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Przepraszam
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 Posted: Fri, 13th May 2011 04:50 Post subject: |
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Yamaha/Denon receiver + Polk speakers is way to go...
Check out slickdeals..plenty of deals to save you money on receivers and all kind of speakers.
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| Posted: Fri, 13th May 2011 04:56 Post subject: |
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hehe ya I never heard of Polk oddly enough. The guy at the place I went to really knew his shit. Showed me the difference in materials used for the cone and shit. I'm not the biggest audio nut to know all the little details so it was nice having someone who really knew what he was selling. Showed me different Polk speakers and damn were they nice.
I'll def check out slickdeals..thanks.
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Przepraszam
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| Posted: Sat, 14th May 2011 06:29 Post subject: |
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That's so true!
Some of the deals posted there are pretty epic...I buy something that I find on slickdeals every week
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| Posted: Sat, 14th May 2011 08:41 Post subject: |
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| velum wrote: | haha yeah I avoid that site when i'm low on money. I just got a western digital 500gb external drive with dock for 43 bucks and free shipping.  |
not too bad actually depending on what the dock is worth. You can get western digitals 1TB for like 50 bucks now.
And wouldn't you know it...
http://www.sounddistributors.com/buynow.asp?action=detail&prid=632&crid=267
those retail for about 400 around here. I got to demo them the other night and sounded pretty good. I'm debating hard at getting these or building my setup with buying separate speakers, which is going to get costly if I do. |
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| Posted: Sat, 14th May 2011 08:54 Post subject: |
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Just gonna mention something I think I have mentioned a few times before, in case you are unaware: for surround PC gaming using receiver, you will need an output that supports multi-channel PCM. S/PDIF connections (optical or coaxial) only support stereo, unless it's encoded in DTS or Dolby (and games are not, most of the time).
Your options are:
- A GPU with a HDMI output - you should check the specs if it supports multi-channel PCM, but ATI's series 5000-6000 definitely do (that is my current setup).
- A sound card with HDMI that supports multi-channel PCM.
- A sound card that has either Dolby Digital Live, or DTS Connect feature, that encode PCM to Dolby or DTS in real time, so the receiver can get surround in games via S/PDIF.
For anything else besides gaming a usual S/PDIF connection will do.
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| Posted: Sat, 14th May 2011 09:06 Post subject: |
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Oh I looked into it but thanks for mentioning it. I have a 5850 and am going to use HDMI from card to reciever. Did some reading and seems to be the best route  I did read that having a separate connection for each line was the best (I forgot the name of it) but was a mess and didn't support something or other.
None the less it'll be done with HDMI lol.
By the way, I'll be using my pop's speakers he has which are nice but the sub got fried from a power surge. SO, I wont' have a sub. Question is will I be able to somehow ghetto setup the sub from my Logitech G51 to work while the rest of the audio is going through the receiver?
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| Posted: Sat, 14th May 2011 10:46 Post subject: |
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Unless you can find a way to connect that sub to the receiver, I don't think it's possible to use it separately.
From the PC side, Windows only allows one audio device at a time - meaning you will need to switch between the ATI HDMI and your sound card. So it's gonna be the receiver or PC speakers - not both.
I used my PC speakers to make use of their sub along with my TV before - but that is another issue, since both TV and the speakers were the same device as far as PC was concerned. This could work with a receiver if there is a way to use the analog outputs of your sound card to connect it. This is probably what you meant by separate connection to each line, but it's not actually better than HDMI way, I'd say... and quite messier as well. My receiver doesn't even have enough connections for that, I think.
From the receiver's side, as far as I know, it's not really possible to connect that sub to a receiver in such a way that it will work by itself with the receiver's speakers... at least not in a way that would be practical. It should be possible to connect the PC speakers as a whole (depending on your outputs you might only be limited to stereo), but then you will still be switching between the inputs - PC speakers or receiver's speakers.
