ago) in terms of default resolution options. It would never list 1080p for the TV, only 1080i, so I had to create that resolution myself. Maybe that's an option? Should prevent any underscan or overscan, and as long as it's not a CLEAN installation, it should preserve that custom profile.
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PostPosted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2011 13:12    Post subject:
Maybe your CCC starts faster because you have it in your autostart? I kicked that thing from there so that it does hog up less memory. (still made no difference with overscan Sad)

And my TV is being properly recognized. But in homefront f.e. I HAD to play in 1280x720 because in 1920x1080 no matter what, I had overscan! I switched my desktop to 24Hz, 50Hz, 59Hz, 60Hz, 61Hz and set overscan to 0% on all of them, still no luck. And I didn't find any option in homefront to fix the refresh rate. (I found some settings for the Unreal Engine 3 in general, put them into the config files, but no luck either Sad)

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PostPosted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2011 13:16    Post subject:
Like Werelds said, create your own resolution?

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PostPosted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2011 13:23    Post subject:
Where? It was a piece of cake in the nvidia drivers but the CCC doesn't offer me a proper tool for this :/

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PostPosted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2011 13:38    Post subject:
Your problem are most likely NOT caused by CCC but by your TV's EDID-profile (quite common).

You can use MonInfo to extract, check and create your own profiles: http://www.entechtaiwan.com/util/moninfo.shtm

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PostPosted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2011 13:40    Post subject:
The wonders of ATI drivers! Cool Face

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PostPosted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2011 13:43    Post subject:
Frant wrote:


I can only add HD TV formats, no sub HD formats and I can't directly add the refresh rate and force it to have 0 overscan. Why is it the fault of my TV when the 8800GTS didn't have any problems at all? Sad I'll try your tool, thx!

@Leo: Could I use Rivatuner too? Never used PowerStrip I think :/

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PostPosted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2011 13:46    Post subject:
Code:

Monitor Asset Manager Report, generated 03.04.2011
Copyright (c) 1995-2011, EnTech Taiwan.
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Monitor #1 [Real-time 0x0041]
  Model name............... LG TV
  Manufacturer............. LGE
  Plug and Play ID......... GSM0001
  Serial number............ n/a
  Manufacture date......... 2010, ISO week 1
  -------------------------
  EDID revision............ 1.3
  Input signal type........ Digital
  Color bit depth.......... Undefined
  Display type............. RGB color
  Screen size.............. 160 x 90 mm (7,2 in)
  Power management......... Not supported
  Extension blocs.......... 1 (CEA-EXT)
  -------------------------
  DDC/CI................... Not supported

Color characteristics
  Default color space...... Non-sRGB
  Display gamma............ 2,20
  Red chromaticity......... Rx 0,640 - Ry 0,330
  Green chromaticity....... Gx 0,300 - Gy 0,600
  Blue chromaticity........ Bx 0,150 - By 0,060
  White point (default).... Wx 0,313 - Wy 0,329
  Additional descriptors... None

Timing characteristics
  Horizontal scan range.... 30-83kHz
  Vertical scan range...... 58-62Hz
  Video bandwidth.......... 160MHz
  CVT standard............. Not supported
  GTF standard............. Not supported
  Additional descriptors... None
  Preferred timing......... Yes
  Native/preferred timing.. 1920x1080p at 60Hz (16:9)
    Modeline............... "1920x1080" 148,500 1920 2008 2052 2200 1080 1084 1089 1125 +hsync +vsync
  Detailed timing #1....... 1280x720p at 60Hz (16:9)
    Modeline............... "1280x720" 74,250 1280 1390 1430 1650 720 725 730 750 +hsync +vsync

Standard timings supported
     720 x  400p at  70Hz - IBM VGA
     640 x  480p at  60Hz - IBM VGA
     800 x  600p at  60Hz - VESA
    1024 x  768p at  60Hz - VESA
    1152 x  864p at  75Hz - VESA STD
    1280 x 1024p at  60Hz - VESA STD