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| Posted: Wed, 18th May 2011 07:46 Post subject: |
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You sure Win 7 only allows 1 audio? Buuuut it allows dual video drivers!! FFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUU
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| Posted: Wed, 18th May 2011 16:53 Post subject: |
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It's kinda different. It's not 2 drivers - it's two devices. One is the audio chip on the GPU, the other is your soundcard (onboard or whatever it is you use for your current speakers). So you choose the default playback device, which is just a click of a button, but you can't use two different ones at the same time (as far as I know, you can't output the image on 2 different GPUs with different drivers at the same time either ).
The same applies to the optical out and the usual analog outputs, by the way, even though they are on the same chip (well, at least my onboard Realtek considers them as 2 separate devices). So that won't work either.
Ironically, if I am not mistaken, it is XP that actually allowed to use two audio devices at the same time. It stopped being possible since Vista
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Nui
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| Posted: Wed, 18th May 2011 17:37 Post subject: |
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| MinderMast wrote: | | So you choose the default playback device, which is just a click of a button, but you can't use two different ones at the same time |
I just tested it. I now have foobar playing over HDMI with WASAPI even and MPC-HC over my onboard analog output.
Is this what SpykeZ would need?
But simultaneous output via two different cards with only 1 source could be trickier, since the program would need explicit support for that i think.
edit
With win 7 x64 I forgot to add ...
Last edited by Nui on Wed, 18th May 2011 18:13; edited 1 time in total
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| Posted: Wed, 18th May 2011 18:13 Post subject: |
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Indeed, tried it myself now as well. If the player allows explicit selection of the playback device, then you can have it play through a device different from the OS default, and have another player play at the same time from another device. It's a bit glitchy with the switching, but it works.
Still, the main restriction remains - one device per source. So you can't use this to, say, watch a movie with all speakers utilised.
Unless you launch two players with the same movie that is. It's gonna be messy with the syncing especially on pauses and seeking, but it could work as a temporary measure, if you really want it
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| Posted: Wed, 18th May 2011 19:36 Post subject: |
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Thanks for testing. Guess ill have to go without a sub for a lil while...oh well, should still get decent bass through the normal speakers.
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| Posted: Fri, 20th May 2011 03:24 Post subject: |
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So just got my yamaha 467 hooked up via HDMI and am running it through my 5850 but in the sound properties to set it as default sound device is saying it's not plugged in. I rechecked both ends of the HDMI and they're plugged in.
Any ideas?
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| Posted: Fri, 20th May 2011 04:05 Post subject: |
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Well this is stupid as fuck. I got the audio to work. But how it was done is stupid and still doesn't work properly. Apparently windows 7 is seeing my receiver as a fucking display unit and if I extend my desktop to it detects it and I get audio, but then I lose my 2nd monitor.
Any ideas?
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| Posted: Fri, 20th May 2011 07:04 Post subject: |
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Well, extending the desktop is necessary to use the receiver (when using GPU's HDMI). Since Ati cards only support more than two screens if use the Display Port for one of them, you will be forced to switch between them like that. I had the same issue to work out before I bought my receiver.
Right now I do use 2 screens and a receiver. My other screen is an HDTV, so I just pass the HDMI through the receiver to the TV (pretty much how receivers are supposed to work - take all the inputs, pass through to one output).
If you don't have an HDMI input on neither of your screens, a HDMI-DVI cable could work I suppose. I have one, so I could check into that later.
An optical connection from the soundcard is another solution, but as was mentioned earlier, it imposes certain limits.
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deelix
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| Posted: Fri, 20th May 2011 07:40 Post subject: |
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| deelix wrote: | Denon is epic, but so is the price  |
so is yamaha 
So would it be better if I just used an optical out from my motherboard into the receiver? however that works lol. |
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| Posted: Fri, 20th May 2011 08:07 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Fri, 20th May 2011 08:40 Post subject: |
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ya I just realized my receiver doesn't do optical apparently, unless im not seeing it in the plethora of connections
lol fuckin derp, I found em, they're hidden pretty well. So is optical a good sound and does it do dolby 5.1 and all that? Keep in mind I'm new to this pro audio shit. I usually do high end pc speakers + sound card lol
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| Posted: Fri, 20th May 2011 09:00 Post subject: |
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| SpykeZ wrote: | ya I just realized my receiver doesn't do optical apparently, unless im not seeing it in the plethora of connections
lol fuckin derp, I found em, they're hidden pretty well. So is optical a good sound and does it do dolby 5.1 and all that? Keep in mind I'm new to this pro audio shit. I usually do high end pc speakers + sound card lol |
Yeah you will have Dolby 5.1 with optical. You just wont be able to get hd audio from it.
Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one
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| Posted: Fri, 20th May 2011 09:08 Post subject: |
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is there much of a difference? I'm mostly worried about bluray quality.
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| Posted: Fri, 20th May 2011 16:47 Post subject: |
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Blurays and BluRay rips (mkv files) are mostly DTS encoded. Aside form the Dolby Digital, the optical connection should support the usual DTS (if I am not mistaken), which is the one .mkv BR rips usually use, but wouldn't work with DTS-HD and the likes which are used by BluRay discs. The difference between DTS and DTS-HD shouldn't be noticeable, unless perhaps you pump up the volume and listen really hard (a damn good setup is also needed, mainly on the speaker side).
Again, no multi-channel PCM also means no surround gaming.
As for using it, you just set your S/PDIF as a default playback device like you did with Ati HDMI. Also, a general tip: you should set the option on whatever player you use for movies to pass the DTS and Dolby signals through unaltered (by default they just get decoded by the player's codecs and get sent out as PCM). That way you will leave all the decoding to the better equipped for that job receiver. And again, since S/PDIF only supports 2-channel PCM, this might be the only option to get surround, but I don't really have experience in this particular case - I stick with the HDMI.
Another solution for using HDMI is to get an active DVI-DisplayPort adapter and use it to connect the monitor, that way you can use 2 screens and a receiver via the HDMI at the same time. The problem is, the receiver will still have a screen as far as the OS is concerned, so you might have some stuff find its way onto a desktop you can't see
All in all, an optical out is less of a hassle to use, since going via the HDMI route you will either have the aforementioned invisible desktop, or a passthrough to your monitor, which may cause some annoying refreshes when you switch it on or off - the screens get reinitialised for me, when I switch on my HDTV for example (the screen flashes on and off a couple of times), but this might work differently for monitors.
However HDMI has more bandwidth, so it supports more audio formats.
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| Posted: Fri, 20th May 2011 19:39 Post subject: |
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So why can I do display port dvi and hdmi and have it work but not 2 dvi and hdmi??
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| Posted: Fri, 20th May 2011 21:35 Post subject: |
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These are the hardware limitations that are in place. DVI and HDMI require each its own clock signal to work, while DisplayPort needs just one for any number of outputs. The card has just the two dedicated ones... using a third DVI or HDMI output would need a third clock signal, which the GPU doesn't have.
DisplayPort allows to avoid this limitation, which is the basis for the Ati's Eyefinity technology. Even "just" three screens per GPU is a relatively new feature (for typical home PC multimedia/gaming GPUs) available only since the Ati's 5000 series cards. As far as I know, Nvidia still needs a second GPU to make a 3rd screen work, making this a sort of ATI/AMD exclusive for now
Note, if you go that way, to make this work with DVI, the adapter has to be active, not passive. They cost quite a bit more too and I didn't even find any sold locally over here back when I was looking into it.
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| Posted: Fri, 20th May 2011 22:04 Post subject: |
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Oh thered a ton of those adapters here, ill look into it. Thank you so much for the help Sapphire sells one for 25 bucks
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| Posted: Sat, 21st May 2011 11:15 Post subject: |
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New problem, since hooking up the receiver, Total Media and media player classic won't work.
Arcsoft won't put out any video period and MPC won't give out any sound.
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