EIA/CEA-861 Information
  Revision number.......... 3
  IT underscan............. Supported
  Basic audio.............. Supported
  YCbCr 4:4:4.............. Supported
  YCbCr 4:2:2.............. Supported
  Native formats........... 1
  Detailed timing #1....... 1920x1080i at 60Hz (16:9)
    Modeline............... "1920x1080" 74,250 1920 2008 2052 2200 1080 1084 1094 1124 interlace +hsync +vsync
  Detailed timing #2....... 1280x720p at 61Hz (16:9)
    Modeline............... "1280x720" 74,250 1280 1344 1472 1664 720 723 728 732 +hsync +vsync
  Detailed timing #3....... 1920x1080p at 60Hz (16:9)
    Modeline............... "1920x1080" 148,500 1920 2008 2052 2200 1080 1084 1089 1125 +hsync +vsync
  Detailed timing #4....... 1360x768p at 60Hz (16:9)
    Modeline............... "1360x768" 85,500 1360 1424 1536 1792 768 771 777 795 +hsync +vsync

CE video identifiers (VICs) - timing/formats supported
    1920 x 1080p at  60Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1)
    1920 x 1080p at  50Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1)
    1280 x  720p at  60Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1) [Native]
    1280 x  720p at  50Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1)
    1920 x 1080i at  60Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1)
    1920 x 1080i at  50Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1)
     720 x  480p at  60Hz - EDTV (16:9, 32:27)
     720 x  480p at  60Hz - EDTV (4:3, 8:9)
     720 x  576p at  50Hz - EDTV (16:9, 64:45)
    1920 x 1080p at  24Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1)
    1920 x 1080p at  25Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1)
    1920 x 1080p at  30Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1)
     720 x  576i at  50Hz - Doublescan (4:3, 16:15)
     640 x  480p at  60Hz - Default (4:3, 1:1)
    NB: NTSC refresh rate = (Hz*1000)/1001

CE audio data (formats supported)
  AC-3    6-channel,  640k max. bit rate at 32/44/48 kHz
  LPCM    2-channel, 16/20/24 bit depths at 32/44/48/96/192 kHz

CE vendor specific data (VSDB)
  IEEE registration number. 0x000C03
  CEC physical address..... 1.0.0.0
  Supports AI (ACP, ISRC).. Yes
  Supports 48bpp........... No
  Supports 36bpp........... Yes
  Supports 30bpp........... Yes
  Supports YCbCr 4:4:4..... Yes
  Supports dual-link DVI... No
  Maximum TMDS clock....... 225MHz

CE colorimetry data
  xvYCC709 support......... Yes
  xvYCC601 support......... Yes
  sYCC601 support.......... No
  AdobeYCC601 support...... No
  AdobeRGB support......... No
  Metadata profile flags... 0x01

Report information
  Date generated........... 03.04.2011
  Software revision........ 2.59.0.934
  Data source.............. Real-time 0x0041
  Operating system......... 6.1.7601.2.Service Pack 1

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PostPosted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2011 14:39    Post subject:
@PumpAction Maybe, not sure. PowerStrip gives a lot of powerful tools which might be useful.
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PostPosted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2011 15:59    Post subject:
Looks like an HD-Ready TV Pumpy? That'll be your problem. That EDID report looks weird to me; native resolution is 720p as well according to that. Unfortunately for you, ATI respects that information to its finest. Before I got a Full-HD TV I had an HD-ready one as well, and I had the same shit you're having. And just for the record, for the haters: that happened with NVIDIA just the same on that TV. Highest I could get it was 720p; 1080i would be boxed on ATI, and on NVIDIA the image would be very unsteady (wobbly lines if that makes sense Razz). 1080p would just fail gloriously on both sides Smile

Anyway, in that HDTV support panel, tick 720p and 1080p (at both 50 and 60), and you should be able to force them. 720p is what you used for Homefront anyway.
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PostPosted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2011 17:34    Post subject:
ccc and mom ram use btw pumpy = 20mb here...
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PostPosted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2011 19:34    Post subject:
1080p is the native resolution
"Native/preferred timing.. 1920x1080p at 60Hz (16:9)"

And Crysis 2 etc is on 1080p too. No problems there. But after reinstalling the CATALYST I had to ALT TAB out of the game and set to 0% overscan...

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PostPosted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2011 19:46    Post subject:
PumpAction wrote:
1080p is the native resolution
"Native/preferred timing.. 1920x1080p at 60Hz (16:9)"

Yet in the list below 720p is marked as native. Hence my question whether it's an HD-Ready TV, as some of them support 1080i/p partially (i.e. only with one specific refresh rate or such).
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